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magoo (Magoo)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 11:56 pm: | |
Thomas MD, Welcome to the group. It sounds like you are sold on the car you just bought. That's half the battle already. Let us know when you find your 12 cyl. garage queen. Good luck and don't be a stranger to the Ferrari Chat Line. Magoo |
thomas pallan, M.D. (Doctp12)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 11:08 pm: | |
hi ....just bought a '90 mondiale T with 24,000 miles ...needs the 30,000 major service. This car drives fast , rock solid, lots of fun and I can put my two young kids in the back {ages 11 and 6}. I agree , I'll pick my mechanic for the major service and know that it will be done correctly. This car was meant to be driven hard; it is stable' very fast and bulletproof. In a perfect world, you really need two cars ..... a driver such as this and an older 12 cylinder garage queen. |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 3:48 pm: | |
I bought mats the day I picked up my car, figuring they would improve the looks of the interior until I got new carpet. Now that I have the mats, I'm not so sure I need the new carpet. I have a tan interior but bought black mats, and they tie in great with the black on the dash. I'd suggest buy the mats first, then see if you still want to buy the carpet. |
David Harris (Dakharris)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 12:19 pm: | |
I recommend you order floor mats at the same time. I have a horse logo that matches my body color. For your car, black mats with a red or yellow logo would look great. You'll need 4 (most companies want to sell just the front)No logos in back. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 9:19 am: | |
John, great looking car. How much did it set you back ? |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 8:47 am: | |
JMG -- two other F carpet sources I've noted:
http://www.gahh.com/Ferrari.html
http://www.vcnet.com/worlduph/ferrari.htm
(My guess would be that one of these is the "source" for ICP -- but I don't know that for sure.)
PS I just love those rubber mat diagrams on the World Upholstery site!
PPS Shouldn't this be under a new subject? |
Krister Ripstrand (Krister)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 1:47 am: | |
Congratulations, nice, a flow of superlatives, etc etc, the Mondial t in black and tan is imho the most beautiful combination, even though I have an (all) red and black combination.
You wont be dissapointed /Krister |
John Michael Gross (Jmg)
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2001 - 12:58 am: | |
Thanks all...last question for the day. I am looking to replace the carpet. (Well, the wear and tear had to go somewhere.) Anyone picked up complete kits from folks other than ItalianCarParts? |
Martin (Miami348ts)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 9:51 pm: | |
You can not tell the mileage of that picture. She looks like out of the showroom.
Congratulations |
Allen S. (Allen)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 8:32 pm: | |
That Black/Tan Mondial t Cab looks great! Congratulations John. Stay in touch. |
Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 8:22 pm: | |
John, congratulations! It is beautiful. 1300 miles without a problem is a great sign.
Anthony |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 7:35 pm: | |
John, it looks beautiful! Congrats.
I did what David Harris mentioned, got my GT4 for pennies and did a rebuild myself. I'm way ahead of the game. |
David Harris (Dakharris)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 7:21 pm: | |
She looks like a beauty. If you drove her 1300 mi without mishap, it's a great car. Take good care of her. |
John Michael Gross (Jmg)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 6:49 pm: | |
Well, I started the thread so I thought I would drop in to give everyone an update...went for the higher mileage (and it was documented service...somehow we got off that). Drove it 1300 miles back from CA to WA and didn't pick up a ticket. Probably should have somewhere...guess Enzo was looking out for me!
- JMG |
Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 1:45 pm: | |
I am not too sure I would go all the way to a fully undocumented car but the make sure you do it yourself maintenance I agree with. I have a service for a 15K from an authorized ferrari dealer but even though inspections show the car excellent mechanically-- there is no way of telling what was really done. There is a lot of faith here even with service records. The piece of mind with the service record in hand helps but thats just piece of mind its not a fact that can be proven. I am pesonally looking forward to the 30K to get in there and make sure everything is done the up to standard.- Based on the records they probably are but until you open up and drop the engine -- who knows for sure.
The compromise I would go for in your case is a higher mileage car (25K or higher) with records that needs the 30K inspection. Get it thoroughly inspected big time and verify it is as stated. Then do the 30K yourself and you at least know what you got from the beginning.
Discount the car, as compared to a serviced car, $4-5,000 for the service and see what else you find (not service related) in the inspection.
My 2 cents. But I would leave the fully undocumented cars to the professionals who know these cars inside out. |
TomD (Tifosi)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 1:26 pm: | |
I agree, many times you can tell whether the mechanicals have been mantained by the overall cosmetic condition (not to be subsituted for an inspection by a mechanic) - i.e if they took the time to wax it, keep dents and scratches off it, they probabled serviced it too. I have also found after you purchase the car you can recreate some of the service history by contacting previous owners and service shops. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 1:11 pm: | |
I am beginning to agree with David. Buy the undocumented car at a discount and then have any needed service done at a facility of your choosing. |
David Harris (Dakharris)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 12:57 pm: | |
I recommend buying a car with NO service records at a deep discount. Then you have the car serviced and you know it's been done right. Check many of the threads on this site. There is one where a Factory Authorized Ferrari Dealer sold a car that apparently had not been serviced as represented. The only way to be sure that the car is in good mechanical shape is to do it yourself. |
Anthony Acunzo (Yank05)
| | Posted on Monday, October 08, 2001 - 11:03 am: | |
John,
I am looking for my first Ferrari also and have been told by many mechanics to get a car that has been well cared for, which not only means servicing, washing, waxing, etc., but DRIVING it too. Go for the higher mileage car if it was well serviced. I am in a similar situation right now with a 308. The car is very original and beautiful, has all records and manuals, but only has 20K with the ORIGINAL tires. This really means even when the car is driven, it is probably driven very lightly. So, I think it is time for me to move on. What do other members think about this? Is the "original tires" feature the writing on the wall? That is how I am interpreting it.
Thank You,
Anthony |
Martin (Miami348ts)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 7:53 pm: | |
Don't look for mileage, look for service records. If all the service was done correctly you will have nothing to fear...but fear itself (When the engine roars) |
Martin (Miami348ts)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 7:52 pm: | |
So my question is how much is too much mileage?
The answer is 200.000 Miles with no service done yet.
If you can get the car with 199.000 you are okay.
50,000 on a 10+ year old car is a mere 5,000 per year. If they are documented, who cares. I put 8K on my car every year and the car loves it.
And a 50K mile car can be as well klept as the 5K mile ca´r that was "pampered" in the garage. And I do not believe low mileage statements either. |
Christiank (Christiank)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 7:06 pm: | |
Steve:
My experience shows that it is much more important that you have a car with less problems. Cost= Purchase price - selling price + maintenance and repair costs.
Christian |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 5:01 pm: | |
JMG -- I think I made a mistake assuming '89 from Mitchel's message (but I'd still stand by the flavor of my message) |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 3:33 pm: | |
JMG -- I have a little different perspective on your question. IMHO, there is no mileage that is too much mileage, only prices that are too high for a given mileage (or age). I'd agree with the others that a well-maintained 50K mile car will probably run just fine to 70-80-90K miles (BTDT), but keep in mind that for resale you'll need to motivate the next buyer with an even lower price. Mr. Sheehan took quite a tongue lashing when he suggested a 60K mile TR was practically �unsellable� (a virtual $35K parts car), but I think he�s more right than wrong. As for the 15K mile car, it�s still 12+ years old so unless it�s had a lot of non-mileage based service, you�re still at risk of needing some restoration work (e.g., I�ll bet it probably still has the original brake fluid in it). My bottom line � both are complex old cars with significant service cost risks so the price should be low for the 15K mile car and very low for the 50K mile car (but either can be a good value at the right price) - JMHO. |
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
| | Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 7:36 am: | |
John,
The Mondial t is a wonderful car! It has a usable back seat like the GT4 has, and is fast and pleasantly reliable. I have always had a place in my heart for the 2+2 Ferraris. The longer wheelbase of the Mondial offers a very nice smooth ride. I advise people to buy Ferraris that have miles on them. Garage queens sure do look nice, but you are buying a Ferrari to drive the heck out of it. If you start driving a garage queen, you WILL have problems. Trust me. A car that has been driven has most likely had most of the little niggling problems ironed out, and hopefully has had all of its services done. I love to see Ferraris being driven. I drove mine for over an hour yesterday on some mountain back roads near my house. I swear to you it is my therapy. The Mondial 3.2 and Mondial Ts are the most desireable. My favorite is the 89 Mondial T coupe with a sunroof and adjustable suspension. Yummy. My friend just got an 88 Mondial 3.2 coupe in silver over blue, and it is absolutely gorgeous!! If I can be of any assistance, please contact me.
Mitchel |
Jim E (Jimpo1)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 9:21 pm: | |
When you get it you're going to want to drive it. Parking it is next to impossible! With the low mileage car, you'll feel guilty every mile, but in the higher mileage car, you won't care. I say get the well documented high mileage car and drive the hell out of it! |
Christiank (Christiank)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 5:58 pm: | |
It's an older car anyway. My experience is that higher mileage cars are better cars with less problems and better cared for. |
John Michael Gross (Jmg)
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 5:52 pm: | |
I have myself in a bind...looking for my first Ferrari. Found the year/color that I want but high mileage (>50K) - albeit with full service records. Found the mileage that I want (<15k), wrong color (second-choice). Admittedly, life is full of tough choices.
So my question is how much is too much mileage? I don't have any problems mentally with it since I am going to drive it quite a bit but I am worried that I could be missing out on the best miles of the car for the sake of living with my color. I went into this search with an open mind on price, so the diff between these is notable but not driving the decision.
Thanks,
JMG |
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