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| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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My Mondial QV has all Chevy (GM) Engine management systems. This has made it definitly quicker, but more reliable? I'm not so sure. The QV's are all very reliable. The basic 308 QVls are bullit proof, as long as you take care of the cam clearances, cam timing belts and cam timing bearings. All of which can be done with the engine in the car. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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If you put a Chevy engine into a 308 it would make it reliable. I'd take a nice exhaust note and high revs over reliability any day though. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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LOL..... | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Dave that cracks me up!!!!! Sounds like the Drew Carey Show. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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No, but if you put a Chevy engine into a 308 that would make it a pig! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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I was first thinking well that would make it a Chevy because it is the heart that counts, but then I thought about the improvements in Heart transplants. They implant pig hearts into humans now, does that make us a pig? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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There was somebody that put a Chevy engine into a real 308. What would that be considered? ...except stupid! | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Martin are you talking about the 288 Evoluzione which was the concept leading up to the F40, it is indeed an ugly car if you are? Today I went by WWoC and they had a Michelotto F40 that they raced in 1996. Talk about the ultimate track car. You could actually track it too because unlike the F50 GT1 there are a couple of them around. Note to self, find out how to get Michelotto F40, legally. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
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I HATE ANY FERRARI'S WITH GM POWER.......I hate camaro's, firebirds or corvettes with the prancing horse or Ferrari script... And I especially hate stretched out, over exhaust toned Fiero,s who think they are worth the price of the real deal, just because they are an exact repro...........kinda like wearing a fake Rolex........ | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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F-40 Evolution...what an ugly thing from the front, nice from the back though. Front looks like a Dodge Shadow | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Ferrari-Replica? Like Pretty-Ugly, Tax-Savings, Government-Intelligence, or another oxymoron, I saw one on ebay (Fiero of course) The guy claimed, "Real fiberglass panels from Ferrari, and Ferrari had to stop makeing them because they were too much like the real 308." Well, I emailed him and he got so beligerent that I almost died laughing. (too funny) He believed it was such a good deal too, only $15,000 no reserve. (I made a point of mentioning that he "0" bidders, and asked why he had put that much $ into a Fiero.) | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I have to agree on the Ferrari replicas. I can't tell you how many I have seen that say exact replica and they don't even look close on the outside then you look at the inside and I think to myself "who are they trying to kid. I saw one fiero made into and F50. Yikes!! | ||
| Sandra Cairncross (Sandrac)
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Well, this one is not a bit difficult...I have to say I just can't see the 1956 Superfast ever gracing the garage at my house! Remember? It was the one with the Cadillac style fins? EEUUUWWW! Now the 500 Superfast is a totally different story  ! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Martin, A Vanquish IS a Ford. In fact, the V-12 in the Vanquish is two Ford V6s sharing the same crank. | ||
| William_Huber (Solipsist)
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I never expected so many of you to answer. I feel I may have almost started a riot! I one thing I want to add is people that convert a Fiero into a 288,308,328,355 etc.. Just stop it!!!! That will never be a Ferrari, even as a good fake. So cut the mullet (you know who you are!) & go mess up a nitro burnin' funny Yugo instead. | ||
| Christiank (Christiank)
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Just kidding. Ferrari quality is much better than Fiat (Oops). | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
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NOOOOOO Christian and Frank.Ferrari's are not Fiat's! Yes Fiat owns Ferrari.And by that logic is the new Aston Martin Vanquish a Ford? I don't think so. I do agree that there are some nice Fiats (I mean Ferrari's) out there. | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
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Yes, the debut issue of Automobile did a comparo between the MR2 Supercharged and the 308 (or 328?). A later issue did one between the MR2 Turbo and the 348. Most magazines had the RX7 doing the 0-60 sprint in 5.0 - 5.5 secs, which is very fast. All these Japanese cars would achieve about 400HP without too much trouble (ie chip, exhaust, and filter) and become seriously fast. The last generation RX7 has to be one of the best designs ever for a sports car, still looks good today, a boast not too many sports cars can give ten years after introduced. Not too crazy about the engine though, very fragile when modded. Ernesto | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Willis, if my memory serves me correct the last generation RX7 did 0-60mph in 4.4 sec. stock. If you chipped the turbo it was even faster. All for less than $30,000.00 ! I saw a lot of people wreck theirs at Road Atlanta track days when the turbo would kick in mid turn 12. They were fast but looked like a 360. Ha Ha | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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I always liked the Mondial and especially the 308 GT/4, the GT/4 being my original purchase choice, but ended up with a 308 GTSi - Many moons ago I lost a chance at a '62 250GT for $5500 because no bank would float a loan! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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FRANK......LOL Kraut Car....I love it. Kraut gives you gas. Here is an alternative to fosil fuel problems.... awesome! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Frank, I know the RX7 was quick. But quicker than a Modena from 0-60? What is the RX7's 0-60 number, anyway? | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I think the comparison was the MR2 vs 308 not 348. I have a copy of the magizine. Unless they did a later comparison to the 348? | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
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You can't call the last generation Mazda Rx-7 a rice burner!! That was/is one great car. True, you can turn the RX-7 into a rice burner, as Willis said, but in stock form it is just one awesome car - as are the Japanese Supra TT, 300ZX TT, and NSX. I, for one, think that Ferrari can learn A LOT from these japanese companies in terms of realiability, styling, performance, and quality. Compare any of these four cars to the entry-level Ferrari at the time, the 348, and you will change your mind very quickly. With the 360 Ferrari took a major step up in almost every aspect, so that is no longer as issue, but in the early 90's Ferrari was not up to spec when compared to these japanese GT's. It was almost embarrasing to pull up at a stop light and know that the Z-Car next to you could easily take you. Ernesto | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Willis, the RX7 was a great sports car and faster than the 360 I believe from 0-60mph. It you will put a picture of the RX7 and 360 side by side they do look similar in shape. After all, they were both designed in the wind tunnel. I have always thought that any Japanese car was a rice burner, German cars were kraut cars, English cars were limey machines and our beloved Ferraris were whop sleds. But, I guess those terms are not political correct. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Frank, You mentioned that you used to own a Viper GTS. Why do you hate it? I really like to know because I'm curious about Vipers (especially that behemoth engine). | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Oh boy, the ol' Ferrari is a Fiat debate. Yes, Fiat owns Ferrari. So what! It doesn't make any one think twice of desiring or owning a Ferrari, does it? You could make the same argument for Porsche and Volkswagen too. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Frank, The last Mazda RX7 was a pretty decent sports car. In its stock form, I don't consider the RX7 a "rice burner". Yes, the RX7 was curvy but it looked nothing like a Modena. I think we need to define what a rice burner is. My definition is any car (domestic, asian, or european) that have nonfunctional, oversized rear wing, slammed suspension with oversized chrome wheels, coffee can exhaust, etc. Just check any Rice Boy websites and see what I mean. Hey, I like all those Ferraris you listed too! A few more that I like: 288 GTO, F40, F50, and Dino 246 GTS. | ||
| Charles Gault (Knox_Charles)
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With the use of wind tunnals and CAD, the most efficient envelope for a two seat mid-engine sports car will come out the same, whether Ferrari or Mazda cranks in the numbers. It is a real challenge for the stylist to create a seperate identity. I like the 360, but it is better appreciated in motion rather than in photos. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Come on guys, can't we like the looks of different cars without being so huffy. I don't like the looks of a lot of cars out there from Mercedes to Chevrolets. But I understand some people think the same cars look great. My wife hates the way my 2000 BMW M5 looks. She says it looks to boxy. I love the way it looks. I had a 1998 Viper GTS and grew to hate it over 25,000 miles of use. A lot of you out there don't like the way a 348 looks though I think they look great particularly the spider. And Martin, there are a lot of good looking Fiats out there too. In fact, aren't all Ferrari's in fact Fiats ? Fiat owns Ferrari all but the F1 team. Fiat is to Ferrari as GM is to Chevrolet. | ||
| Christiank (Christiank)
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Martin: The 360 is bascially a Fiat, like all new Ferrari, Ferrari is just a brand name. Christian | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
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After reading comments by Frank and Christiank I now hate my 360 and will trade it in for a fiat.It is soooooooooo ugly! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Willis, take a look at the last generation of the Mazda RX7. By the way, I don't "dislike" the 360, I just don't like the way it looks. I would just prefer a 550, 456,355,348,328,308,Mondial,512,TR,365GTB4,365GTC,330GTS,330GTC,275,250 or 166 instead. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Frank, The Modena look nothing like any rice burner that I've seen. | ||
| Christiank (Christiank)
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Frank: Tough statement. When I saw the 360 first at the dealership in Vancouver I did not like it. It/s so small and reminds me of the Fiat Coupe (nice car though, has 220 HP with turbo and goes 155 mph). The performance is superior but I would take a 550 and a 456 before a 360 anytime. I like the 456 a lot, eventhough it/s a 2+2. OK, I am just jealous. Christian | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
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As most people on this list, there are really no Ferraris that I DON'T like or hate. The ones I like the least have always been the Mondial and 348, but every time I see a Mondial in person I can't help but like it and just stare at it. The 348 I have never gotten used to, it just never fit the 308/328 lineage in my opinion from a styling point of view. And although performance is better than the 308 and 328, it was not considered a breakthrough performer for its time. I still rememeber the MR2 - 348 comparison test on Automobile Magazine. That would never happen today because the Ferrari's perforance is so far above from most everyday cars. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Different opinions of beauty are what makes the world go around I suppose. But I saw several in person last week in Indy and I still don't like them. I think it is the front end and side view that looks like a rice burner that turns me off to it's look. I do like the way they look from the rear though. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Sorry, Frank. I didn't pay more than MSRP for my Modena and I think it looks fantastic in person. There are no bad looking Ferraris IMHO. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Not wanting to upset all you guys who paid more than MSRP for your car , but IMHO the 360 is the ugliest design from Pinninfarina/Ferrari since the 365GT4 2+2. I just don't like their looks although I acknowledge their superior performance to almost everything else out there. Give me a 550 any day of the week. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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There is no Ferrari I do not like. I like every car they did, even the 250 GTE, Modulo, all Mondials, I absolutely LOVE GT4s. If you never driven a GT4, you would be floored at how great a car they are. I was going to buy a GT4 or a Porsche 911 Turbo, until my metallic black 308 QV caught my eye.....I've never looked back man! I LOVE FERRARIS. All of 'em. Mitchel | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Hey Guys, They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. To prove it click on to Peters' Profile and look at that GT4 black beauty. It is Ferrari all the way. Peter as far as I'm concerned, you got a winner. MAGOO | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Thanks Adam. My car looks so much better in all-black with the red interior. Believe me, I'm no fan of the Boxer paint schemes, that never did the car justice (doesn't even look good on the Boxer itself). | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
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Peter; I was not always a fan of the GT4, but yours looks fantastic. You did wonderful work on it. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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That's okay about not liking the GT4. Since its not recognised as a Ferrari amongst the general public, they don't bother me much when I'm out driving it (I do get asked questions, but very rarely). But they sure do get the hell out of the way when I come up lightning-fast behind them on the road! I don't mind that there are a majority of people out there that don't like certain Ferraris. It keeps them affordable for people like me J. As much as I love my GT4, I'd love to get a 365 GT4 2+2 or the 400. Either one, as long as its carb'd. A carbureted V-12 Ferrari wrapped in Pinninfarina clothing... all the right ingredients... | ||
| Christiank (Christiank)
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I think the dress up makes a lot difference. For example I think the TR does look good, but much better with the bottom painted in the same color as the car. My Mondial looks great with the 17 inch rims and the 225/245 tires. I don't give too much about originality. I grew up in Germany and the aftermarket business is huge there. Everybody is modifying their cars. Even my mother (turning 70 next year) wants 17 or 18 inch wheels for her new BMW 320 turbodiesel. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I just plain old hate cars, they torment me. It's some sort of satomasichistic (not up on my kinky words, excuse the spelling) relationship. I get like a dozen magazines a month, I wash the Ferrari like everytime I drive it. I have my services all planned out like 2000 miles before I need to do them. I love cars. The only "bad" Ferraris I can think of are two concepts (308 Rainbow, and that pointy thing from the 70s, not the mythos, it was recreated just recently with parts left over from the original...). Personally the 400/412 and the Mondial never grew on me, but when I see them in person I still like them. I don't think any Ferrari is bad in person. | ||
| William_Huber (Solipsist)
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You guys rule!!!! Thanks for the comments & keep them coming! | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
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I hate all Ferraris that I can't afford at the moment. This helps me sleep easier. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Hey Todd, do you know Bill Clinton personally -- that's how he would answer the question. Evade the question, yet answer it on his own terms anyway. | ||
| Todd Arnold (Exoticars)
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Easier to answer this way......... Only like F50, 360, 550, 355, the 348 (a little) and, of course, the classic Dinos, etc... | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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I ditto William's comment. Plus its like a spouse -- beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Best leave that alone. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Yes, there r a few that r sort of homely or slow. I'd rather not disclose though so as not to pee on anyone's parade | ||
| William_Huber (Solipsist)
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Is there a Ferrari that You don't like? The only one that was not my favorite is the 308gt4 & early 308 Mondial coupe. Sorry, the style never grew on me. I'm sure some of you must have a opinion. No offense to owners of 308gt4s or early mondials. |