| Author | Message | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
Junior Member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 114 Registered: 4-2003 |
Probably something like this... http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/122446/122446a.html And spend the rest on a proper track day car.  | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 902 Registered: 4-2003 |
JRV, Jim, >>Mr. G., you also reminded me that in those days if your Ferrari didn't have 65K miles on it no one would buy it!!!!!! because it was immedialy assumed any car couldn't be driven with out breaking, so it must be a nightmare car, if it only had a few thousand miles on it.... low miles used to be a Big Red Flag...my how times & owners & perceptions have changed. << I think the same way. Vincent | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 603 Registered: 6-2002 |
Immaculate 288 GTO replica on a streatched 308 frame, with a drivetrain from an F40! Best! Ben. | ||
| Ansgar Sch�rmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 228 Registered: 6-2002 |
I know 2 288 GTO available near my hometown: This one for 220k Euros (without german taxes): http://www.mobile.de/SIDUmYJbTD6zaV.16Qtioi41w-t-vaNexlCsAsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB10LsearchPublicJ1058942275A1LsearchPublicCCarW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A2e-t-vMkMoSm_xsO~BSRA5D8600C288C288A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&id=11111111113359904&top=1& This one for 285k Euros: http://www.mobile.de/SIDUmYJbTD6zaV.16Qtioi41w-t-vaNexlCsAsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB10LsearchPublicJ1058942275A1LsearchPublicCCarW-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20A2e-t-vMkMoSm_xsO~BSRA5D8600C288C288A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&id=11111111118761095&top=2& F40 are available from 212k Euro for a 1990 with 48k kilometers to 319k for a garage queen with 718 kilometers, this is a race car with 625 hp for 224k Euro (without german taxes): http://www.mobile.de/SIDOv6J2mu7dj4cw9GL4w7KLg-t-vaNexlCsAsK%F3P%F3R~BmSB10LsearchPublicJ1058942426A1LsearchPublicCCarX-t-vctpLtt~BmPA1A1B20B28e-t-vMkMoSm_xsO~BSRA5D8600CF40CF40A0A0/cgi-bin/da.pl?bereich=pkw&id=11111111116865377&top=20& Do not forget the 550 Barchettas, price range here in germany from 189k Euro (4500 kilometer) to 259k Euro for a new car. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 869 Registered: 4-2003 |
The F40 is averaging $250K in Europa at the moment. That will not buy you a 400-miles-on-the-clock garage queen but one with some 25K miles. There are currently some 20 F40's for sale in Europe so some bargening might drive the price down even further. A 288 GTO will set you back some 300K$ and there are currently at least 8 available. Jack | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2152 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bruce, got it. Thanks! Response is on its way. | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 273 Registered: 8-2002 |
it all depends on whether resale is a factor or not. at $250k, an f40 is a bargain, but why would it be so cheap today? the 275gtb six carb is te best bang for the buck... they are a great car and can outperform many cars of that era, yet they are a classic. overall, an f40 performs more, but which is likely to appreciate faster? the 275gtb, hands down. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2426 Registered: 4-2002 |
WAYNE GET MY EMAIL?? BRUCE | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2151 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bill, I don't recall seeing any specific S1 PF Cabs selling recently, but it seems that they should be changing hands in the $500K to $600K range. Possibly I'm wrong? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2109 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2032 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I drove my 275 GTB 2 alloy long nose 6 carb for 65,000 miles with out a problem. Bought it for 6K sold it for 14K thought I did great... << Mr. G., you also reminded me that in those days if your Ferrari didn't have 65K miles on it no one would buy it!!!!!! because it was immedialy assumed any car couldn't be driven with out breaking, so it must be a nightmare car, if it only had a few thousand miles on it.... low miles used to be a Big Red Flag...my how times & owners & perceptions have changed. ;-) You're story about syncros in the suitcase reminds me of an experience, roughly 18-20 yrs ago I was doing a BB512 engine and no one in the US had any new connecting rods, one of my clients bought a set in Switzerland and brought them back in his suitcase for me...lol. Now they just back order everything & we find out 20 yrs later the parts were availible all along, FNA was only sandbagging, just waiting so they could all be sold to us by Ferrari UK. { } | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1505 Registered: 12-2001 |
L Wayne: Not to be a stick in the eye, but i thought series ones were trading even higher these days? Do you know? Its one of my favorites too, given that the price of the LWB Cal. Spyder, and the Tour de France are really out of reach. The pf 1 cab. at West Point was gorgeous. | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2003 |
This was the question. Let's say you have 250K dollars to buy only ONE F-car, which one would you buy ? It does not say A US model does it? What about the people on this site that don't live here in the US? All that I am saying is you can get an F40 or 288GTO for 250k | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2108 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV In those days in the winter I used a very high tech piece of cardboard to help it get up to operating temp. It smoked a bit but new valve guides helped. Alberto brought me new 2'nd gear syncro's back in his luggage when he went home to visit his Mom. Tune ups? Run it up to 7500 in fifth for a bit. After a few moments the flames and black soot would blast out and she'd be ready to run. Best Jim | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6162 Registered: 8-2002 |
288 GTO 272 260,000-340,000 | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6161 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tyson, is there a gas leak at your house? THESE ARE EUROPEAN CARS AND PRICES. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2107 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dale Luck of the Russian's. That's where my ancestor's came from. Best | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2003 |
This car sold for 223k.  | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2003 |
This car sold for 180,057 in Gstaad.  | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6160 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tyson, They are all Euro cars, hence the NON-USD price. Also, Where is there a 84 288? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4228 Registered: 9-2001 |
maybe in europe? | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 159 Registered: 6-2003 |
Sorry my links won't work it was from Sportscar market there are several 288 GTO's that sold at auctions for well under 250k and the same with F40's. | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 158 Registered: 6-2003 |
"The Don" This is for you. http://www.sportscarmarket.com/db/results.php http://www.sportscarmarket.com/db/results.php and 288 GTO's were made from 84-86 | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2150 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bill, thanks for catching that! I did mean to type "Series II." Now corrected. BTW, the Series I PF Cab is one of my favorite Ferraris of all time, however, $250K would only get me halfway there! | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 205 Registered: 4-2003 |
>>I drove my 275 GTB 2 alloy long nose 6 carb for 65,000 miles with out a problem.<< Ah, James, the luck of the.. wait a minute... Glickenhaus can't be Irish. The luck of the Germans? Didn't know that Germans needed any luck. I thought that they made their own, ha! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2031 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>I drove my 275 GTB 2 alloy long nose 6 carb for 65,000 miles with out a problem.<< Ahhhh yeeeaaaaaa!!!! Those were the days. When Ferraris really were rock solid & reliable...the days before electronic gadgetry caused cars to take a turn towards less trouble free driving. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2105 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dale I drove my 275 GTB 2 alloy long nose 6 carb for 65,000 miles with out a problem. Bought it for 6K sold it for 14K thought I did great... Wayne These are interesting times. Great cars are selling at lower prices. Asking $ is much higher than real sales. 250K would come closer than you might think. Best | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2742 Registered: 9-2001 |
Depends on what you want to do with the car ? As a trophy car, I would go with the 288GTO. For a track car, I would go with the F40. For a regular to daily driver, the 575M can't be beat IMHO. | ||
| Dave (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 549 Registered: 4-2001 |
Invest the 250K in a time machine... You know the rest. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5281 Registered: 5-2001 |
Okay guys! You can find a nice 288GTO for $250K any day in Europe. Sicne they are very limited production number cars and classics for that matter you can import them under the exception of DOT and EPA, meaning you do not have to convert and that means your car will be just what you paid over there. So the answer is YES, you can buy a $250,000 GTO! As for the F40, there are some examples out there in that price range. They are used and driven (thank God)and trade for $250K low to $280-K high for USED! F40s. Of course you can buy the 500 Mile garage queen for $ 325K. My choice would be the F40! I would try to buy Rolands car | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1504 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hey, L. Wayne, I agree that 4 cam 275s are overbudget, but frankly, so are pf series one cabs. For my money (and you can buy one of these for 250 k dollars in good condition), it would have to be a 330gts. PS. Did you mean a series 2 cab? And, JRV beat me on the choice of a 330gts. Yes, indeed. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2029 Registered: 11-2002 |
.>>the last time I checked, $250K would get you a pretty ratty example of a 4-cam 275. It will, on the other hand, get you a nice 2-cam 275 or 330/365 GTS.<, I was wondering about that... But I believe it would get a Fine 275 2cam 6C Alloy Long Nose...which is everybit as fast as a 4cam imo. And must tell you a 330GTS is a damn sweet car. [ ] | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 203 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hey, 250, 350, whose counting? Actually, when I was in Scottsdale for the B-J auction, I think at least one GT40 went for around $350 or so. Reggie Jackson's F-40 was a no sale at $300k. My point is that at this money, I'd take a serious look at non F-cars, for a coupe anyway. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6139 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jason,
would shipping and conversion would make that car a 300K car? The three I have seen in the US have been 275K-350K (depending upon milage) | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 513 Registered: 4-2002 |
if i can get a F40 for 250K then i will take it | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 342 Registered: 4-2003 |
F40 or blue 360 Stradale. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 437 Registered: 3-2001 |
James, I'm with you on this....275GTB-4, my favourite Ferrari (well the NART or Stramann spider is, but not attainable any time soon). Matt, You can just about get a 288 for $250,000, the one at my old dealer in the UK was $265,000. Agree on the F40...not going to happen at that money | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1726 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dale, I followed some advice from a local chat member and looked at GT40s. I asked around a little and I think that 250k will leave you way short. Cheers | ||
| Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
Junior Member Username: Drtax Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2003 |
Well, I'm biased in favor of coupes (too many years riding motorcycles, had enough of bugs, uh, I mean wind in my face) so that knocks out the GTS cars, i.e., 330s and 365s. I absolutely love the looks of the 275 GTBs. Love those shark noses. But I have heard that they can be somewhat temperamental. (Don't leave home without your fire extinguisher.) I actually prefer my 550 over the 575. So I guess maybe the F-40. But, if I was throwing this kind of money around, I'd have to think seriously about a GT-40 or, my all-time favorite sports car, a Porsche 904. I don't have a clue how much the 904s go for. But in my book they are better looking cars than the Ferraris of that period. Of course, I could be wrong...ha! Dale | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2149 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tyson, no problem. You're killing us with that out-of-control link, though! | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 157 Registered: 6-2003 |
Thanks Wayne you saved me some typing. | ||
| Tyson Hall (Trhall)
Junior Member Username: Trhall Post Number: 156 Registered: 6-2003 |
Why is an F40 for 250K unreasonable? After all there are 1261 of them. http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/find/4100_results.asp?sorderby=tblDealers%2EsDealerName&spriceoperator=less&action=simple%5Fsearch&coopid=0&lmanufacturer=10042&lcurrency_currencychangeform=6&next=4100%5Fresults%2Easp&dealerid=0&lseller=1&smilageoperator=less&bsubmit=true&lmodelflag=10226&bclicked=false&ldrive=1&bshowstock=False&lresultsperpage=10&lprice=0&lvat=1&lmilagetype=1&lCarID=1693798 | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2147 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim(s), Mark, and all: I hate to burst your bubble but, the last time I checked, $250K would get you a pretty ratty example of a 4-cam 275. It will, on the other hand, get you a nice 2-cam 275 or 330/365 GTS. It could also buy you a best-in-the-world example of a Lusso, Series II PF Cab, or 275 GTS and leave a little extra in your pocket for maintenence costs, etc. | ||
| Amir H. (355spiderman)
Junior Member Username: 355spiderman Post Number: 131 Registered: 5-2002 |
I would get a 360 Spider for around 200k and spend the rest on Hamman Body Kit,Tubi,And the remaining on service costs. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5652 Registered: 12-2000 |
Yea yea, you guys know I'm smarter than that. I thought about even putting it down and decided not to. This would be a museum/living room piece only, but a dang cool one at that. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 957 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rob: "80's Turbo F-1"? Who is going to fix it, when something goes wrong? If one can be bought for $250K, then you better have another $250K in reserve, for repairs......if not MORE!!!!! Or better yet, hang it on a wall!!!!! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5650 Registered: 12-2000 |
1) 275 2) Lusso 3) 80's Turbo F-1 | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 435 Registered: 12-2002 |
JM Zarka It cost a LOT more to buy a 288 GTO and F40 as THE DON said. With $ 500k perhaps you have more freedom to choose, perhaps one 575M and one 360 spider brand new. You hardly get 575M with $250 incuding tax and registration and insurance since the MSRP can be $245k. Check "Mercato" in Cavalino magazine before asking such funny questions. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2131 Registered: 7-2001 |
3 votes for the 275. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 188 Registered: 4-2002 |
James: Agree....275 GTB-4 | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1191 Registered: 3-2002 |
I figured it was something like that. Thanks Taek. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1724 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jack, I think you'd have to add a zero. Not sure on how the market is on the hyper historic vehicles. Cheers | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2412 Registered: 4-2002 |
MY CHOICE WOULD BE A 360 F1 MODENA SPIDER, AND KEEP THE EXTRA 30K OR SO FOR MAINTENACE AND GOODIES FOR IT.. BRUCE | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1188 Registered: 3-2002 |
What are the original 250 TRs valued now? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1116 Registered: 1-2002 |
crazy horse: re: 16k mile F40 for $250K. I say, get it! Most trade for 300-330k. Th examples with recent service and tubi muffs and cats, go for 330ish range. Then again, mr. G's suggestion, the 275 GTB4, is a very good one indeed. I'd like one in sliver/black, please. | ||
| JM Zarka (Crazy_horse)
Junior Member Username: Crazy_horse Post Number: 54 Registered: 2-2002 |
James, somehow I am not surprised by your choice. What else to expect from someone like you that appreciates fine automobiles.Nice choice. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6134 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well you saw it on the internet, then it must be true. | ||
| JM Zarka (Crazy_horse)
Junior Member Username: Crazy_horse Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2002 |
All due respect Mr. Don but check out Dupontregistry.com F40 for 250K. Granted it has 16000 miles on it. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 993 Registered: 10-2002 |
Put in the extra $50-75k and get a F40. That's my choice. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2101 Registered: 10-2002 |
275GTB-4 | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6130 Registered: 8-2002 |
First off, 250K will not get you a F-40 or a 1985 288 GTO. 288's were made from 1985-86 | ||
| JM Zarka (Crazy_horse)
Junior Member Username: Crazy_horse Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2002 |
Let's say you have 250K dollars to buy only ONE F-car, which one would you buy ? My choice :F-40, 1988 GTO, 575M .I can not make up my mind in terms of first choice. What is yours ? |