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JP Lavigne (Jpl)
Junior Member
Username: Jpl
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 2:15 pm: | |
I am not aware of anyone in Ottawa that would do a proper inspection. It should be taken to Montreal and have the dealer go over it. He may even give you a good rate if you promise him the belt job if you take it. If you can talk Geoff into letting it go to Montreal do that. I know that Geoff takes very good care of his cars, in fact he just had his 250 chassis re-united with its original engine after being in europe for some time (the engine that is). You want to contact Paul Darling at Ferrari of Quebec if you can somehow get the car to Montreal. You should be able to drive down, get in and get home on the same day. I do the drive usually at least twice a year for checkups and regular service. They have also replaced my drop down gears, replaced my belts, brake pads and recent synchro and gear work. The only other person I can think of is the guy who runs Stebro Exhaust, but he knows the Maseratis better than Ferraris. (I can't think of his name) Geoff knows him well. Did you ask Geoff who he would like the PPI done through? I had the grey 308GTB at the Ferrari Parade and yes it was a blast. I have some picture on here in the archives from the event. Good luck. |
SD (Sers)
New member
Username: Sers
Post Number: 9
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 9:39 am: | |
JPl,
You are right. It is Jeff's car. How well do you know the car?? From what I can see, it runs great. Doesn't seem to be any major issues with it. The only concern for me would be the belts and the fact that it sat around for a while (ie. has not been driven much). I suppose I should get the belts done, just to be on the safe side. But, everything else seems OK to me. I would still like to get it checked out.
Anyone know of a good F-car mechanic in Ottawa?
Oh, and I was there for the Ferrari and race car parade in little Italy. Filmed the whole thing. It was quite and event and should get better every year. That F40 was something else!! |
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member
Username: Tspringer
Post Number: 669
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 6:11 pm: | |
This does not sound like a bad car, but it does sound like a car that is going to suck an additional $10K from you over the first 12 months of ownership. Thus, I agree with a value of $22K to $25K.
Do yourself a favor... buy one that someone else has already had everything done on. How do I know this is the better way to go? I have a very nice '77 GTB for sale... Ive put over $8k into in the past year and I do all my own work. Its fully sorted now and in great shape but its been a ton of work. Keep in mind.... I did have a PPI done, it passed with flying colors and is a clean, 2 prior owners with all books/records car. Its very hard to find one that does not need anything! |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 646
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:21 pm: | |
Perhaps Canada is different, but 30K US is too much. You could end up close to 40 when it's all up to date and for that you could buy a very nice QV already serviced and ready to go.
Be patient and willing to travel and you'll find a good car at a fair price.
Dave |
JP Lavigne (Jpl)
Junior Member
Username: Jpl
Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 4:10 pm: | |
SD,
There are lots of Ferrari's in Ottawa, you should have seen all of us at the Ferrari and race car parade last month on Preston. I would guess about a dozen or two in local cars. Most of us go to Toronto or Montreal to the dealer for service. Personally I go to Montreal.
You are most likely talking about Geoffs car. It is a nice one. I have known it for some time...he has a really nice 250 series 2 cabriolet as well. It has been sitting for a little while, I would still recommend a PPI as you never know, but I believe he has most of the documentation on it.
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Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member
Username: Crawford
Post Number: 128
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 3:22 pm: | |
Color? Seats?
I'd say the car would be a fairly safe buy at $22k US; less if the car is not red, black, or (my fav!) yellow.
You could easily have to spend another $10k on the car to get it right. |
Mark (Markg)
Member
Username: Markg
Post Number: 553
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 3:15 pm: | |
SD - what The Don said;
i have an '82, needed belts/clutch/flywheel when I got it. Not cheap |
SD (Sers)
New member
Username: Sers
Post Number: 8
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 3:04 pm: | |
I'm in Ottawa, Canada. Don't know of other F owners in town. There aren't that many F-cars here anyway.
Does anyone here know a good F-car technician in Ottawa?? I wouldn't mind having the car inspected by an independent guy.
He's asking 43K (Cdn). That's about $30K U.S. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5299
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 2:44 pm: | |
the noise could also be a rivit that flew of the vacume on the headers. (Gosh I don't know how to describe that). Can be usually welded and the whinning will disappear. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 1229
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 1:50 pm: | |
All the injected 308's make that whining noise. I think it's the fuel pump. You can make the noise disappear with a Tubi. |
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member
Username: Paulie_b
Post Number: 498
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 1:14 pm: | |
SD, there are some good suggestions here. Follow them. I also would suggest doing the belts; make that first on your list. It could be very costly otherwise. Where do you live? Maybe go to another Ferrari person in the area to have it checked out. Maybe soemone here on FChat lives in your area and has some knowledge. Put the request out there. What is the price? Good luck with the decision. |
Michael C. James (Mjames)
New member
Username: Mjames
Post Number: 45
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:47 pm: | |
What is the price of this vehicle? |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 644
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:37 am: | |
SD,
A 22 year old 308 needing service can drain an account pretty fast. There are always more issues to deal with. Normally it's better to buy a car that is freshly serviced and sorted, even though it's more money upfront. I have ssen original clutches last over 30K, but not many. Even if it's not slipping yet, this is a repair you will probably face in the not too distant future.
You didn't say how much you have to spend, but if you can afford it, the QV is a much better built and performing car for not much more money. In 84, they started rust proofing and 16 wheels which are big plusses as well.
Dave |
Sean F (Agracer)
Member
Username: Agracer
Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:21 am: | |
Timing belts should be done every 5-years (regardless of miles) or 30K miles. I'd factor that service into your price.
It may need some new hoses, etc. since it's been sitting so long. They have a tendancy to rot.
As long as the clutch feels tight you should be OK there. |
"The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member
Username: The_don
Post Number: 6146
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:21 am: | |
quote:- upon accelerating, and even when stepping on the gas while idling, the engine makes a slight whining noise, sort of like if it had a turbo - but it doesn't really make this noise while idling on its own - is this normal?
it's normal. you should hear it about 3,000 rpm
quote:- belts were done, I believe, 4 or 5 years ago, and the car has not been driven very much in the last 5 years - do the belts have to be changed, or are they still good?
change them
quote:
- I don't think the clutch was ever changed on this car - with such low mileage, is this cause for concern?
when it starts to slip, get it changed. They are also adjustable.
quote:- the car has a couple of small rust spots, and the drain holes in the doors have a little bit of rust as well - no big deal, I think - should be an easy fix.
easy fixes.
quote:- the car was being sold by the owners mechanic (owner is away on work) - he didn't have service records with him, but said that he can bring them up on his computer if I want to see them. He said the only thing he changed was the belts, fluids, filters and brakes.
Get them. Have him print them out. Verify the milage with them
Get a independent PPI
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SD (Sers)
New member
Username: Sers
Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 9:09 am: | |
Hey all.
Just want to tell you that I drove my first 308, heck my first Ferrari!!! Man, it was awesome. You can definetely tell you're in a different machine. It's a 1981, with 27,000 miles on it. It's in really good condition - runs great. A couple of points:
- the interior is in really good shape - no rips, cracks, etc.
- all electrics work - fan, rad fans, lights, signals, etc.
- car handles very well - shocks are still strong
- no vibratrion in the steering wheel at speed - car tracks straight and true
- car started right up - ran fine - engine looks clean - doesn't appear to be any leaks
- no vibrations in the brakes
My only concerns:
- upon accelerating, and even when stepping on the gas while idling, the engine makes a slight whining noise, sort of like if it had a turbo - but it doesn't really make this noise while idling on its own - is this normal?
- belts were done, I believe, 4 or 5 years ago, and the car has not been driven very much in the last 5 years - do the belts have to be changed, or are they still good?
- I don't think the clutch was ever changed on this car - with such low mileage, is this cause for concern?
- the car has a couple of small rust spots, and the drain holes in the doors have a little bit of rust as well - no big deal, I think - should be an easy fix.
- the car was being sold by the owners mechanic (owner is away on work) - he didn't have service records with him, but said that he can bring them up on his computer if I want to see them. He said the only thing he changed was the belts, fluids, filters and brakes.
Anyway, the car seems to be nice, except for those concerns listed above. This is the first 308 I've looked at. The mechanic said I can bring the car to his shop to put it on the hoist if I wanted to inspect it some more. Any thoughts on what I said above?
Thanks for your input. |