| Author | Message | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 333 Registered: 12-2002 |
See Below :-) | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 531 Registered: 6-2001 |
Now I am specifically not talking about street cars, where you typically do not drive at 150mph, and the wing is mostly for show, but on the track i believe the 360 Challenge can definitely use more downforce on the rear at speed. The rear gets wiggly sometimes, and i am looking for a wing for the Challenge car. I think Ferrari recognized this by sticking wings on their new GT 360's. Anyone know where I can get a rear wing? I'm trying for a Stradale unit but they are in short supply and only available to a few dealers. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1612 Registered: 10-2002 |
I got mine from ebay as well. Was not painted. Took it to a paint shop to do a chromo check vs the car's existing paint. And yes, Koenig is one place I got the idea from. But I also saw a 328 at Cavallino's in FL with the same wing and loved it. | ||
| Matthew Cooper (Dopplemax)
New member Username: Dopplemax Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2003 |
Andreas, Where did you get your wing? The Ebay one is a Koenig. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 315 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes, Andreas, my taste can be suspect as well. Maybe it has something to do with being in IT?  Enjoy your beers! Luke. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1611 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Lucas! You realize you're in bad company (mine that is). Minority report. I just have a fetish about rear wings. Ever since I saw a Countach I knew somthing was missing and sure enough soon thereafter they offered it with a wing. That wing didn't do the car any good as Mitch rightfully points out. The Countach lost about 13 mph on topspeed. But what it gained in looks was IMHO priceless. BTW: There is an interesting article about the Stradale in the latest issue of Forza and the considerations they went through in how to make it faster in cornering without adding drag (as Mitch points out). They came to the conclusion of the slightly bigger end lip and internal aeros under the car, but no additional wing. Interesting as most Challenge cars (and the Stradale claims to be a street legal version of one) actually do use wings not unlike the black 360 in this thread. Also of course the 360 GT uses a HUGE wing. So Ferrari's claim, that the 360 does not need a wing might be true, *IF* the engine is left stock. But otherwise it seems to need one. Oh, and yes: Mine is purely cosmetic. And it does serve well for placing one's beer at an event. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 314 Registered: 12-2002 |
I like that 308. Your's too, Andreas. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 906 Registered: 4-2002 |
I just wonder how many of these cars with wings have been setup to use the forces the wing produces? In race cars, the wings are carefully tuned so that at low speeds when the wing does nothing the mechanical grip is balanced, and at higher speeds where the wing dominates the performance envelope that the car reamins balanced. Then in the transition zone between mechanical grip and aerodynamic grip, balance must be retained. If you have a balanced car to begin with (remembering this is a Ferrari chat site) and you add a big wing that causes massive understeer at high speed; what have you really gained? If you then trim out that wing to reduce high speed understeer, then why are you draging around the excess weight? and aerodynamic drag? No, all in all, I suspect these contraptions are just placed on the car with no thought whatsoever as to actually using the forces the wing produces. As long as this is the case, a wing is just plain RICE. Lookup "Race Care Aerodymanics: designing for speed" Joseph Katz. and read it! Only the black car with the big ugly wing has the wing positioned in such a way that the wing operates as anything more than an efficient spoiler! All the other cars are hoisting wings for show and not for go. And indeed, if the black car with the big ugly wing had the wing placed andother 12" rearward, that wing would produce more downforce, and the low pressure region would enhance the underbody aerodynamics already existing in the F360. If you are contemplating a wing, and you want the wing to actually function, you need to read the above mentioned book, and adjust your aerodynamic plan accordingly. Otherwise, you are just RICING the car up. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1610 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey, that looks like my car! Better check, whether it is still in the garage. ...and I always thought I was the only one with bad taste. Go figure. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1398 Registered: 3-2001 |
It's not just the ricers who add wings. Here's a 308 with a picnic table added. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2424175650 | ||
| ryan (Ferrari_kid)
New member Username: Ferrari_kid Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2003 |
it's funny, exotics put wings on their cars to add downforce (functional). ricers copy the idea by adding big wings and now small ones but neither of them nearly as functional. now with all the new exotics coming out with aerodynamic body shapes that produce downforce without the needed wings what will those ricers think of next? i think if you're looking to make your 360 or any F-car stand out from the rest, just incase it doesn't enough, then it's ok...to a point. i wish i had these pics with me (i'll look for them), but there was a dude in japan who made his 360 a ricer mobile. he added an F50 style hood, big wing, a whole new body kit, and numerous other aethestically pleasing parts to it. in the end you'd question whether it was a 360 at all. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 309 Registered: 12-2002 |
The US distributor of Imola products is NGTMOTORSPORT.com Luke. | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 535 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jason, Yes they do its www.Dimex-Automotive.de | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 540 Registered: 12-2002 |
Great link Lucas! Thank you! | ||
| Schnelles Fr�ulein (Miss_m_treiber)
Junior Member Username: Miss_m_treiber Post Number: 113 Registered: 4-2003 |
oooo Birdie likes.. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5668 Registered: 12-2000 |
I like them. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 305 Registered: 12-2002 |
Key to the kingdom: http://www.czechferrari.cz/ftuning.html | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 539 Registered: 12-2002 |
Does anyone know if Imola makes a kit for the F355? | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 303 Registered: 12-2002 |
More wings and things:    | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1598 Registered: 10-2002 |
I didn't want to wait that long. I love those wings. Just not crazy about Koenig's and Hamann's rear. I prefer the original. But their wings are cool. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 302 Registered: 12-2002 |
...so its not about the looks or functionality its about separating yourself from the Asian crowd? I think its mostly gaudy, personally, but it does get me excited at some angles. I think the Hamann wing is best. Luke. | ||
| gary green (Minuke)
Junior Member Username: Minuke Post Number: 68 Registered: 7-2003 |
Arthur, You are so right! | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 309 Registered: 3-2003 |
Currently every ricer that you see has some sort of ridiculous discerning wing of some sort............the day that they stop putting wings on them is the day I stick one on my Ferrari! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2143 Registered: 6-2001 |
I think the wings shown are ugly. the 360 doesn't need them, works just fine without them, and by putting them on, makes the car look like a honda. art | ||
| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 68 Registered: 5-2003 |
the black car is very cool. love the wing, Im thinking red with red wing. beautiful | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 301 Registered: 12-2002 |
http://www.ngtmotorsport.com/ | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
Junior Member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 61 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey Jeff..... "Don't need a wing on a street car? As opposed to the multi functional uses for a street Ferrari...." Boy that is a great quote! I always get a kick out of the 4 door Honda sedans that some kid has put a huge wing on to make the car "look sporty". That black 360 reminds me of the same "Rice Boy" mentality. Last year I saw a Mustang GT and the guy had removed what I considered to be a very attractive stock spoiler and added a huge stupid looking wing. I think that if the 360 needed a wing, Ferrari would have put one on it. | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 530 Registered: 10-2002 |
Goto www.dimex-automotive.de, same as the imola racing cars of the 360. I have price list for their conversions. | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 500 Registered: 1-2003 |
these pics are giving me some ideas!!!!! | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 183 Registered: 9-2002 |
Don't need a wing on a street car? As opposed to the multi functional uses for a street Ferrari.... | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
Junior Member Username: Labcars Post Number: 117 Registered: 1-2003 |
Don't care for the wings, but that black car is otherwise REALLY, REALLY hot!!!! | ||
| John (Ferrarifreak)
New member Username: Ferrarifreak Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2003 |
What are the specs of that black 360 Modena? | ||
| todd montandon (Sllade)
Junior Member Username: Sllade Post Number: 136 Registered: 7-2003 |
that thing id flat ass bad to the bone imola yeah!Just made me want to go get a 360.Todd | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 760 Registered: 11-2002 |
I actually like the black cars wing. If you are going to have a wing, have a real wing, don't try and hide it But again no need for street ... Pete | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1122 Registered: 1-2002 |
I saw a hammann 360 in monaco. wasn't too bad, or overly induldged; i don't think the car needs a wing, or more downforce, as a street car. | ||
| Jason W (Pristines4)
Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 535 Registered: 12-2002 |
I love that Imola kit... AND the wing. ;-) | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2314 Registered: 1-2002 |
Ah, the ol' BLING-BLING WING. Yuck!!! Lucan, that lady sure has interesting stockings, eh?  | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2003 |
My educated guess is 19". | ||
| Kuzi (Kzma)
Member Username: Kzma Post Number: 304 Registered: 3-2003 |
Patrik, you know the sizes of the wheels and tires on those 360s? | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2003 |
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| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 128 Registered: 3-2003 |
Number Five is alive! | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 461 Registered: 10-2002 |
Audio tape or the face of the robot from Short Circuit? | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 300 Registered: 12-2002 |
The Koenig and Hamann grilles are ugly, imo. Luke. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1115 Registered: 9-2002 |
Anyone else see an audio tape in the silver Koenig challenge 'grill'? Also, that massive Cavallino Rampante covering on the back of the red coupe is kind of silly. THe black car with wing looks sexy --Dan | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 299 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's the Koenigseder 360, and other than the pictures I have no deatils. I dunno if it was a one-off or if you can buy the kit. Here are the other two pics:   | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Intermediate Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 1194 Registered: 3-2002 |
Lucas, is that just a sun shade covering the rear deck on the last pic? | ||
| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 66 Registered: 5-2003 |
thanks lucas, that black one is stunning. I love it, its just what the car needs. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 298 Registered: 12-2002 |
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| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 297 Registered: 12-2002 |
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| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2003 |
does anyone have a pic of a 360 with a wing. I think it might look good. |