| Author | Message | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 663 Registered: 11-2001 |
More F-1 tranny problems, seems like the newer the car the more problems, no wonder why the 308-328 series are more popular. I never liked the reliability of the electronics in Italian made cars. I don't think I will make plans on getting a new model Ferrari, esp. an F-1 tranny system, it'll probably leak oil too within short time. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2765 Registered: 9-2001 |
For those of you that recall, I used FC posts to get a problem solved with a certain NE dealer a couple of years back. Just start a thread naming the dealer and post your complaint with them. Be honest with what they did wrong. The truth is an absolute defense to libel/slander. Forward the post to them via e-mail and wait. I have my problem solved plus I got a check for my troubles. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 903 Registered: 4-2002 |
"Well, the car lasted a couple of thousand miles before the "new" F1 tranny "needs replacing." " I can't help but think that there is a driving technique involved in this transmission failure rate. | ||
| sevag saghdejian (Yellowferrari)
New member Username: Yellowferrari Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2002 |
Typical Porsche guy. | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 130 Registered: 3-2003 |
"My buddy, who also has an F-car, said I have to take the service manager a "nice gift" because that's what everyone else does to get good service. I could'nt believe my ears and did'nt get the guy anything." Maybe the service manager really is deliberately holding you up. He must be forgetting that you are giving him a very nice gift indeed - YOUR BUSINESS. I agree with Mr. Hart - FNA might not be aware of your particular problem yet - the service manager could be telling (or not telling) them anything. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2042 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ferraris didn't even have warranties till the 80's, you guys don't realize how lucky you are. {  } | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1512 Registered: 12-2001 |
To address Solly's question, how much wear and tear results on the transmission as a result of starts from a standing stop? You don't have too many of those racing... As to whether FNA is ••••••• Fredrick, i think it would be fair to wait until they have been notified of the problem (preferably by Fred directly, rather than by "his" dealer) before we burn them at the stake. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 526 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anyone know the difference between the F1 tranny on the street car and on the Challenge car? I have the 6 speed on the 360 spider, no trouble at all after 8,000 miles. Have the F1 on the Challenge car, and it gets abused like hell on track days, but no problems at all with it. i wonder if it's different hardware or software on the Challenge car, since their F1 seems very robust. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6202 Registered: 8-2002 |
Fredrick, I know a excellent Lemon Law attorney here in So Cal. E-mail me if you would like his number. His costs are minimal. [email protected] | ||
| RS Biomedical (Rsbiomedical)
New member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 49 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have lemoned a car in Michigan which has similar laws to California. The process was actually pretty simple. It has to pass 2 test. 1. The problem(s) are documented in the first year. 2. The Manufacture has 7 days to respond to a "last chance to repair" demand. It took awhile but I eventually traded my car which had 60K on it by the time it over, the first problem occurred at 480 miles so i paid .10 cents a mile. Mercedes paid my attorney fees. Make sure your lawyer has practiced lemon law, I am sure most of have paid for an attorneys learning curve before. P.S. At Ferrari prices they should be providing a loaner. sorry to hear about your problem. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2128 Registered: 10-2002 |
Fred Call FNA. Write FNA. Post details. If you're not happy with the dealer you used before use a different one. Don't let a dealer you don't like work on your car. Good Luck | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 626 Registered: 6-2002 |
PSK- it should of course be possible, the parts exist and I belive are bolt-on (ie, F1 cars chassis are no different from 6-sp cars.) I can't belive the problems at so low mileage, something is clearly wrong with the car! (OR the workmanship being done to it....) Call FNA *DIRECTLY* you WILL get results. Switch dealers. Assholes deserve no respect or patronage. Best! Ben. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2154 Registered: 6-2001 |
Fredrick: There are guys who specialize in Lemmon law cases in California. Make very sure that your lawyer knows how to do one of these (I don't) because I'm told that these types of cases are very tricky. By the way: if you're dealer is being a jerk, think about moving the car for repair. There are other dealers who make a bit of money doing the warranty repair (if you are keeping the car). Art | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 771 Registered: 11-2002 |
Get it converted to a 6 speed with a gearshift lever (stick to you guys). This is possible as it was done to one in Australia, that the guy could not get used to when racing ... so they reverted back to a proper gear shift. Just a thought. Pete | ||
| David B. Norris (Norris)
New member Username: Norris Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2003 |
In California, the Lemon Law allows the consumer redress (the manufacturer buys it back--less depreciation) if the defect occurs within 18 months or 18000 miles and renders the car 'out of service' for 30 days since delivery. Cal. Civil Code 1793.22 Other states have similar remedies. Best of luck. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1396 Registered: 3-2001 |
[[[ FNA should be bending over backwards. ]]] Sounds like FNA has Fred bending over. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1510 Registered: 12-2001 |
Fred: Is the dealer whose service manager is an ass hole an authorized one? I assume so, since they did warranty work. I would contact FNA directly in New Jersey, they are pretty good about customer relations and will not be happy to learn that the service manager is difficult. Do you have to go back to that dealer? If you are in S. Cal. i assume there is the Beverly Hills dealer, and then what? Orange County? What else is in your backyard? The dealers are ultimately dependent on FNA in this instance since they did not sell the car to you and, unless they are taking money out of their pocket in the interim to make you happy, will await whatever concessions Ferrari grant. Thus, i would think it would be in your interest to speak to the US sub of the manufacturer directly, explain the history, and see if they can make an accomodation. It doesn't hurt that you participate here, either. BTW, when Dave had motormount problems not so long ago on his Maranello, FNA bent over backwards, even though, as i recall, the warranty had already expired. | ||
| James Lee (Aventino)
New member Username: Aventino Post Number: 46 Registered: 6-2003 |
Neal, I can't understand either. A repeated warranty claim, FNA should be bending over backwards. There is a bunch of people who read this forum and buy Ferrari repeatedly. The ridiculous thing is that in my neck of the woods Lexus/Toyota have a thing called a "Goodwill Claim" Even if the car is way out of warranty they often look at the cost to their reputation and repair/replace as necessary. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 207 Registered: 3-2002 |
i dont see how there is any issue whether or not fna will foot the bill? i love the cars but am growing to hate the company | ||
| Fredrick Skyler (996_gt2)
New member Username: 996_gt2 Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2003 |
Whart, I bought the car with 400 miles from an auto broker in Texas. The car was checked over at the auto gallery once I got it. Clean bill of health at 400 miles. At 1220 I had a minor tranny leak that was fixed in a week. At 1821 I had some electrical issues which were also fixed under warranty. At approx 3K miles,the "first" F1 tranny was replaced by the dealer under warranty. The car would not go into reverse and made a loud clunk when it shifted. Took 3 months to replace the tranny. Service manager was a jerk and said he is real busy every time I called to check on the car. It was'nt until I threatened legal. My buddy, who also has an F-car, said I have to take the service manager a "nice gift" because that's what everyone else does to get good service. I could'nt believe my ears and did'nt get the guy anything. Well, the car lasted a couple of thousand miles before the "new" F1 tranny "needs replacing." Needless to say, me and the service manager are not the best of friends. I won't post his name until I get final word if the tranny will be covered. It would only be right for the factory to fix this problem. I wont know "until we hear from Ferrari...maybe ny next week." Anyway, I just want to add that you guys are just the best. Thanks alot for all you'r advise and help. M.J., sorry to vent on you. Just having a real bad day. | ||
| RockStar (Remix)
Junior Member Username: Remix Post Number: 52 Registered: 3-2003 |
All I know is I'd be spitting fire right about now if I were you. If you leased/financed any of your purchase I hope they are at least taking care of most of the financial responsibility while your car sits unused. Lurking here for some time, these particular models seem to have lots of tranny problems (F1). Sad because it's such a beautiful car. REMIX | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2001 |
How many major parts or systems are you dealing with, when something goes wrong with a F1 Tranny? computer embedded software? pumps, hydrolics? what else? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1127 Registered: 1-2002 |
bill: re: other "f1" variant tranny issues. the only other cars so equipped are the e46m3 and the vanquish. the former seems to be doing well (checked the roadfly forums), and there isn't too much drama around the trannsmission, per se, but a good majority of the e46's that had terminal engine failures were smg equipped; however, the tranny didn't fail, the engine did. the latter, i don't know, simply b/c i think there's too small an owner population. allegedly the f1 on the 575 is much better, but i don't supposed you'd find too many discontented owners, yet (should problems arise) as the warranty is intact. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 587 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ya'll better finish this up before Allan gets back from Maui. | ||
| "The Don" (The_don)
Senior Member Username: The_don Post Number: 6197 Registered: 8-2002 |
Call a lemonlaw attorney | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1508 Registered: 12-2001 |
Fredrick: Did you buy the car new, from an authorized dealer? If so, i would have a come to god talk with the owner of the dealership and with FNA. I have a feeling that they will do more than stick you back in the shop if it is put to them squarely, and without hysteria. If you did not buy the car new, or got it as a flip mobile from an independent, then disregard the above. (Martin, no disrespect to you or any other independent dealer/brokers intended, but i doubt FNA will do much other than honor a parts and service warranty if it is still in place). Given the horror stories floating around about the reliability and expense of maintaining an F1 transmission, i have serious doubts about whether that is the way to go, even if you otherwise prefer it. I wonder how other versions of this same transmission or variants are faring on other cars? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1348 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ken, don't blame me, blame Ed. (Don't think that I would want a Lambo. At least with a Ferrari it IS possible to get parts!) | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1391 Registered: 3-2001 |
Rob, that's the charm of the pre-348 cars! That may also be the reason they're holding their values better in these hard times. Ken, LOL. You might be on to something! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5670 Registered: 12-2000 |
Hmm, I'm about ready to sell the BMW and get another Ferrari as I'm sick of keeping it running. The Ferrari has never been a problem or left me stranded. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1076 Registered: 10-2001 |
Anyone ever see Allan and Arlie in the same place at the same time? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Intermediate Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 1346 Registered: 5-2002 |
Maybe it's things like these that caused Ed Gault to buy a new Corvette and enjoy the RIDE instead of the shop time and associated repair bills. | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
Junior Member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 149 Registered: 5-2003 |
Frederick, maybe you can posts what you tried with your dealer to resolve this matter. I know you really don't meat to sell your car, and what Marting & Steven posted are very reasonable solution. You can ask anything you want and can be creative. You may not get what you want, but you will be moving forward from where you are now. I am always surprised what stores & companies can do for you when you honestly make a claim. David-sama, thank you for correcting me! See, my post shows how much I know about F-car. I am just a toddler who can spot a cool looking car, and nothing more YET. Do you like F-1 tranny? Maybe I should test drive new Maserati w/ F-1 tranny (is it same or different from F-car) | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1073 Registered: 10-2001 |
I wouldn't worry about Tickman; Lambos are probably no great shakes at customer service either. | ||
| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 71 Registered: 5-2003 |
no its a porsche...dont own a Ferrari yet. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 611 Registered: 4-2002 |
M.J, >>>Ive been in worst situations than a broke tranny and 3 months with out one of my cars, try 1.5 years and $136,xxx.xx in repairs and it still is not the same.<<< Is this a Ferrari you are referring to? Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1389 Registered: 3-2001 |
It's just a good thing our rodent pal, Allan is in Hawaii !!! He'd be all over this like ticks on a St. Bernard. Fred, I'd be pissed too. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5353 Registered: 5-2001 |
Steven, ho Fred is not treated fairly or respectfully. No doubt about that. I would solve it by putting a new F1 box in his car and sending the old one to Italy for research. At the same time maybe exchange the computer and some other connected parts to what could cause the problem. This is the way to handle this. As for Porsche, jag and some of the others, well they are lacking one thing: hand built quality. Onece it is hand built things can go wrong. This is why we pay extra $$$ for our cars. If I wanted a mass produced robot manufactured sportscar I would buy a Corvette and put a better suspension in it. Not even a Porsche! Porsche to me is the posterchild for how this company will go down the tube in a few years when the resale market is flooded with those cars and resale value goes down the toilet. They are still expensive to maintain yet have nothing realy to show for. Jag is heading the same direction, except they make an inexpensive limousine compared to the MB S and the 7 BMWs. Porsche, in my opinion, is selling out their name at this very moment for quick profits so the current CEO will make tons of EUROs in bonuses over the next years leaving a shabby name as a leftover! I rather drive a Lambo or Ferrari with F1 tranny probelms every now and then. Just demand the respect to have it fixed promptly! | ||
| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 70 Registered: 5-2003 |
go F yourself fredrick...if you cant take a joke i feel sorry for you. so your car's tranny went out get over it! fix it or sell it but to do nothing but complain about it is a sign of your character, and not a good one i might add. if the car is still covered then FNA pays for the bill you only miss the car for a while( absence makes the heart grow fonder). GET OVER IT. its a car, you have others. and dont think I dont know where your coming from Ive been in worst situations than a broke tranny and 3 months with out one of my cars, try 1.5 years and $136,xxx.xx in repairs and it still is not the same. so F off | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
Member Username: Noel Post Number: 381 Registered: 2-2003 |
Fredrick, sorry to hear it, i feel like with some of the problems that i've had, i'm not too far behind you. if it's a spider that means it's at least an 01 so there is a warrenty...right? if it's a euro there is a warrenty in it's counrty of origin...right? good luck. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 523 Registered: 4-2002 |
Fredrick, i am sorry to hear your problem and i know how frustrating it can be. i had a 00 coupe 6 speed which was in the shop for transmission problem as well for over 30 days. have you tried contacing FNA directly? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5352 Registered: 5-2001 |
Damn Eli, just had someone ask me for a red 6 speed. what is your color and options. Send me some info and I will keep my ears open. Also how much! Worst case ask the dealer for how much they take the car back in the trade for the Spider. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 610 Registered: 4-2002 |
Martin, There are MANY sports car companies. Ferrari does not have a lock on the sports car marketplace. Porsche is but one mainstream company like Ferrari is mainstream, yet there are also niche' players as well. Lambo, Lotus and others are options as we are discussing the 360, not the Enzo. In fact the new Ford may give Ferrari a nice run for the money. In the end there are many choices and the OLD Maserati learned about the lack of reliability and the dwindling of their customer base. In fact Jaguar was dying due to reliability issues and look at what Ford has done for that brand. Hmmm, there is that Ford brand name again. Just taking a look at my options as funds will permit a great car, yet also believe in supporting a company who properly values their customers. After all, we each vote with our Dollars/Pounds/Euro/Yen/etc. How would you solve Fred's problem Martin? Do you feel Fred is being treated fairly? Please share your insights with us my friend. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 522 Registered: 4-2002 |
Martin, do you have a buyer for my 03 coupe? the spider should be here within the next 10 days. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 521 Registered: 4-2002 |
Fredrick, what year is it? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5350 Registered: 5-2001 |
but Steven, what is the solution? Buying a Lambo? | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 609 Registered: 4-2002 |
Fred, It is very disappointing that Ferrari is not an honorable company as they are obviously not providing you with timely service. They should at least provide you with a proper loaner 360 or... As this is a reoccurring situation, Ferrari would be copmpany that stands behind their product by providing you with a new car as soon as they can. Your car should be sent back for the factory for them to analyze and learn from. The F1 system appears to have many faults and Ferrari realizes this. It is a known issue. This is indeed a major black eye to Ferrari's reputation in the world marketplace and shows how they may treat their past, current, and future customers. i am sure everyone reading this thread may think twice before supporting a company that treats their customers in this manner. There are many other sports car companies who value their customers and therefore are shown proper respect and attention. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1366 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yoshi-san, You cannot over rev an F1 trans, the computer prevents that.... | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5344 Registered: 5-2001 |
DES: Don't know what you are talking about | ||
| Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
Junior Member Username: Tiger_ace Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2003 |
I am sincerely sorry to hear that. I hope you don't have to pay your monthly payments for those period or get some kind of compensation. I would be very upset & dissapointed if I had to go through that. Can this be possible to change your F1 to regular 6 speeds? Since you are having many problems under warranty, you can ask?!? Or asked for good trade-in. I never ride one w/ F1 tranny, but I think I would like regular 6 speeds better. I am too old to learn different gear shifting. I can imagine myself killing engine at the stops or over-revving in the middle of a highway. However if nothing works out for you, please let me know...... I love the look of 360, and the sound of 355, so I am always in market for deals on 355 & 360. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5343 Registered: 5-2001 |
LOL M.J. has a wanted car : 360 (6 speed) I wonder why! BTW if the car was in 3 months you may qualify under lemon law. And 3 months I can understand your frustration. I would get pissed as well and actually sue the dealer for lost time! That is just abnormal for waiting on service. If they can not figure it out, put a new tranny in! | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Intermediate Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 1012 Registered: 10-2002 |
LOL DES!!! Fredrick, I feel your pain... just dealt with some tranny problems myself, but on a 348, it's of a different order of magnitude than the 360 F1. Hopefully, it all works out for you. | ||
| Fredrick Skyler (996_gt2)
New member Username: 996_gt2 Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2003 |
M.J. go screw yourself....Not in the mood for your stupid jokes. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1616 Registered: 2-2001 |
Fredrick, post a price. Ernesto | ||
| Fredrick Skyler (996_gt2)
New member Username: 996_gt2 Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
Gee thanks Dave....10K is way to high. You are being way to generous. Mark, my lawyer is checking on the lemon law. I doubt it though..I think the car has to go in alot more times within so many months. Frank,I agree...this will be the last automatic sports car I will ever own. | ||
| M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
Junior Member Username: Dream_cars Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2003 |
ill give you 55,000. as is where is | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2326 Registered: 1-2002 |
Fred, I'll give you $10K for the car as is. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2002 |
Fredrick: So sorry to here about your situation. I certainly don't blame you for being pissed. Perhaps Lemon laws may apply to your situation? Perhaps a trade on a six speed? Keep us posted on how things go. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2758 Registered: 9-2001 |
As I have posted before, F1 transmissions are for F1 cars or for owners with budgets like F1 teams. Otherwise, a good old fashion 3, 4, 5 or 6 speed is the ticket! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5439 Registered: 8-2002 |
LMAO, Martin...! You gonna sell it, as is, to someone else...? Maybe Byron's in the market for a 360...? | ||
| Randall (Randall)
Member Username: Randall Post Number: 611 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'll trade you my 308 that has a completely working tranny. I'll even put you up at my place in Hawaii for a week, since I'm such a good guy. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5342 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'll take it! | ||
| Fredrick Skyler (996_gt2)
New member Username: 996_gt2 Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2003 |
F1 tranny needs replacing!! I am very pissed to say the least. This is the second time and the service manager says he has no idea when I'll get the car back. The last time it took 3 months!! Car won't go into reverse and first. Starts in second only. Dealer says it's not a software issue. Anyone want to but a really clean 360 with 5880 miles?? |