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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 69
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 5:46 pm: | |
Chris,
To address some of your points from my own personal perspective.
1). Resale value in a subjective quantity, some people buy/sell cars under varying circumstances and conditions. In comparing the TR to the 348, for the same coin you will be getting an older TR v. a failry newer 348, this may weigh out in the end, it may not. Also, depending on the buyer market at the time 8 and 12 cyl cars may be in differing demands, as well as some people prefer the 348 to the 355, the old classic "cheese grater" design on the 348 some people believe to be more classically Ferrari, again it's all subjective.
2). The wear and tear on the Challenge cars is again a subjective matter. However, a properly run and setup Challenge car you know has been mechanically looked after, b/c it has to be, a track car to run well must be service often and regularly, so on this side of the coin the Challenge car has been care for, regardless of being driven hard -again a subjective term- this in comparison to a garage queen car that's been started once a week, and maybe driven once a month, I belive would be more of a liability, at least up front. You are right though, the Challenge cars do sell for less usually b/c they have been tracked and b/c they have the stigma of track use associated to them. Not to mention that most of them are not street legal, so again, the buyer base is much smaller.
3). For a start on where to look for used Ferrari's, check the links on this page under "Where to buy", that should get you started.
-Hubert |
Chris Coleman (Dmc4cc)
New member
Username: Dmc4cc
Post Number: 33
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 4:53 pm: | |
What about resale value in the future? Isn't it likely 348's will drop more as a result of their more recent design and likeness to the better 355? Won't the testarossa become a classic sooner is it a shot in the dark? Also for challenge cars, wouldn't the engines have taken much more abuse as well as all the suspension components, aren't these cars generally less valuable because of the abuse they have taken? ALso where can I find classifieds for these cars? thanks, I'd be looking in the midatlantic. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 67
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 4:46 pm: | |
Martin,
You should have taken a picture of the car pulled over, that would have been classic! I had a similar experience on my Ducati, while being issued the ticket, tow ungodly loud Harley's flew by, argh! A Ferrari getting a noise violation ticket though is ironic, at the very least.
Personally, that car, on paper, looks like a steal for someone looking for an F'car tailored to street and track use! If I had a $45-50K to spend, I'd look at it very seriously.
BTW, you wouldn't have anymore photo's of that particular 348, would you?
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Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 820
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 2:38 pm: | |
The 348 is faster than the TR on the track. In fact, when the 348 came out part of Ferrari's advertising bragged that the 348 was faster around Fiorano than the TR. But the TR would be faster in a drag race. I've had a 1986 TR and now own a 1994 348 Spider. While I loved my TR when I had it, I prefer the 348 125% . Its more fun andless of a hassle to own/maintain and drive. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 2010
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 2:06 pm: | |
that is what I thought.
So Chris,
if you have a lift the Testarossa or 348 is a great choice. Both have their probelm areas if you can trust some of the rumors here. I have really none in my car. A friend has a 1991 TR and the car has some electrical issues but nothing that can not be overcome!
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BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 2476
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 10:33 am: | |
The TR has that separate engine frame that comes out underneath. The 512TR is when they went back to one piece again and the engine coming out the top. On the TR it was said to be too much flex in the separate frames, on the smaller 348 though it doesn't seem to be an issue. And since only the fastest drivers on a track would notice it, it really is a non-issue in a performance respect. |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1999
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:36 am: | |
apparently he had a phone meter and measured the noise of the car. They do that with all the Harleys coming into the Keys. It is a $45 quick bucks for the FHP.
It was just so obvious that is what ticks me off.
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TomD (Tifosi)
Member
Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 620
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:23 am: | |
are you serious, what a XXck! Did you all stop, what did he say to you guys |
Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1996
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:23 am: | |
The 348 engine comes out from underneith the car. If you have a lift it is very easy to work on the 348 and drop the engine.
On the early Testarossas I think you had the same feature, right? The 512TR you have to lift the engine out of the car. Or was that the other way around?
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Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1995
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:20 am: | |
Hubert,
that is Bob's car. It is not a 1ofXX challenge cars but a very nice model. Black Challenge Wheels and a mean exhaust. He actually got a ticket in Key LArgo this past weekend. The cop was riding next to us for several minutes while we were going Speed limit in the yellow 512TR and Bob's 348 Challenge and my 348. When the cop could not cite us for speeding he pulled Bob over for " a too loud exhaust!" I could not believe it.
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Dr. George Petito (Doc18015)
New member
Username: Doc18015
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 7:31 am: | |
No comparison! The TR is a much better built car...from chassis design to body construct. If you plan on doing your own work, the Tr is the way to go. The looks and sound are killers!I have driven both and own a 87 TR...be happy to discuss with you further. The TR is the most photographed Ferrari.....love mine! |
rossa4sale (Rossa4sale)
New member
Username: Rossa4sale
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 3:16 am: | |
Chris- Hold out for the TR. The market is extremely soft right now. I just sold my 89 TR for only $50K (19K miles). I didnt get one offer for above $55K from about 20 inquiries. The buyers pointed out several TR's around the US for between $45K-$60K for 87-90's. Look on ebay for some good deals. |
Andrew (Mrrou)
Junior Member
Username: Mrrou
Post Number: 216
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 11:23 pm: | |
chris you might also want to look into a 328 or a mondial T Cab..the mondial T is in my opinion just as good as the 348..same horsepower range plus 4 seats..cant go wrong there |
Bak-a-lack-a Bak-a-lacka-lacka ! (Chris_n_chicago)
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Username: Chris_n_chicago
Post Number: 24
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 9:24 pm: | |
No, but the color is close. The Symbolic car has less miles and will be many more $$$$$
My Spyder is going at a great price because it is a high mileage car. ( well maintained , though ) |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 62
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 6:30 pm: | |
Chris n Chicago,
Is that your 348 spyder on the Symbolic website? Identical car and background.
Chris Coleman,
Have you father look at this one:
1989 348 TB Challenge Converted for street use. New 6K paint job, challenge wheels, many extras. 55K o.b.o. Trades? 305-235-2963
It's in Florida.
Hubert |
Bak-a-lack-a Bak-a-lacka-lacka ! (Chris_n_chicago)
New member
Username: Chris_n_chicago
Post Number: 23
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 6:16 pm: | |
There's a blue chiaro 348 Spyder for sale in that range in Chicago... see my profile.
Rob will you require a finder's fee? |
Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Junior Member
Username: Future328driver
Post Number: 93
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 4:37 pm: | |
Chris,
You can defintely get a 348 for that price range. As for TR's you might be able to get a early model (say an '85-'87) for that price but it might not be current on maintenance. Remember that a V-12 will probably cost a lot more to mainatain.
I personally know of 2 348tbs for sale in Dallas for $50k-60k that is in good shape with good miles and fairly recent service, so I would say that 348s (non-spyders) are do-able for that price. |
Joseph Caretti (Pino)
New member
Username: Pino
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 4:22 pm: | |
Chris, I had the same questions when I was F-shopping. There are pros and cons to each. Both are gorgeous cars. Both require engine removal for belt services. But the 12 cylinder cars obviously have 50% more moving parts. The 348's offer ABS, 17"wheel packages, and are slightly more modern (overall). Because of these features, I was more inclined to go with the 348. Good luck finding one, however. All the nice ones seem to be in hiding somewhere.
Just my thoughts.
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Chris Coleman (Dmc4cc)
New member
Username: Dmc4cc
Post Number: 32
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 2:44 pm: | |
My father is considering buying a Ferrari in the 50k price range give or take 7k. If we wanted the best bang for buck, what is the most fun, and best resale for a TR or 348. Also, where I can I find these highline exotics advertised from private owners, I ahte dealers and we will do all services in our very own garage (we've been warned many times, and yes we know the difficulties but there's nothing we haven't been able to do yet). ALso, which cars are easier to serive? Both seem to have timing belts in the most obscure and unaccessible regions Ferrari could find, please help. |