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Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
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Post Number: 77
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 7:33 pm:   

I'll give you the keys if you promise to wear the helmet. I'll even throw in a pair of 20-sided dice to close the deal.

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P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 5:07 pm:   

Dr, LOL. Strength in numbers, I like it!
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:55 pm:   

In my experience it takes an ins co at least a month to do anything, if an adjuster acts too fast it looks bad for the ins co.

If they are working with you I'd give them more time, as I am sure you know the lawsuit route will take a lot of your time and hassle for a relatively small payoff
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:42 pm:   

Hey Thomas!!!

The "Hello Kitty" pink things???

My GF looks so young they carded her and made her wear that dumb thing. So she would not feel so bad, my entire crew put one on too.


DrS
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 780
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:38 pm:   

So far I have gotten a lot of nowhere from the Insurance people Erie Insurance has gone through at least 2 adjusters so far and is now working on a third as part of their "investigation" of a matter that all the participants (Me, the Club Management and our attorneys.) are in agreement over.

I am stunned at the lack of customer service that Erie has afforded all of us in general and me in particular.

I informed them that if positive action was not taken by Wed, we would move into the law suit phase of this ordeal.


Richard,

I would like to thank you for being most un-helpful in this matter. The main differences in this and if I, myself, did this or anything else to MY car is....... It is MY car. I did not take it from someone else or violate a good faith agreement. But you should remember your words the next time some one breaks something of yours. With that in mind, can I drive your car for a few hours? (I'll be careful.)


DrS
P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:37 pm:   

With all due respect: The first clue that something REALLY bad was going to happen should have been those goofy matching pink braclets that they made you wear. At a country club?? This is not a beer garden at spring break. Sheesh.
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:29 pm:   

DrS - what did the insurance people have to say on thursday?

doody.
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
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Posted on Monday, August 04, 2003 - 4:12 pm:   

Give me a break.

"when someone drives your car without permission on some cases damages can occur down the road although you may not notice it now, for instance they could've done burnouts and hard launches and hard shifts with possible grinding"

Because of course all Ferrari owners are Ace #1 drivers who time every shift perfectly, never get drunk and do sloppy burn outs, never over-rev the engine because they aren't paying attention "nice armor you're wearing my dear..."

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Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 11:34 pm:   

SAD to see it is not just me.....


http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/132929/297147.html?1059971562


I feel for you Chris!!!

DrS
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 756
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 8:52 am:   

Well, I am suppost to meet with the Insurance people today. Hopefully we can get the car shipped down to Atlanta before Friday!!!


DrS
Modified348ts (Modman)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   

Since your car has been violated, don't let it happen again esp. to her!!! Oh the pain... when someone drives your car without permission on some cases damages can occur down the road although you may not notice it now, for instance they could've done burnouts and hard launches and hard shifts with possible grinding and you won't notice any severe problems till later and that is what you'll have to now deal with, it sucks!, and there isn't nothing you can do to prove when and why it happened when it happens. All I can say that it sucks the big one but hey at least it's only a car, you know it could be worse, at least you still have something better to drive, ( in good humor that is ) :-) I've had my share of cars donated and brought back in bad shape and I'll never do it again, well only if it is a piece of sh*t car, never anything expensive or new. Uh, skip that on the piece of sh*t car as I would not want to own one anyway.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:29 pm:   

Well......


DrS
sindo rodil (308qv_miami)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 6:25 pm:   

i'll second martin's motion!
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 5:27 pm:   

forget how you look without your armor, I want to see her without hers :-) (all in good fun)

Pretty! Very Pretty!

Nice golf course too!
Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 5:05 pm:   

quote: Here she is again from earlyer in the day. Plus, you get to see what I look like with out the armor!!!


Dr Strangelove, who cares what you look like when you stand next to a lady in red like that? Reminds me of that one Oscar/Grammy show where Jennifer Lopez wore that green famous dress, standing on stage next to ...'who that guy?' See, who cares what the guy looks like?
Robin Overcash (Robin)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 4:55 pm:   

The matching pink Hello-Kitty watches are so cute. :-)

-R
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 4:26 pm:   

Here she is again from earlyer in the day. Plus, you get to see what I look like with out the armor!!!


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Dave (Maranelloman)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 3:46 pm:   

I wonder if this country club is known locally as "Blowing Chunks CC".

What a horrible name for a country club, only matched by their horrible behavior.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 2:33 pm:   

Tyler, brilliant statement!
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 2:28 pm:   

DrS

Well, if the valet was going to steal one of your red/tan beauties at least he chose poorly. :-)
Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   

Oh. So that's you get to do when you have a Ferrari. Hmm. I better get my butt in gear and find the right car soon. Time's a wastin'.

BTW, I hope that you made her take any rings off first. I had a car that someone posed with (without my permission) and they left their rings on. I could not get the scratches out for the life of me. Boy was I mad.
TomD (Tifosi)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:53 am:   

did the valet let his girlfriend sit on the car ? :-) these might be discoverable as evidence you did not care for the car allowing pretty women to sit on it. JK :-)
ryan (Ferrari_kid)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 11:26 am:   

seeing as how i have a friend who works valet i would strongly advice against using valet for any type of exotic.
they use a large hangar type garage to park the cars and it has allowed them to conceal their activities. so far i've heard about donuts in porsches and setting up mini cone dodging sessions with an nsx. i have yet to hear anything bad happening to a ferrari.

it's really too bad that people disrespect any type of a car that way, especially since it isn't theirs. you would think that these valet companies would be more picky about who they hire to park these high end cars.
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:58 am:   

Sheesh, can I borrow her to pose on my car?
:-)
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:54 am:   

Here is another....


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adrian low (Audionut)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:53 am:   

Nice wheels!
TC (Houston) (Tec)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:50 am:   

Nice, but for some reason I was expecting Princess Leia hair earmuffs. :-)
Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:49 am:   

Uh, oh, so the whole evening wasn't just a bad experience. Congrats! Nice copilot. These are the best of F car pictures!
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 10:46 am:   

Just before the incident, I took this picture!!!


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Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 9:00 am:   

I am told trial law is pretty clear that it is the DRIVER who is to blaim.


DrS
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 8:22 am:   

"This also brings up a point if you valet your car and the valet takes off in it gets in an accident and injures someone who is held liable?"

The answer to this question is: The one with the deeper pockets!
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 6:09 am:   

Yes it was... I just dont remember a valet scene.

But this would make a good one!!!


DrS
James Govan (Admiral_thrawn)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 4:47 am:   

Valet parking?

ARGH!
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:36 pm:   

Wasn't Bushwood the club in Caddyshack?

Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 9:43 pm:   

Bushwood Documentary film?????


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Vincent (Vincent348)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 9:41 pm:   

DrS,

What an exciting life you lead. Good luck, I'm sure everything will turn out alright, especially if this is a reputable establishment. Lots of good advice here.


William,

After seeing the Bushwood Documentary film, a few times, I would never let them park my car!

Vincent.

Dale W Spradling (Drtax)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 9:05 pm:   

Well, it's near Blowing Rock, North Carolina. Don't ask me why they call it Blowing Rock cause I ain't never heard the darn thing blow. It's also near the Tweetsie Railroad. Both should be avoided at all costs.

However, the area around Blowing Rock and Boone is a great driving area. And, during the Summer it comes with free air conditioning!
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 9:04 pm:   

Yea really.

It is actually the name of the town.

http://www.blowingrock.com/


DrS
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 8:56 pm:   

what genius came up with the name of this country club?

doody.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 8:53 pm:   

The GC of the club informed me that the Vallet is run by the club and not sublet out!!!!! So, it IS the clubs problem.

DrS
William Huber (Solipsist)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 8:40 pm:   

Does this ever happen at Bushwood? Nah...

It's amazing on what some people think they can get away with. Dr. S, I'd go to the "dark side of the force" all over the valets, but you may have trouble going against the club. Wm Hart does bring up a valid point about sublet contractors. Step softly but carry a fully charged light saber.
Ernie (Ernie)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 8:17 pm:   

What have we all learned from this??????



NEVER, NEVER, NEVER LET A VALET PARK THE FERRARI!!!!!!
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 7:36 pm:   

That's friggin insane. You should have them charged with theft since essentially that's what they did. This also brings up a point if you valet your car and the valet takes off in it gets in an accident and injures someone who is held liable?
Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 5:27 pm:   

Should have attacked them star wars style...May the force be with you.
Chris Horner (Cmhorner17)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 5:20 pm:   

So Drstranglove,

What exactly stopped you from beating their @$$es in? I say get everything you can. There is absolutly positively no excuse for that kind of nonsense. Keep us posted.
wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 5:11 pm:   

on my 996TT I had a program installed on a key FOB for different grades of fuel i.e. race etc.
One of the positions on the key fob was for VALET.
When pushed car would only do 35 mph and no hurry to get there. I had fun with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mister Jones (Davey_jones)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 5:04 pm:   

I smell a free major service coming up!!!

Sorry to hear about that - botom line is
alot of people have no respect...
john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 3:27 pm:   

Leaving the car in there care is silly. Not only because the did not take care of it to begin with but also because they do not have a greater defense once the car leaves thier care. They can just as easily say that damage occured before you took it to them as they can to say it occured after.

I'd pick the car up. Document visually if you can any damage before you pick it up. Take it to your mechanic and make your claim. Leaving it in thier parking lot does nothing constructive, except exacerbate your damages.

Either way, you will need proof that damage occured during thier custody, and not before or after. Your "word" that there was no damage before or after IS proof. And its likely your word against the guys who took the car on the joyride.
wm hart (Whart)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:38 pm:   

Martin is right, so long as the shop documents the flatbed move and the condition of the car as they received it, knowing that any of this could be called into question by the other side, and being prepared to shove right back if the question is raised.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:36 pm:   

Have the car towed to a mechanic of your choiuce that will perform the work anyway! Sport Auto, FCI or whoever. They can start working already on it and you will not lose more time!

Martin
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:30 pm:   

INS????
Was the guy from Mexico? :-)

Doc,
remember it is not the CLub that is at fault here, it is an individual that was employed by them (and I hope it is "WAS employed"). Be calm and professional about it yet forcefull. It look slike they want to do the right thing. A quick check for Ferrari Rental should get you some yahoo results in your area. $350 a day may be a little cheap but may just be the case. If the dealer tells you it is 3 days to repair then that is what it is. A 3-day Ferrari rental. As good faith you may elect to not rent the Ferrari but take a Mercedes or Caddilac Eldorado from Budget to help ease their pain as well.

I am sure they will come through and do the right thing.


Rodney Haas (Icars)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:25 pm:   

In Texas at least the hold harmless clauses are meaningless. A friend of mine had his Jaguar severely damaged by a valet here in Dallas. The restaurant in question tried to use the disclaimer to protect itself. They ended up purchasing the Jaguar.

I would talk to your attorney first thing. It's cheap insurance on your part.
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:24 pm:   

DrS

That is just horrible. Keep us posted on the progress of this.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:12 pm:   

Jeff, thats a good point.

I know for a fact my clubs INS covered my Valets. I would be stunned if they did not look into this when they started the valet service. (Which is done inhouse.) But stranger things have happened.

For what its worth, I will give them till tomorow morning to come up with an answer before sicking the dogs on them.

I am also leaning toward FoA doing the work as they did sell the car and I know Tom J is going on Vacation soon.

DrS
john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:10 pm:   

The disclaimer is likely worthless. The only time I've seen them upheld is when they disclaim risks you would normally be assuming anyway. So forget what the ticket says.

They are responsible for any and all damage to your car. If they put so much as a rock chip on the nose, I'd claim for it, and any diminished value associated with the after affects of the repair. You may want your mechanic (preferably one farmiliar with the "before" condition of the car), to check the car out. They should pay for the costs of the inspection and any damage to the car that can be found that was not there before.

They are also responsible for the additional mileage on the car. (if it was gone for 30 minutes, you can be they were driving the whole time. I'd figure at least 30 miles. - Figure how much your car has cost you in depreciation and maintinece per mile and add it up)

I would not leave the car with them. Pick the car up.


If they give you any problems I'd have a lawyer friend draft a letter demanding the amount. If they do not deal with your lawyer in good faith, then have him write a letter telling them he will file suit and ask in discovery of every name of every club member- So that he had make an inquiry into whether this has happened to them. (Imagine them thinking about all of the club members fearing that their cars will be mistreated.) The bad publicity alone from that senario will force them to treat you fairly.
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:07 pm:   

If they are having their house atty handle this be cautious they are scared and it looks like they are going to fight, I'd reccommend talking to your own.

The GC knows already if it falls under their policy, they want some time to figure things out or to see if you will drop it after a few days.

I'd call him back and ask if its covered or not are they going to pay for damages or do you need to get your atty involved

Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 2:05 pm:   

My brother came up with the idea of leaving the car there. It basically made it so, as William just said, that they can not use it as a ruse to not pay for anything..."How do we know this didn't happen when you picked up the car from the Valet???"

So it is still sitting in the same spot the valet parked it in when they returned from their Ferrari adventure. The GC of the club wanted me to come get it but backed off when I pointed out that he might use that to get out of any or everything.

DrS
Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:54 pm:   

hear hear, frank.

be persistent drstrangelove, but i wouldn't be an a-hole. it's certainly plausible that it'll take a day or two to get a response back from the insurance company.

doody.
wm hart (Whart)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:53 pm:   

Whether or not the club is covered by insurance is their issue, not yours. (In other words, it matters not who pays for the inspection, damage, etc. on their end). I obviously don't know all the details but were you planning on leaving the car at the club for some period of time, as a guest? Otherwise, i would have it moved to a secure location, with the understanding that the insurance company won't try to use this as a ruse to avoid payment (ie you did whatever damage resulted from moving the car). Perhaps it would make sense to have the local cops follow you to wherever you move the car, just so if there is a question later raised by the insurance company, you have a credible witness to say nothing happened to the car while you were moving it.
TomD (Tifosi)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:46 pm:   

why did you leave it there? I woulld have preferred for him to say it will be taken care or either by ins or the club, no questions. sounds like you might be in for a run around. Were you a guest of a memember - can they help?
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:44 pm:   

The General Counsil of the club just called. He said they are checking with their INS people to see if this falls under their protection.

Question: He said it may take a "couple" of days to find out. How long should I have to wait and have the car sit in their parking lot for this??



Oh, and when all is said and done should I ask for a membership in the club???

DrS
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:37 pm:   

Good one, Frank!

Luke.
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:27 pm:   

I would get an inspection at their cost to see if anything was damaged. If so, they should pay for the damage to be repaired. By the way, I'm waiting to see how many of the same people that bad mouthed lawyers in posts in "Other" topics about suing negligent doctors that will now spout off about suing over a 15-30 minute joy ride in a car. Funny where some peoples' priorities lie .
M.J. Callie (Dream_cars)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:26 pm:   

DR.S,

a 348 spider would be around 350-399 a day
P. Thomas (Ferrari_fanatic)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:06 pm:   

This Valet topic has been recently brought up on F-Chat. Many people shared endless stories of uneventful experiences.

My story is a little diffrent (and also less positive). I had a Valet park my car at a local resturant. I look through the window and all 6 of the attendants are staring at my car. I watch them for about 5 minutes as they are all taking turns trying to figure out how to open the door and start the car (my alarm automatically sts upon leaving the car and you have to hit the remote or it will just crank over and will not start). I come walking out to get my keys backand when the guy gets out I noticed his ball point pen has been digging into my leather seat.

I go ape and a small scene starts. Lesson learned I will never Valet again. That was the first and last time ever.

Dr., in your case taking your car for a joy ride was complete BS.

For the most part, if you do not think that the Valet will treat your care with the same care that you would, then don't do it. It just causes too much frustartion.

My .02
TomD (Tifosi)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 1:03 pm:   

if you do valet and you can't see the car at all times its a good idea to tell the valet your a doctor on call and you may need the car at a moments notice. otherwise your pulling up with a golf bag and basically telling them you will be gone for 4 hours - obviously check the mileage too
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:55 pm:   

Just got off the phone with Steve at FoA!!!! He is really nice and very knowlagable!!!! I think I could tell he was getting reved up over this crap too, as I am. He said he was ready to help in any way he could.

Good stuff here!!!

DrS
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
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Post Number: 731
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:51 pm:   

Good stuff here!!!

William,

I am not a member of the club. (No pool, too far away.) But I may soon be one!!! I am going to call them now and try to go over some of the great info I have been getting form the membership here!!!!

Keep the good ideas rolling!!!


DrS
Ron Vallejo (Ron328)
Junior Member
Username: Ron328

Post Number: 243
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:49 pm:   

I feel for you. I get mad just reading this thread. I hope your 348 checks out fine and most important, they get nailed for this...BIG time!.
Pls. keep us posted.
wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member
Username: Whart

Post Number: 1542
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:46 pm:   

First, of all, its a "bailment" under common law which requires them to exercise some reasonable degree of care while the car is in their possession or control. Going for a joyride doesn't qualify as reasonable, with the parking brake on, and exposing the car to traffic is a far different proposition than wheeling it around in the parking lot. The disclaimer of liability language may be completely worthless depending on your state's law, and i would argue that even if it is enforceable for certain things (eg not responsible if valuable items left in car), i would argue that it is entirely inapplicable to this situation, which amounts to theft (if you can prove that they took it off premises, not reasonably adjacent to a parking facility, how many miles on the clock if you could establish that, etc.). I would make a police report, and have your lawyer let the club know that you are going after these kids, and the club itself, unless the latter makes good. (BTW, if the parking concession is operated by an outside vendor, include that entity in your list of potential defendants as well). You might also find out if there is any history of this with this particular valet or service, and what notice the club has previously had about this, since they could be liable for continuing to engage the valets if they know that they have made a habit of this. (If you are a member of the club you may want to handle the club part of this more delicately, over a glass of sherry and a cigar in the library with the club manager and a friendly board member). Let us know what happens.
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member
Username: Atheyg

Post Number: 328
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:38 pm:   

File a Police report asap for the record in case you go to court

Check out every inch of your car for scrapes underneath,dings,chips,interior damage

Have the car checked out mechanically, did they over-rev it, grind gears, do burnouts, slip the clutch? Your e-brake pads are toast and glazed lucky it didn't start a fire.

I'd start dialogue with the club manager to see his reaction to determine if you need a lawyer or not.

I would never valet, my younger brothers friend was one and you'd be suprised (well maybe) what they do, which is why they get so excited when a exotic pulls up.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member
Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 730
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:36 pm:   

Martin,

Thanks for the call and the advice!!!! You are the man!!!! I may have to speak to you more on this latter in the week!!


DrS
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member
Username: Tifosi

Post Number: 4274
Registered: 9-2001
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:34 pm:   

give us a blow by blow account of what you said to them - they must have sh$t in their pants - did you check the seats. You can probably sue for mental pain and suffering
Dr. Ken Lee (Kenster888)
Junior Member
Username: Kenster888

Post Number: 187
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:27 pm:   

Go get them tiger. Sue their ass off! This just pisses me off.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5396
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:25 pm:   

Why does Capital Punishment not work in that case?
Jeff B. (Miltonian)
Member
Username: Miltonian

Post Number: 473
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:53 am:   

Just in case you don't know, the parking brake is basically a drum brake INSIDE the rear rotors. It has a pair of shoes that can't be seen without removing the rotors. An inspection of this will require removal of both rear rotors, not just an eyeball inspection with the wheels removed. The rear disc pads are probably OK, but the shoes are likely "toast" and the drum surface is probably scored or heat checked.

The management of the Club should fire everyone involved, no question. Not just the valets. If they take care of the situation to YOUR satisfaction, then forgive them. But they owe you big time at this point.
Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member
Username: Paulie_b

Post Number: 526
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:44 am:   

Go for the inspection and check the brakes at the least. That is a shame. You are out to nice a nice time and some ass**** has to ruin it. I NEVER valet. Its a real fear.
Something like this happened to me years ago when I left my 454 Corvette for an alarm system. When I arrived at the shop, to check up on things, the bastards were driving the car back towards the shop. Needless to say I was a lunatic but too young to think of doing anything else.
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member
Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 729
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:42 am:   

Oh, and who cares what the ticket says??? Trial law is very clear that they (BRCC) owe me for this one!!! Also they have actually admitted they are responsible.

DrS
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member
Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 728
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:41 am:   

Just got of the phone with F-Chat Member Tom J of Sport Auto here in NC. (He is the best!!) He says go for the complete inspection with special attention to the brakes and the clutch!!!! I agree


Also a through look at the skirt and the paint job and not forgetting the tires!!! I agree.

My attorny also says they owe me for the loss of use of the car. So a question is, what is it going to cost me to RENT a Ferrari for about two weeks??? Who on the east coast does this???

DrS
Brian W (Jetx)
Junior Member
Username: Jetx

Post Number: 53
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:38 am:   

>>Also file a police report as a stolen car. That ought to wake the a$$clowns up, as well as their management<<

Ever read the liability ticket you get from a valet? Additionally, most police departments won't begin looking for your car until weeks later because you "willingly" gave the keys to someone else.

I've been re-thinking valet parking *really* hard, and leaning towards never doing it again.
Andrew H (Stokpro)
Junior Member
Username: Stokpro

Post Number: 78
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:36 am:   

DrS,

Several years ago a valet broke my driver side mirror against a concrete pillar. Not sure how the punk put it back together, but I didn't notice until I entered the freeway and the mirror broke off. The valet parking stub said management was not responsible for the car after left the hotel. B.S. I thought, they'll pay! I immediately called management of the valet and the hotel. They paid the bill and fired the kid. I'd definitely go after the management. Best of luck!
JHK (Gman)
New member
Username: Gman

Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:34 am:   

DrS
Sounds as if you caught them before they could jack up the rear and run in reverse! I say "Off with their heads". At a minimum the club has to pay for inspection and new rear brakes with new rotors.
Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member
Username: 4re308

Post Number: 994
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:30 am:   

I would sue the place after I took the bastards hands off! No excuse in the world can get them out of this! Man, I would be hard pressed to keep myself from physically attacking them.
Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member
Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 2345
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:28 am:   

Also file a police report as a stolen car. That ought to wake the a$$clowns up, as well as their management.
Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allyn

Post Number: 1093
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:28 am:   

Either your brake is now toast or it only worked as well as my Lotus hand brake to begin with.
Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member
Username: Enzomoon

Post Number: 211
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:26 am:   

Sounds like Justifiable Homicide time to me!!! Did you speak with the management at the Club??
Obviously, they should be fired immediately. Beyond that I would at least make the club pay to have a thorough inspection of the car and go from there. Sorry to hear about it.
Mark
Drstranglove (Drstranglove)
Member
Username: Drstranglove

Post Number: 727
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:22 am:   

At the Blowing Rock Country Club in Blowing Rock NC!!!!!

Right out of Ferris Beuler's Day Off!!!! We got it back when they came back. I caught them personally when I went to get something for my date and the car was GONE!!!! 15-30 min later, (It felt like forever.) here comes my baby back up the drive with the scums in it!!

God knows where they went or what they did, but one thing is for sure... They did the whole trip with the parking brake ON!!!!!!

What should I do??????


DrS

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