| Author | Message | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 133 Registered: 3-2003 |
"Crawford, you have too much time on your hands! " Oh, so true! Actually, the guitar biz is finally starting to pick up a bit, thankfully :-) | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 132 Registered: 3-2003 |
<<>> Oh, so true! Actually, the guitar biz is finally starting to pick up a bit, thankfully :-) | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 1673 Registered: 10-2002 |
Not too long ago there was a 'show car' F1 on ebay. It had no engine and tranny and I think nobody bought it ultimately, but I was thinking if I had the cash, I would have bought it and given it a 308 (or 328) engine and tranny. Not quite the performance of a real F1, but good enough for vintage racing. Funny that somebody had some similar thoughts. | ||
| James Angle (Jimangle)
Junior Member Username: Jimangle Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2002 |
Guys, You forgot one thing here. I may be wrong but what about the gearing? Would the 308 engine even be able to even get the indy car moving with it's higher first gear ratio? Or would it fry the clutch, or stall out? This is assuming that nothing will be done to either gearbox. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 5774 Registered: 12-2000 |
This is a no brainer. The 308 won't be able to put the power to the ground. The F-1 car will beat it all around. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 796 Registered: 8-2002 |
 Crawford, you have too much time on your hands! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1168 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>3 liter V-10 F1 engine in a 308 (with NO chassis or suspension mods)<< That's an oxymoron. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1097 Registered: 10-2001 |
One thing I know for sure: if the road course wasn't too big, the F1 car would smoke the 308 even with 1/3rd the power. | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 180 Registered: 2-2003 |
Martin wrote: >how are you going to slow down the 308 with the F1 engine? With 308 brakes? The thought is suicide! Well, I disagree. For at least one lap. :-) I'm sure the stock 308 brakes couldn't take the hammering of slowing the car down from supersonic speeds around a road course for, say, a 30 minute session. But for one flying lap? Sure. Most road courses I've been on have 2-4 hard braking zones per lap. Could the 308 handle 2-4 really hard applications? Absolutely. They don't suck THAT badly! vty, --Dennis | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Junior Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 179 Registered: 2-2003 |
Interesting. Let's calculate power/weight ratios. A Ferrari formula one engine is now approaching 900 horsepower (source: Ross Brawn, 7/18/03). A 308qv produces 235 horsepower (optimistic, but factory quoted). A Ferrari formula one has a minimum weight, with driver, of 1323 lbs. A 308GTB qv has a quoted DRY weight of 3190lbs.; figure on an additional 200 lbs at least, so call it 3390lbs. Doing the math, we end up with the following power to weight ratios: 308 -- 3390/900 = 3.77 lbs./hp F1 -- 1323/235 = 5.63 lbs./hp This assumes that the weights of the engines are the same, which they're not. Changing our math to account for the heavier 308 engine would result in an even bigger advantage for the 308. Of course, power/weight isn't everthing. The F1 car runs stickier tires, even if they aren't slicks. Current Bridgestone F1 tires will hook up much more quickly; in 0-60, the 308 would spend a fair amount of time turning its Michelin TRX (or even modern street rubber) into particulates. 0-60, I'd wager on the F1 car, even with the worse power/weight ratio (think about how quickly, say, a Lotus Elise accelerates). For 0-100, the 308 starts to look awfully good. As for a road course, it will depend in part on the course selected. At a big "power" course, the 308 might do better in keeping up. But I'd certainly bet my money on the F1 car. vty, --Dennis | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5436 Registered: 5-2001 |
how are you going to slow down the 308 with the F1 engine? With 308 brakes? The thought is suicide! I would think the F1 car as well. Just becuase he can go full throttle all the way giving cornering capability of the GA2003 | ||
| Crawford White (Crawford)
Junior Member Username: Crawford Post Number: 131 Registered: 3-2003 |
Here's a hypothetical question... 308 QV engine in the current 2003 Ferrari F1 car 3 liter V-10 F1 engine in a 308 (with NO chassis or suspension mods) Which would have a quicker 0-60, 0-100?? I'd think the F1 car would win hands down on a road course - yes?? |