| Author | Message | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yes, Robert, it is indeed from Forza. I think it is a good deal. I'll know more after the PPI. Martin, you mean the 1985 Ferrari Mondial Convertible? It does look good! Red int. is not my favorite, but it seems to be a nice car. If for any reason this car turns out to be a problem I'll look into that. Thanks again, Sam | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5518 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also consider the car I have for sale: www.4Ferrari.com It is a Quattro Valvole not the 2v. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 600 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sam I believe that car belongs to a former Fchatter. He had traded his 78 Gtsi in for it. If it is the same car he got the mondial from Forza who I have always heard good things about. I see you posted you are having a PPI done this is always a must when buying a used car. JMO but you may want to drive a 2 valve Mondial to see how you feel about the power before you put money done. Best of luck. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2003 |
Thanks all, for your help. I ended up putting a deposit down, final purchase subject to a PPI. I was able to talk to the Ferrari mechanic in CT. that did work on this car. He saw it as recently as January. He was good enough to go over his notes with me for about a half hour. Bottom line, sounds like a solid car. That of course leaves the consensus that the 82 Mondial is a dog. That may be, but a 30K miles Ferrari with receipts and in good general shape in the teens is a deal to me (as an aside, I scoured the net looking for anything decent in the teens, including Mondials...nothing turned up). To make room for the car, I will be selling a 1994 Alfa Romeo 164LS. It has slightly less horsepower, weighs more, and has an automatic. THAT is sluggish. The Ferrari has got to be an improvement, and my gut tells me to go ahead. Thanks again for all your comments. I am sure I will be back asking plenty more questions! Sam | ||
| Norm (32storm)
New member Username: 32storm Post Number: 38 Registered: 5-2003 |
Sam, With a major, may be something else that comes up, IE: While it's out, how's the clutch? how are the wires? what about the water pump? do you want to freshen the heads? 4K for a major is a good general number. But, it's easy to run up the cost, especially since you're biting the bullet for the labor to drop and re-install rear sub-frame with drive-train. I agree with Dave's point that it can be best to buy someone's baby. if someone else dropped the $'s to do the service and maintain the car, you can be in a good position to come out further ahead vs. buying a cheap car, and dumping a pile of $'s to fix what may need to be fixed. This is why you can see a large swing in the prices on a given model, depending on level of service/maintance that the car has seen.Usually a "cheap" Ferrari to buy does not end up being a cheap Ferrari to own in the long run. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 362 Registered: 1-2002 |
All work on the 82 Mondial I mentioned has taken place just in the last 18 months at a Miller Motercars in Greenwich. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1452 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sam, A "basic" major service is $3k, but they almost always end up around $4k, as you end up rebuilding the water pump, replace rotted hoses and fix other stuff (brakes, etc.). I would look into the car for "low 20's". Buying someone else's "baby" that they spent huge dollars fixing up is always the way to go! | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 361 Registered: 1-2002 |
Sam. The cost for a full service is roughly 4k. I agree with all others here to buy the latest you can afford. With that said i do know a person who bought an 82 here in Connecticut thats looking to sell. He has done everything imaginable to the tune of 25k in repairs etc including new interior.. Asking low 20's i believe Djmonk@optonline if interested | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2003 |
Can anyone give me an idea of what a proper major service would cost on the 82 Mondial? I mean with both timing Belt AND tensioners replaced? Thanks! | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1442 Registered: 5-2001 |
Actually, begining with the 1978 308's (USA cars) the horsepower was rated at 205hp at the crank, it stayed this way until the 1983 QV was launched, when hp bumped up to 230hp. There is no significant difference in cost to maintain a 2v versus 4v car. | ||
| Norm (32storm)
New member Username: 32storm Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2003 |
i don't know what type of budget you are looking at. But, in terms of Mondials, an early Mondial 8 is not a very desirable model in the market. If you want a Mondial coupe, suggest you look at a QV or 3.2. The "T" coupe is a nice car, but rather rare in US. If you like the Mondial, you may want to look at the cabriolets. As these were only QV's, 3.2's or T's, they don't have the lower HP motor. As this model was much more popular then the coupe in the US, there are a number for sale in the market. Just a quick look at collector car trader online shows a number of cars, with various colors. miles, and prices for sale. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4307 Registered: 9-2001 |
well the early injected 308s do share the same power plant and are the lowest hp 308's but they are lighter than the mondials. no one in an early 308 though is going to win a drag race versus a current 270-300 hp car  | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 828 Registered: 2-2002 |
Tom, Does that stay true with the 80-82 308? Pat | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2003 |
Ouch! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4305 Registered: 9-2001 |
low on power will be in relation to some of today's honda, not just other f-cars. your talkin low 200s crank hp with additonal weight of a four seater | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 2 Registered: 7-2003 |
Thanks to all responding thus far. Yes, it is on e-bay. My biggest concern is somehow arranging a mechanical inspection before the end of the auction (car is in Fayetteville, NC, and I am in NY). The other is the 2 valve engine, and lack of power. If anyone has further input on that, I'd love to hear it. Granted, it may be low power for a Ferrari, but I wonder if with no other Ferrari to compare it to, it will feel OK. Also, is there any upside? Are the two valves cheaper to fix, maintain? Thanks again. Sam | ||
| Randolph Madamba (Pogibm)
Junior Member Username: Pogibm Post Number: 52 Registered: 8-2002 |
sam, check the service records very well. last major was in 98 by this time those cam belts are due for replacement, check the fuse box if it still has the original one on it i'm sure it will need to be replaced soon ($950-$1100 just for the box).I have an 82 mondial8 when i bought it 8years ago it had pretty much the same description as the car your looking at even had a ppi done before i got it,i have placed 7000 miles on it and about $12000 in service and repair. | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 225 Registered: 4-2002 |
Sam: I had a 1988 Mondial 3.2 Coupe which was a very nice car. It was pretty reliable and could seat four in a pinch so that was a bonus. I strongly recommend you not buy the Mondial 8 however. The engine is a 2 valve engine versus the later 4 valve which is WAY down on power and I suspect you could find a nice 4valve or even 3.2 model for not that much more. I just think you would find the 2 valve motor unsatifying IMHO. Good luck. Mark | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1432 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sam, This COULD be a good buy. The 2nd gear issue is common to all Ferraris, no worry there, and can often be reduced/eliminated by switching to Redline 75w-90 NS gear fluid. I just did this in my 328,and all is well, no cold 2nd gear shifting problem. I agree with Tillman's assesment that the car will require a major service in the next year or two. Generally, (based on time) most have this done between 5 and 7 years. Kind of depends on your own personal idea of how you want to take care of the car. Most have it done at 5 years, but many independant mechanics say you can stretch it to 6 or 7 years no problem. Some never do it, and miraculously, get by; others break the belt and cause $18,000 rebuilds! You probably want the "bottom line"; and Mondial 8 coupes are not very desireable, so this car is probably worth around $14 to $16k with the major service due. If it had a fresh service from a reputable facility, maybe $17 or $18k, this is all contingent on a clean pre-purchase inspection done by a Ferrari dealer or independant Ferrari repair shop, and the cosmetics meeting your standards. I might be a touch low on my pricing, but I don't see Mondial 8's very often...better to start low. :-) BTW, the oil consumption is pretty typical for the early eighties FI cars. I wouldn't worry about it, and just feed it oil. Someone on the list said they put a Krank Vent system on thier car that greatly reduced the car's oil comsumption, you can search the archives on that, but either way, oil is cheap. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-2002 |
That does sound like a fair amount of oil use- you need to make very sure the engine is healthy in this price range, because you will be in a very different price range if you buy it and find out its shot. I'm not sure the proper procedure is to drive it until the low oil light comes on-that may be part of the reason it uses oil now.Otherwise it sounds like a nice car. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4303 Registered: 9-2001 |
these are low on power especially with 4 people, 20 minutes for the 2nd synro sounds long, respray at factory should be documented, 1998 is not a recent major even with only 4k miles, he should monitor the oil before the cars light goes on, these cars are in the teens now | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 2194 Registered: 7-2001 |
Have to agree w/ Tillman, it's due for another service. Figure $2-$5k depending on where you are. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 842 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hmm, I know I've seen this exact description somewhere. Ebay maybe? Anyway, the service in 1998 means that one is due again per the "time and mileage" specs of 5 yrs/30000 miles. Make sure you factor that in. I can't speak directly to the oil usage, but my later model 328 doesn't burn oil like that. | ||
| Sam Germana (Sjmst)
New member Username: Sjmst Post Number: 1 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hi: I recently joined the Ferrari club. The only thing I now need is a Ferrari. The following car is for sale. I have read that these early Mondials are the least desirable. I also know to watch for electrical problems and power window gears. But I also know that proper maintenance history is important. I like the Mondials, for their relatively (for a Ferrari) low-key appearance and the ability to seat 4. Also, not insignificant, �low� price. I would appreciate anyone�s opinion of this car, based on this info. Should I be particularly concerned about the second gear issue? What would be a fair price for the car? Thanks very much! Seller�s Description: 1982 Mondial 8 All original, very nice coupe. A/C, PW, PL, heater, 4K old 30K service, 30,300 miles. Tools, Owner's Manual. A very nice, clean example of a 1982 Ferrari Mondial 8. I am the second owner of this Ferrari. The original owner sent this car back to the factory for a respray as he was not completely satisfied with the car upon delivery. The results are as nice in person as they are in the photos. The fore and aft bumpers are as they should be in a 1982 version; they are not painted. The badging with this car is correct, to include the "Mondial 8" insignia in the rear portion of the car; see the photos. I have maintenance records dating to 1987. The A/C blows cold. If you are looking for a 1982 Ferrari Mondial 8, in it's proper, original form, this is a smart choice. � The last major service (a 30K mile service) was completed on 24 April 1998 with an odometer reading of 25,787 miles. The car now has 30,280 miles. I have all maintenance records dating back to 1987. � The car does require an addition of approximately one to two litres every 600 miles which is par to the owners' manual. The car has a low oil sensor that illuminates a caution light within in the cockpit just behind the radio. I simply pull over, add oil (that I carry with me), let the car idle for a bit and then I am on my way again. � Second gear synchromesh in older Ferrari's (not sure about new ones) are known to be tight. Seasoned Ferrari drivers know to skip second gear until the oil is hot and thin enough to lubricate the tight teeth of the second gear snychromesh. I usually skip second for approximately the first 20 minutes depending on ambient temperature; longer in the winter and shorter in the summer. The car shifts into reverse nicely. |