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Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Post Number: 896
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 2:14 pm:   

Anything over 12 cylinders in "V" configuration will cause a crankshaft which is too long and will flex tremendously hence the "W" or "Triple V" configuration of Volkswagen.

The pre-war V16's ran at max RPM's lower than todays F1 idle speed so flexing wasn't that much of an issue.

Jack
Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
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Username: Mdb69

Post Number: 89
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:45 pm:   

There have been 16's in some production cars in the very distant past, and some 16's in show cars. (none in Ferraris) I would think the size and weight of anything bigger than 12's would limit any more of those engines in todays production cars.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5519
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:39 pm:   

Is there something like a 14cyl? or 16cyl?

just wondering why they stopped at 12 ???

Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Username: Artherd

Post Number: 676
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 1:56 am:   

JRK- I will picket the factory with you!

Best!
Ben.
J R K (Kenyon)
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Username: Kenyon

Post Number: 580
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 1:24 am:   

Bring back 12 cylinder to F1....
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Post Number: 674
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:48 am:   

Bart- smooth enough to be part of the chassis in the F50. A first for any road car.


Personally, I LOVE the V8 cars, and I LOVE the v and flat 12 cars!

Best!
Ben.
Bart Duesler (The_bart)
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Username: The_bart

Post Number: 254
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:33 am:   

One thing the V-12 has over any 4, 6, 8, or 10. That is it is smooth. Very smooth.
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
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Username: Tspringer

Post Number: 693
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 9:22 pm:   

I dont think any serious Ferrari historians actually believe Dino Ferrari was responsible for the "Dino" V6 racing engine. Vittorio Jano was working at Ferrari at the time and had done considerable engineering work toward a V6. While Dino was probably involved in the effort, to say he directed it and is responsible for it and guys like Jano operated as his psydo assistants is a bit absurd. More likely Enzo Ferrari claimed Dino was responsible after Dino was dead and in an effort to give the boy a measure of immortality. Largely an ego move in the traditional Enzo fashion.

Brock Yates book has a good bit of info on this topic. Its pretty convincing stuff. Remember.... taking what Enzo wrote as the gospel is, given his track record for accuracy vs ego, pretty risky.
rich stephens (Dino2400)
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Username: Dino2400

Post Number: 460
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 7:57 pm:   

There were a few V8 racing engines but many more V6s, with the V8 really taking over in the 308 road car era. All were considered "dino" engines.
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Post Number: 340
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 5:14 pm:   

Typo 60s I meant 50s

Writing about Dino in his memoirs, Enzo Ferrari stated, "For reasons of mechanical efficiency (Dino) had finally come to the conclusion that the engine should be a V6 and we accepted his decision".
Five months after Dino died, Ferrari created the 156 Dino engine, Ferrari developed an entire line of Dino engines over a 10 year period for F1,F2,sports racing, and Gt Road cars
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg

Post Number: 259
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:50 pm:   

jeff Dino Ferrari Didnt say that in the early 60's as he died in the early 50's!!!!!!
besides he's credited with deciding the layout of the Dino V6 not the V8
MarkPDX (Markpdx)
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:47 pm:   

Everybody knows REAL Ferraris have V-6s

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Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Post Number: 598
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:11 pm:   

I actually prefer the eight cylinder models over the twelves.....................O.K. I'm leaving now.............
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
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Username: Atheyg

Post Number: 339
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:04 pm:   

People that know little about Ferrari history say that.

Dino Ferrari stated in the early 60s that the 12 cylinder engine was inefficient and thus designed a series of 8 cylinder F1 engines that were very successful for the next 10 years
Kds (Kds)
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Username: Kds

Post Number: 92
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:34 pm:   

Heh...this means that Ferrari will have to recognize that market....looks like a V-10 is next with gold timing chains instead of belts.
Dave (Maranelloman)
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Username: Maranelloman

Post Number: 2447
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:33 pm:   

Snicker...chortle...smirk...must..resist..urge..to..erupt..laughing..Wayne.......

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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
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Post Number: 2212
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:25 pm:   

Tony, do a search for "Frank Parker."
gary green (Minuke)
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Username: Minuke

Post Number: 157
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:22 pm:   

When I was growing up the F-car enthusiast at that time did not reconize the 8 cylinder F-car as a true Ferrari. I know thing's have changed, are there still F-car enthusiast who feel this way or is this just a thing of the past.

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