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Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Member Username: Ferraristuff
Post Number: 896 Registered: 4-2003
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 2:14 pm: | |
Anything over 12 cylinders in "V" configuration will cause a crankshaft which is too long and will flex tremendously hence the "W" or "Triple V" configuration of Volkswagen. The pre-war V16's ran at max RPM's lower than todays F1 idle speed so flexing wasn't that much of an issue. Jack |
Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
Junior Member Username: Mdb69
Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:45 pm: | |
There have been 16's in some production cars in the very distant past, and some 16's in show cars. (none in Ferraris) I would think the size and weight of anything bigger than 12's would limit any more of those engines in todays production cars. |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5519 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:39 pm: | |
Is there something like a 14cyl? or 16cyl? just wondering why they stopped at 12 ???
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Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd
Post Number: 676 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 1:56 am: | |
JRK- I will picket the factory with you! Best! Ben. |
J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 580 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 1:24 am: | |
Bring back 12 cylinder to F1.... |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd
Post Number: 674 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:48 am: | |
Bart- smooth enough to be part of the chassis in the F50. A first for any road car. Personally, I LOVE the V8 cars, and I LOVE the v and flat 12 cars! Best! Ben. |
Bart Duesler (The_bart)
Member Username: The_bart
Post Number: 254 Registered: 1-2003
| Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2003 - 12:33 am: | |
One thing the V-12 has over any 4, 6, 8, or 10. That is it is smooth. Very smooth. |
Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer
Post Number: 693 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 9:22 pm: | |
I dont think any serious Ferrari historians actually believe Dino Ferrari was responsible for the "Dino" V6 racing engine. Vittorio Jano was working at Ferrari at the time and had done considerable engineering work toward a V6. While Dino was probably involved in the effort, to say he directed it and is responsible for it and guys like Jano operated as his psydo assistants is a bit absurd. More likely Enzo Ferrari claimed Dino was responsible after Dino was dead and in an effort to give the boy a measure of immortality. Largely an ego move in the traditional Enzo fashion. Brock Yates book has a good bit of info on this topic. Its pretty convincing stuff. Remember.... taking what Enzo wrote as the gospel is, given his track record for accuracy vs ego, pretty risky. |
rich stephens (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400
Post Number: 460 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 7:57 pm: | |
There were a few V8 racing engines but many more V6s, with the V8 really taking over in the 308 road car era. All were considered "dino" engines. |
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg
Post Number: 340 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 5:14 pm: | |
Typo 60s I meant 50s Writing about Dino in his memoirs, Enzo Ferrari stated, "For reasons of mechanical efficiency (Dino) had finally come to the conclusion that the engine should be a V6 and we accepted his decision". Five months after Dino died, Ferrari created the 156 Dino engine, Ferrari developed an entire line of Dino engines over a 10 year period for F1,F2,sports racing, and Gt Road cars |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 259 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:50 pm: | |
jeff Dino Ferrari Didnt say that in the early 60's as he died in the early 50's!!!!!! besides he's credited with deciding the layout of the Dino V6 not the V8 |
MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx
Post Number: 155 Registered: 4-2003
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:47 pm: | |
Everybody knows REAL Ferraris have V-6s
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Robert McNair (Rrm)
Member Username: Rrm
Post Number: 598 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:11 pm: | |
I actually prefer the eight cylinder models over the twelves.....................O.K. I'm leaving now............. |
jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg
Post Number: 339 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 4:04 pm: | |
People that know little about Ferrari history say that. Dino Ferrari stated in the early 60s that the 12 cylinder engine was inefficient and thus designed a series of 8 cylinder F1 engines that were very successful for the next 10 years |
Kds (Kds)
Junior Member Username: Kds
Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:34 pm: | |
Heh...this means that Ferrari will have to recognize that market....looks like a V-10 is next with gold timing chains instead of belts. |
Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman
Post Number: 2447 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:33 pm: | |
Snicker...chortle...smirk...must..resist..urge..to..erupt..laughing..Wayne.......
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L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 2212 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:25 pm: | |
Tony, do a search for "Frank Parker." |
gary green (Minuke)
Junior Member Username: Minuke
Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2003
| Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2003 - 3:22 pm: | |
When I was growing up the F-car enthusiast at that time did not reconize the 8 cylinder F-car as a true Ferrari. I know thing's have changed, are there still F-car enthusiast who feel this way or is this just a thing of the past. |