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| Tenney (Tenney)
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The F40 doesn't have a ton of low-end torque but it doesn't have a huge amount of turbo lag, either (see: mid/late '70's Porsche Turbo). However, what lag there is is exacerabated by the sheer amount of power on the high end of the rev range. One way to manage this is to keep the revs up and stay in the boost at least a little bit any time you're giving the car the business. That way, no sudden surprises. One of the all-time great driving cars, IMO. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Kevin, I hope your F50 get fixed soon! How often do you drive it when it's not in the shop? The Enzo connection with the F40 and its edgy turbo performance appeals to me. My black Modena's at Ferrari of Seattle now for the 5K service, new tires, and a minor repair. Hopefully, I could get it back sometimes next week. It feels weird NOT having a Ferrari to play with. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
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Hey Willis! The F50 "always at ferrari of seattle" is mine. The synchro's got screwed up which caused some serious downshifting problems from 4th to 3rd and from 3rd to second. The car has been there since May. The first major delay was that some of the parts necessary to do the repair needed to be forged and sent from italy. They have these parts now but alas, there is a calibration tool needed to set things properly and there is only one such tool in existance. Again, this is comin from italy. The other f50 that *was* there was sold by an aggressive seller, I think to somewhere in Oregon. For some time there was an F40 right next to it. As for comparing the F40 to F50, the production numebrs I have seen around are probably pretty close. The F40 prices have steadily been increasing for some time. The F40 was the last car ferrari made before Enzo died, so it is viewed by many as his epitaph, hence the price/#'s. The F50, otoh is quite a different car. The F40 is a v8 turbo whilst the F50 is just a big V12. Of course, this causes some serious driving problems in the F40 for handling because you get a big boost of power unexpectedly. The F50 is just power when you need it (although it kicks in real nice around 4K rpm's. I find shifting around 6.5-7K in the 1-3rd gears works best for setting up the next gear to be in the 4K pocket, but of course if you know you're going to be slowing down real soon then you can take it to the 8.5K redline. Effectively, around a track, the F50 will eat an F40. in a striaght line the F40 would probably take an F50. BTW, with the mysticism surrounding the F60 finding its way to magazines such as automobile, I suspect that there will probably be some price increases on both, F40 and F50's. Keep in mind the F50s were only sold to selected customers, and it's quite likely the F60 will be the same. The f60 also has the added bonus of "having the schumacher influence in design" which could also make it more desireable. The F50's came out originally on two year leases (with resale restrictions), and I would expect something similar with the F60's. Therefore the people who have their deposit on the F60 and don't get one (probably like me  ) will certainly consider an F40 or F50 (hence the price increase) | ||
| David (Supraoz)
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I have to send these post about driving F40's to my friend who recently purchased a 91 with 126 miles. Yes 126 miles. The interior still had the plastic over the panels! He has turned it on a few times and maybe moved it a few inches in his garage. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Plus the F40 is a balls to the wall, bare minimum car, the F50 is much more comfortable and easier to drive. And from my point of view, harder to drive and less comfort are a good thing in a Ferrari. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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Yeah the F40 is a car that you can drive like you stole it. From what I hear parts are hard to come by, but I'm sure there is still a market for them. Yeah the F40 is the tried and true Ferrari 3 liter V-8 set up, just twin turboed so for all intensive purposes it should be a relatively reliable car with all the years put into it (all the 3L engines, the 288GTO, and 288 Evoluzione). The F50 is based on an F1 car (hello, is there a less reliable type of car (excluding the French made Le Car). The engine is derived from the 1990 F1 engine and it is the first and only Ferrari road car to have a carbon fiber tub. Take a look at the engine compartment of one sometime, sweet goodness I'm glad I don't have to work on that. The suspension alone is nuts (torsion bars, adjustable shocks with remote reservoirs, etc). But I'll still dream of having one someday. I guess they have to run pretty well or people would be pissed about paying that kind of $$$ for a car that doesn't run, but still the F40 is the better choice if you want to actually drive it a lot. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Typical asking prices for F50s are about 750k. I don't know how much they really sells for though. Speaking of F50s. Ferrari of Seattle have one particular F50 that's always there getting something fixed. A couple of months ago, they had 2 of them in the service bay at the same time. I'm not sure if it means they break often or something else. I prefer F40 over F50. | ||
| William_Huber (Solipsist)
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I'm trying to still figure out why 355's are selling for so much. Some prices are getting out of hand. It's the most basic Ferrari & there are way too many on the market. Especially the spyders & berlinettas. Will this doom the 360 as well? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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I would too, but if you can afford an f40 you probably already have an M5 and a 360. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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An F50 goes for about 500k right? I thought an F40 was less then half of that price. For 200k, I would get an M5 as a daily driver, and either a used 550 or a used 360 | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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That's a good question that I've had myself. For the money I would just get a F50. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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How come they are worth so much money if they made so many of them (or at least relatively compared to F50, etc)? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I try to keep stuff like this updated on "Model List" to the left, although I need to update everything. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
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Cavallino lists total as 1315. Approx: 200-250 were U.S. cars. | ||
| Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
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It is indeed said that Ferrari made 349 F50s, but this is not completely true. Yes, I know that most F50s have a small plate on it which says "number xxx/349", but the funny thing is that not ALL cars have such a plate. I don't have the exact information here, but there are 8 cars or so which were built BEFORE #001/349. This includes two prototypes, several "introduction cars" (all of them wearing serialnumber 99999) and a few others. Also: AFTER they finished #349/349 they made several more F50s (15 or so) and a large number of them went to (yes, it's him again) the Sultan of Brunei. So, in fact Ferrari made several more F50s than the official number of 349. Of course, you may simply call them "pre-production cars" and "post-production cars" ;-) But as your question was about the number of F40s made: as far as I know, Jorma is right that this number is 1311. | ||
| Jorma Johansson (Jjfinland)
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F40 1987 - 1992 Number built 1311 | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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How many F40s were made? I've been trying to find out and can't really dig it up, I know the F50 was 349, but there had to be more F40s than that. The F40 is my dream Ferrari, so many F40 owners drive their cars like Enzo intended whereas F50s are all put in bubbles and collected for the most part. Someday maybe I'll be able to get one, but for now dreaming will have to do... |