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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup

Post Number: 934
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 3:39 pm:   

When a car (say your typical Ferrari) is designed to be driven hard on a race track (as say your typical Ferrari) and has been on a race track and has been driven hard: Has this car been abused?

Answer: No.

When a car (you typical domestic) that has not been designed to be driven on a race trace has been driven hard on a race track: Has this car been abused?

Answer: Yes!

Its not the race track that is important, it is how the car was designed, how it has been maintained, and whether it has been operated outside of the design parameters.
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5579
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 2:25 pm:   

Example:
drive a car that has been cared for to the point that the owner has not driven the car more than 200 Miles a year and never reved over 3500RPM.

Have fun!

Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5578
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 2:24 pm:   

If you ask me you can see if a car has been cared for in its interior. My wife was actually the one years ago that came up with that trick and I must say she has been right 90% of the time when it comes to this.
The interior is cared for the car is cared for.

The car will not break if it has seen a burnout or two. The clutch will suffer and the flywheel may get rubbed down but both can be replaced.

The question is whould you pay as much for a cared car as an abused and the answer here is pretty clear!

John Perry (Perryaviation)
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Username: Perryaviation

Post Number: 36
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 2:16 pm:   

Martin, I guess that is what started my thinking on the topic, should I be concerned with buying a car that has had abuse, Or everything repairable so who cares, clutches, rotors, trans. ?? Since you are in the business, you are a perfect person to answer this, should I be concerned with how the car has been cared for.??

Also keep a lookout for a nice 308 QV or 328 for me ;-)

Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
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Username: Miami348ts

Post Number: 5573
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 2:02 pm:   

Harder driven....what a term!

It is a car, mechanical and needs to be driven.

Which car would you rather buy, Michael Schumachers 2002 Championship car and engine or the T-car for that year?

If the clutch is gone you replace it. As long as it has been driven...for crying out loud!
John Perry (Perryaviation)
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Username: Perryaviation

Post Number: 35
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 1:51 pm:   

Philip, great point, I guess I was looking at it from the fact that most people who drive 100k models would be someone who has worked very hard over a longer period (excluding: .goners and members of the lucky sperm club) and therefore would appreciate them more because it took a bigger effort to be in a position to be able to buy those models. I just hate to see great cars get thrashed by people (rock stars/rappers) who just treat them as whores, have a few great moments of ecstacy then toss em away. truly sad, but hey on the other hand I dont know what it would be like to have that kinda disposable income. ;-)
philip (Fanatic1)
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Username: Fanatic1

Post Number: 358
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 1:31 pm:   

I think the opposite is true........just a guess, people who spend 40,0000.00 probably got an entry level, because it's all they could afford and therefore "appreciate" the car more.......people who could affor a six figure car probably have the money to maintain it, abuse it, rebuild it and fix it..........I guess there are good points on both sides of the argument.....then of course there are the people that are worth millions and buy a 40k "beater"...that bought the car to trash........I'm sure there are plenty of people on both sides.......ferrari ownership is really a game of passion first, economics second
gary green (Minuke)
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Username: Minuke

Post Number: 185
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 1:30 pm:   

John,

I think it depends more on the owner of the car than what model they drive.
John Perry (Perryaviation)
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Username: Perryaviation

Post Number: 34
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 1:24 pm:   

Do you all think that "entry" level Ferraris (308,328,Mondy's) are driven harder than "higher" level cars such 348,TRs,355's,360's ??
I guess what I would think that someone who buys a 4x,000 dollar 328 would come closer to abuseing it (burnouts, hard starts/stops) compared to someone who paid 100k or more for a more expensive model.

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