| Author | Message | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Intermediate Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 1657 Registered: 12-2002 |
Front engine 12 cyl.  Gotta love the 250 and 330 series cars! | ||
| Me Myself (Kid_enzoz)
Junior Member Username: Kid_enzoz Post Number: 135 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think the P4 is the epitome of Ferrari due to it's history. But I think the Enzo is a close second. It's the epitome of Ferrari now, F1 wins and all, V12, F1 shifter, active aero, etc. The prez once said (after the F50 was done) that his favorite Ferrari is the 'next one' the one that follows. I think every era has had a great car though, from the 250 GTO, to the 288 GTO/F40s. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1870 Registered: 11-2002 |
Not to sound like a geek stuck in a time machine with the knob firmly stuck on reverse...but... When I think Colombo engines I think more along the lines of 166, Testa Rossa, 250GTO, LM, 275, etc. I think these really set the stage, not so much the 330 or even the 365s. Cheers | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2002 |
in response to thad's post - it is probably easier to name the Ferraris between the mid-1950s and early-1970s that did NOT have the Colombo twin-cam v-12. -the Lampredi 4-cyl. sports racers (500 Mondial, 500 TR(C), 625, 735, 750 Monza) -the Lampredi big-block v-12s(400, 410, 500 Supers) -the Dino family cars -the Colombo 4-cam motors (275GTB/4, 365GTB/4, 365GTC/4) | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 148 Registered: 8-2002 |
The Colombo-designed twin-cam v-12 has to be THE quintessential Ferrari motor. It is stupefying to think of all the great Ferraris that have the dna of the original Colombo 250. That design and its variants (275, 330, 365) dominated motorsport for an amazing ten+ years. re: DES's side note - there was a six cylinder Ferrari that was not in the Dino family - the straight six of the 121LM. | ||
| thad brown (Thadbrown)
New member Username: Thadbrown Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2003 |
It appears that the engine that most represents Ferrari is the V-12. Dave mentioned the Columbo engine, so what cars had the Columbo engine? The 308 body style is what I fell in love with first. It was also the first and only Ferrari I have had a chance to drive. I would love to get a good detailed, schematic, exploded, line drawing whatever of any Ferrari engine. I am going to make a print for my wall so any help please. Thanks everyone Thad | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1518 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thad, In terms of engine; the epitome of Ferrari is the V-12 Columbo engine, no question. When it comes to Ferrari body styles, the decision can become somewhat murky (for me). After much thought, I would have to say the "definitive Ferrari body style" is the Pininfarina 308 GTS/GTB. This car MADE Ferrari a world wide brand, and is easily the most recognizable car the Ferrari has every made. It continues to be "fresh" and modern looking, even today. Are there more "classic" Ferraris for the "dyed in the wool" Ferrarista? Of course, but I would have to say the 308 was a true milestone in Ferrari history. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2291 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dom Made by Ferrari badged by Ferrari as Dinos. Great value for the $. | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 362 Registered: 11-2002 |
James, So in your opinion, is the GT4 a ferrari or a dino? Dom (opening up an old can of worms) | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2289 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des There were 6 cyl Ferrari's. There were 4 cyl Ferrari's. There were 12 cyl Dino's. If Ferrari badged it as a Ferrari it's a Ferrari. If Ferrari badged it as a Dino it's a Dino. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5557 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, i understand that the Dinos are not technically Ferraris and so forth but they were still made by Ferrari, just badged differently... If i had a Dino and entered it in a Ferrari-only contest, would it lose points 'cause it's a Dino...? Would they not even register it as a contestant...? James, on a side note, didn't Ferrari do some 6 cylindar experiments with Ferraris...? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1868 Registered: 11-2002 |
12s are the way to go. Maybe not so much with the later cars, but history dictates 12s are Ferrari's best friends. This one I feel not only encapsulates the epitome of Ferrari but also is my personal favorite. Body style-wise when I think Ferrari I think of those clear air covers with the velocity stacks sticking through the hood. Either that or old footage/stories of the TRs battling the DBR1s, so I'm biased towards those cars. Although as far as a car to be driven realistically on the road...the 250LMs bigger brother which retains the same body style for me please: 275LM. In short, my personal preference is the 275LM, but I think that the definitive body style is a matter of age group or appreciation for history. Contemporary folks will lean towards the 80s-90s TR, while the old car guys will prefer the ones from the 50s. If you mean definitive as in when Ferrari was alive and calling the shots, then the older race cars are the only watermark. In that case the TRs and such definitely take the cake. Cheers | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2287 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des Because it's a Dino. Ferrari built it but they badged it as a Dino. IMHO that one isn't even the epitone Dino. My vote would go to the Shark Nose. | ||
| denied (Ragtop)
New member Username: Ragtop Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2003 |
DES, a Dino is not a Ferrari in much the same way that a Toyota is not a Lexus. Dino was a separate brand used to keep the 6 cylinder engined cars from 'sullying' the name of Ferrari. From what I know (which is little), Ferrari eventually did away with the Dino marque entirely. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5550 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mr. G., how is the Dino 206SP not a Ferrari...? Kinda funny that Chris mentioned it, i mentioned the same car here... It's gorgeous... Chris, i don't suppose you have any pictures you could post...? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2861 Registered: 2-2001 |
as for the early cars the GTO is nice but I'd have a 57 Pontoon TR instead | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2281 Registered: 10-2002 |
As usual William is correct. Chris The car you mentioned isn't a Ferrari. | ||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 677 Registered: 3-2002 |
206SP Dino | ||
| Paul Bianco (Paulie_b)
Member Username: Paulie_b Post Number: 576 Registered: 1-2003 |
Best looking, to this day, is the TR. Best engine is the 12 cyl. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2858 Registered: 2-2001 |
Best looking car ever is the 330 P4 which has a V12 As for road cars I like th 512TR best, I like it so much I have 2 | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 187 Registered: 2-2003 |
v-12 250 GTO ferrari.com has some nice tech drawings (not exploded, but schematics) of some of their engines.. try this link... if it doesnt work go to ferrari.com click on 'CARS' then '456m' then on the left there is "Technical Drawings' then 'zoom' and the full drawing will appear in a new window... there are 2 side elevation drawings of the engine and one cadcam of the body design. The 60 has 2 for the engine. Option not available for the 575. http://www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/ferrariworld/scripts/gt/production/cars_oggi_image.jsp?reference=456M_TD&listindex=0§ion=tech GT | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 820 Registered: 9-2002 |
P4 | ||
| thad brown (Thadbrown)
New member Username: Thadbrown Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2003 |
In your opinion, what is the epitome of Ferrari in terms of engine? Is it the boxer, the v-12, the v-8, the 6? Also what is the definitive Ferrari in body styles? The Testarossa, GTO, F40? One last thing, if you have an exploded or technical view of the engine a link or file would be great. Thanks a lot guys. Thad Brown |