| Author | Message | ||
| Chris Coffing (Valence)
Junior Member Username: Valence Post Number: 147 Registered: 3-2003 |
Taek-ho, what is the name of your company? I remember you questioning me a bit when we started selling the c/f 360 F1 paddles. -Chris | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 691 Registered: 6-2002 |
Faisal- 3 24"monitors, an 8 foot projector, and usually the laptop's LCD too here  . Different machines though, and not always all at once. I want to get some of Apple's 23" Cimena HD displays. Tired of lugging 24" CRTs around the office. Grid sounds like a good idea! The more intimately immersed in data we can be, the better I think. At least if we can still turn it on and off at will Best! Ben. | ||
| adrian low (Audionut)
Member Username: Audionut Post Number: 332 Registered: 4-2003 |
Faisal... You need help! LOL | ||
| Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member Username: Tvrfreak Post Number: 771 Registered: 3-2003 |
Got two 20" flat panels...thinking of going for a 2X2 or 3X3 grid! You can never have too much info! If I play tic-tac-toe on a 2X2 grid, who'd win? | ||
| IamA (Ski_bum)
Junior Member Username: Ski_bum Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ken, get 9, and make a tic-tac-toe pattern!! <grin> What video cards do you use? | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 689 Registered: 6-2002 |
The cost of tooling alone to make the front fender single-piece would cost in the $hundreds-of-thousands of dollars. (unless I am not reading it right and they did not make a single piece from the doors to the bumper...) The front bumper would have been made in one piece as well, and the air vents would not be rivited on.... Real light-weight race parts are fastned with Dzus fastners, very visable. (so the part can be made much lighter as not to have to deal with the point forces of a gas charged strut or any kind of poviot...) No, this is almost definately a tape job. The reflectivity of the fibers is just wrong too. They are not that... My conclusion: Someone tarted up their 360CH (all other bits are straight CH.) Definately a weird car though! Would love to be wrong about it. Ken- While carbon can be laid up much like a 'snobby fiberglass', the material's real stregnth comes from highly compressed high-carbon content laminates (as Taek said.) Wet layup, while it works, dosen't give you many of this material's benefits. I like to use a prepreg system, where teh epoxy is already mixed and embuled withing the carbon cloth in a 40-50% resin content. You can gain some back by vacum baging your wet layup however. This removes excess expoxy and also extracts errant air bubles, and lastly conforms your layup to your tool much better! (and it's pretty cheap, $300 in supplies will get you bagging, wheras prepreg's minimum buy-in is about $2k for a full roll. Then you need frozen sotrage, a programable cureing oven, full vac supplies, etc. There's a reason the F1 level carbon is so expensive :P) I recomend using 4-5 layers minimum for most use. My 2mm panels in one product are no less than *10* layers of T700 12k (thick stuff.) they are quite strong, and ring like a ceramic when smacked with a wrench! Best! Ben. | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ski_bum, yes, I have 3 17" LCDs on 1 computer. Multi-display setups are addicting. Once you get used to it, you just want more and more desktop space. I've been thinking of adding a pair of 15" LCDs soon. | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 124 Registered: 12-2002 |
Taek-Ho, don't sweat it.... I don't take any of your comments as being the least bit offensive. My loosely justified excuse for buying the CF kit is to build something that allows me to carry a camera on my RC helicopter. Initially, I hadn't considered making any CF car parts, but after boiling my brake fluid at a track day recently, I'm thinking brake duct inlets might be a good one... but if I don't improve my CF fabrication skills or figure out what I'm doing wrong, I wouldn't even trust anything I make for that. I certainly would not trust my own fabrication skills or this kit to anything the least bit critical. | ||
| Robby (Rsb204)
New member Username: Rsb204 Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2003 |
That's a damn nice car, can I take it for a spin?? haha | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 865 Registered: 8-2001 |
I don't think the car is made of carbon fiber. The car in the picture runs in the Japanese Touring Car Championship with heavily modified Toyota Supras, Nissan Skylines, Acura NSX's and a whole host of other Japanese machinery. I don't think the rules allow for the us of carbon fiber bodies. Most of the cars in the 500 class make about 500-600 hp while the smaller 300 class (MR2's, S2000's, Porsche GT3's) make 300-400 hp. Regards, Jon P.Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1891 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm neither Solly, I'm just a very "special" boy.  AND a ninja! Cheers | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 546 Registered: 6-2001 |
Taek- viewed your website with interest and astonishment. You are either a genius or a certifiable lunatic. I need more time to decide which. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 937 Registered: 4-2002 |
If you look into the strength of materials, you will find that a pannel that is 2X as thick will have 16X the bending moment! That is until the laminating material (expoy in this case) reaches its yeild limit. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1889 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ken, >>The 1st two sheets are a single layer thick and about as flexible as thin plastic.... certainly not strong enough for much. The middle sheet is HIGHLY resistant to tearing, but the first one is very brittle and cracks easily. The last sheet is two layers thick and I used a lot of extra epoxy. It's MUCH MUCH stiffer than the other two. It feels about as strong as quarter-inch plywood.<< Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think this is being done right or your materials are not very good at all. The epoxy is not what should make carbon strong. As a matter of fact, the epoxy is kind of the "weak link". The carbon should indeed be as thick as a board, but not because of epoxy. Don't want to be a prick, I just want to mention this in case you got the carbon to do any sort of structural work (which includes body panels and stuff you wouldn't even think is important to the car). This stuff is not exactly something you want to tamper with unless you have the right tools and personnel. Our engineers have years of training just making the stuff after all the research has been done by the "nerds". Now if you just want to make cosmetic parts then you can literally make these bits out of your own home. Probably not economical though since, through all the trial and error materials cost you'd be better off just buying the thing in carbon. Cheers | ||
| Ken Thomas (Future328driver)
Member Username: Future328driver Post Number: 504 Registered: 12-2001 |
That is not carbon fiber - it is tape. Look at the front spolier on the lower right side of the car and you can see how the tape is rippled around the corners and edges. Look like sh*t to me. | ||
| IamA (Ski_bum)
Junior Member Username: Ski_bum Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ken, 3 monitors @ once? You da man!!! Same PC, or seperate? | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 123 Registered: 12-2002 |
Not to stray too off topic, but..... I've been experimenting with a carbon-fiber fabrication kit I bought online. All it is is a bolt of CF fabric, a bottle of epoxy resin, and a bottle of hardener... and a few sheets of printed instructions. So far, I've only made flat CF sheets, and I haven't had very good results. Here's a pic of my experiments so far:  The 1st two sheets are a single layer thick and about as flexible as thin plastic.... certainly not strong enough for much. The middle sheet is HIGHLY resistant to tearing, but the first one is very brittle and cracks easily. The last sheet is two layers thick and I used a lot of extra epoxy. It's MUCH MUCH stiffer than the other two. It feels about as strong as quarter-inch plywood. Anyway.... I need to experiment more, but I haven't had time lately. I also want to test the stuff for heat tolerance and burn resistance. Interesting stuff. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
New member Username: Wax Post Number: 41 Registered: 7-2003 |
Fake. Even if all you have is Microsoft Paint: Save the pic, 2x it. Observe in even more obvious detail the red hood in 4 places, the smudge/stippling on the front right fender & bumper, the different shade of black on the door, the cut'n paste mirror above said door, (as MarkPDX pointed out), the red-lined windowsill on the driver's side, the reddish left front bumper, the...  | ||
| IamA (Ski_bum)
Junior Member Username: Ski_bum Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mark, awesome site (wade). Wish I had some artistic talent, best I could do is stick figures! :-( | ||
| IamA (Ski_bum)
Junior Member Username: Ski_bum Post Number: 127 Registered: 12-2002 |
Years ago (60's?), National Geographic did a story on gold, and they had a solid gold frying pan. The author said gold had the most even heating surface and cooked perfect eggs. Hows the price differential between gold and cf? :-) | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1888 Registered: 11-2002 |
One of the things I do know we are working on is funky composite stuff that needs to be made affordable yet have incredible hot/cold, wet/dry resilience. Obviously the benefits would be huge for both marine and aerospace. We're talking carbon that can withstand heats in the thousands of degrees Fahrenheit (it already exists, but one can always improve...), not hundreds. My intention is of course to make the lightest frying pan in the market, but carbon's heat retention properties don't provide an even cooking surface...  Cheers | ||
| Coop (360)
Junior Member Username: 360 Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2002 |
Team Info here: http://www.ferrari.ne.jp/jimgainer/top.html http://www.jgtc.net/race/2003/03team/03tm011.htm More pics here... (None C/F) http://www.wasurena.sakura.ne.jp/~makotaro/car/p.cgi?id=2003041271203011GT93F06.jpg&type=team&lang=en http://garage7191.fc2web.com/ms_photo/03gt_test_0412/300/300_03.html http://www.redangels.nara.nara.jp/~toyboy/photo/car/round2/gt300/no011/no011.html  | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1887 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mark, I'm not an engineer. Just a guy who dropped some coin on this company. I can find out, although I would risk sounding like a moron...I usually like to be at the helm at least a year before they all figure out I'm stupid. By then everyone's invested too much "sweat equity" to jump ship, so they keep plugging away! We do stuff for the marine industry as well as aerospace. Our clientelle is extremely diverse, recreational yachting to top shelf stuff, including government projects. We get to use technology that other more common carbon fiber companies don't even know exist. If you MUST know...we make little animal silhouettes out carbon fiber of them and sell them as key chains in a gas station near you! Cheers | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 193 Registered: 4-2003 |
Kind of off topic... Taek Does your company have experience with electron beam curing? Is it standard industry stuff by now? | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1886 Registered: 11-2002 |
That's kind of what I thought. There are very very very few places that can do this sort of carbon work outside of F1 teams. And these places probably won't do it because they are bogged down with other work. Unless of course you go the cheap carbon composites route. But you NEVER want to go the cheap route in any stress bearing carbon fiber bits. More money is spent on testing the carbon pieces than on any other part of the process. Including research and development. Would hate to see the lawsuit on a splintering carbon fiber hood. OUCH! Cheers | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2003 |
Coop Are there any more pictures of the thing? Nothing conclusive but I kind of think the think is photochop carbon fiber on a modified 360 body. From looking at the higher res version at S2K I would be about 70% certain. A few things look fishy... This reflection in the window looks like a 355/348 facing the other direction.  These reflections look odd to me.  I wish there were more pics to make it easier to figure out, if it was real that is one cool car. There are some interesting tutorials on car stuff including fake cf here And for anyone who doubts the power of photoshop check out this out. Follow through all six pages, it is amazing. | ||
| Coop (360)
Junior Member Username: 360 Post Number: 149 Registered: 4-2002 |
So far I found out it's racing in the GT300 group, whatever that means... Stand by for more... http://www.jgtc.net/race/2003/03r3e/033entry_en.htm 11 JIM RodeoDrive ADVAN F360 FERRARI 360 MODENA / GF-F360 / F129B Hideshi Matsuda Tetsuya Tanaka TEAM GAINER TODA RACING | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 875 Registered: 11-2002 |
This a very different looking body shell to a F360. Look at the flared arches around the front wheels, and how the whole car is sitting way lower. No way that is standard or photo shopped F360. This looks to me like a highly modified F360 for track only ... whether that is real carbon or not. Thus IMO sweet!!! Pete | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2003 |
Taek A person who is good with Photoshop can very easily fake the carbon fiber look. There are some good web sites with tutorials on exactly how to do it. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1207 Registered: 1-2002 |
I don't think that's carbon fiber. I think it's tape. Just my opinion. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1885 Registered: 11-2002 |
Tim, >>I bet its extremely cheap to make that body... << This was a joke, right? I recently purchased a majority stake in a carbon fiber company that can easily do this (no automotive parts), and it is NOT cheap! There's cheap ways to make carbon and then there's a real way to make it. Even if they did this the cheap way it would be expensive. Now if they did it the hard core way...wow The carbon looks layered poorly in some places though. I don't think the entire car is carbon (not so obvious since the carbon could be painted red). The composites would not be able to bond to the steel roof that seamlessly (even though its tough to tell in a picture of this low resolution). Is it just me or does this look photoshopped? I think I've seen this exact car in pictures but its fully red. Cheers | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 3318 Registered: 6-2001 |
I bet its extremely cheap to make that body... Was the car originaly red? It seems that way because the roof is probably still made of steel and in the origianl color, the headlights are red, and the mirrors are red. Thats more impressive than the carbon fiber porsche body posted here a few times. | ||
| Ken A (Zff)
Junior Member Username: Zff Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2002 |
What, they're not going to have the sense to paint it? | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 101 Registered: 6-2002 |
yuk!! | ||
| Chris (Ecsplosive)
Junior Member Username: Ecsplosive Post Number: 57 Registered: 7-2003 |
•••• yea!!! Thats the meanest looking beauty i've ever seen. Can you say Ferrari Chat Car of the Month?? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 846 Registered: 9-2002 |
WOW I posted a thread with a porsche CF body..but damn this takes it to the next level! | ||
| Amir H. (355spiderman)
Junior Member Username: 355spiderman Post Number: 137 Registered: 5-2002 |
Drooool!!!  | ||
| Augustine J. Staino (Azzuro328)
Junior Member Username: Azzuro328 Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2003 |
That is awesome! | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 88 Registered: 2-2003 |
Actually I hijacked this picture from http://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140998 No one there knew anything about it. So I thought I might try to dig up some information from more informed sources ;) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5568 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hot DAAAAMN, that car looks sweet...!!! Someone was recently asking for pictures of 360s with wings - here it is, dude...! Sorry i can't cotribute any worthwhile info Dave, just wanted to say thanks for posting - awesome car, really... Did you get to see it in person or... (?) Any details...? | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
Junior Member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 87 Registered: 2-2003 |
This may be a repost, and I apologize if it is. But I was wondering if anyone has seen this car before? Advanced Thanks,  |