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Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member
Username: Rumordude
Post Number: 185
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 2:21 am: | |
Heh, no that's backwards. I view ebay just like the options market: the buyer has all the rights and the seller has none. especially a questionable one. Imagine if I won! "No, I will not be providing you a payment address, you must use paypal".
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Faisal Khan (Tvrfreak)
Member
Username: Tvrfreak
Post Number: 781
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 12:33 am: | |
Well, there could be a concern about giving out one's telephone numbers to strangers on the internet. Maybe you could give him yours instead, and ask him to call?
Personally, I would tell him and his frosty ass to take a hike. |
Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member
Username: Rumordude
Post Number: 183
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 12:05 am: | |
I have been ripped off on ebay too many times (even though i bought my challenge car off ebay), to be uninquisitive nowadays. One prick took me for about $1500 on some gold coins last year, so now I am extra cautious in that area. So I email this one dude explaining that I was concerned about his 95% feedback rating and lack of recent transaction history and the possibility that this could be a scam. So I asked him for a phone number that i could call him at just to chat for amoment and make sure there is at least someone there. The response?:
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #3039853073
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Not sure I like the implication of determining wheter or not I am a "scammer". I will
not be providing you a phone number. Please review my feedback which should suffice
in making your determination. Feel free to bid or not bid based on that.
Thanks.
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Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
Junior Member
Username: Leepierce
Post Number: 197
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 11:54 pm: | |
Neat car, though, that Espada. I wouldn't touch something that rare though unless I owned my own restoration business. That goes for most Lambos. Love 'em though.
We bought a family car on Ebay. Seller used "salesman" tactics, but in a gentlemanly way. Car turned out to need a little service, but has run fine since, and we saved $3k or so from retail. Good experience. |
Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member
Username: Coachi
Post Number: 337
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:49 pm: | |
Anyone who wins an auction on EBay needs to take the time and go and check the car he had purchased in person, check in hand...and if not as represented, say goodbye and chalk time lost and travel expenses to experience. I don't care if EBay decides that I am not worthy of a credit rating...I am not going to be swindled.. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 7:28 am: | |
I knew those leather dashes that Ferrari started doing again was a bad mistake. I said it back then and I am saying it again. |
Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Member
Username: Nebulaclass
Post Number: 370
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 4:01 am: | |
Idon't know if this matters at all, and I'm pretty sure you already are aware of this, but...
When I sold F-cars two years ago, we had two brand new 2000 MY 456's. They had been sitting on the lot for a little over a year, and they had about 300 miles each. On both examples, the dash and rear decklid leather had shrunk BIG TIME, and both needed replacement.
I'm sure you are probably aware of this problem on some 456's, bt in case you aren't, keep in mind that the shrinkage isn't necessarily an indication of its age.
Of course, the engine leaks, shock leaks, and AC fiddling is DEFINATELY something to worry about.
Regards. |
rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member
Username: Beast
Post Number: 157
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:31 pm: | |
About the only thing i even think of purchasing is items from companies that i have delt with at other times. I know a lot of people that sell stuff on ebay and they always seem to hype up the item beyond what it is worth. It seems to myself that there are more suckers in the world willing to bid and buy this stuff. |
Dr. Erik Nielsen (Judge4re)
Junior Member
Username: Judge4re
Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:22 pm: | |
I'm putting this up as example of what type of people you may be dealing with on ebay. I'm not eliminating any names to protect the innocent.
Regards,
Erik
>From: "Jay Hamada" <[email protected]>
>To: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
>Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:04:41 -0400
>
>You are a phony, so don't hide behind this bull$hit. You were no more
>interested in bidding then you have funds to back your self with. Any real
>businessman would not care whether "I know the leakdown and compression
>numbers" but only if you could find out what they are.
>
>You have a very bad attitude.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:13 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
>
>
> > No, what scared me off was that you didn't know what compression and
> > leakdown numbers are. In the collector car world, that means you're
>either
> > dumb, incompotent or just plain stupid. I was interested in the vehicle
>if
> > it was being represented by somebody who knew what the hell they are
>talking
> > about. It ain't you buddy.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Erik
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jay Hamada" <[email protected]>
> > >To: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
> > >Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 19:47:37 -0400
> > >
> > >I didn't think so.
> > >Thank you anyway.
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
> > >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 7:01 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > >
> > >
> > > > No, I am no longer intersted.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Jay Hamada" <[email protected]>
> > > > >To: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:46:25 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank you for your opinion - and you may be right. If nine thousand
>is
> > >all
> > > > >it is worth to you, may I ask you to bid accordingly on the car (
> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2426239938 ) and
>you
> > > > >might win it for the nine or less if no one else goes higher than
> > >yours.
> > > > >We
> > > > >will consider all bid offers when the bidding is over according to
> > >ebay's
> > > > >'second offer' policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can we count on you for $9000?
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Erik Nielsen" <[email protected]>
> > > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:46 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The car is worth no more than $9k in current condition. I can get
>a
> > > > >running
> > > > > > car with no rust for $14k on the west coast right now. Keep
> > >dreaming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Jay Hamada" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >Subject: Fw: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > > > > > >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:41:24 -0400
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2426239938
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >More pictures are following. According to NADA (NADA.COM), the
> > >working
> > > > > > >retail of this car is $23,000 in excellent condition. We
>encourage
> > >you
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >bid on this car to the value that you believe is worth to you and
> > >are
> > > > > > >comfortable with. Final sale will go to highest bidders on a
> > >"second
> > > > > > >offer"
> > > > > > >after the bidding against the reserve is over.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thank you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Jay Hamada" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:30 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where are the compression and leakdown numbers for the engine
> > > > >located
> > > > >?
> > > > > > >We
> > > > > > > > are not aware of any rust under the car. Asking price is
> > >$34,000.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where are you located ? Leave name and phone number if you
>are
> > > > > > >interested.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:43 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2426239938
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can you send me a list
>of
> > >the
> > > > > > >items
> > > > > > > > that are missing from this car? Do you have compression and
> > > > >leakdown
> > > > > > > > numbers for the engine? Is there any rust on the chassis?
> > > > >Floorpans?
> > > > > > >What
> > > > > > > > is your reserve price?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Question from: 4rejudge
> > > > > > > > > Title of item: Lamborghini : Lamborghini : All Mo
> > > > > > > > > Seller: h.m.sales
> > > > > > > > > Starts: Jul-31-03 17:08:36 PDT
> > > > > > > > > Ends: Aug-10-03 17:08:36 PDT
> > > > > > > > > Price: Starts at $5,000.00
> > > > > > > > > To view the item, go to:
> > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2426239938
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at
> > > > >http://www.ebay.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member
Username: Squidracing
Post Number: 535
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 10:52 am: | |
This is the exact reason why I always say that the seller should pay for the ppi.
If a deal goes through, (price pre-negotiated) then the buyer picks up the cost.
Nothing will deter scumbags more than the concept of paying out money for no deal!!
(This is the exact process I used when I sold my 355 Challenge Car to a good friend.) |
Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member
Username: Davewapinski
Post Number: 576
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 9:41 am: | |
I think with any purchase like this the buyer has to beware. It is an expensive purchase that can be very expensive if one makes the wrong decision.
However, I think there are good and bad deals from all possible sources. JimE (believe his handle is) can tell you about a dealer PPI that was not worth the paper it was written on. Misrepresented from the dealer. However, other people have had good experiences from this dealer. I think the dealer should have corrected his mistakes in Jim's case - everyone at times makes mistakes, but they should be corrected.
In dealing with sellers, one can sometimes get a feel if the seller is being honest or not. Doesn't matter if a dealer, high end used car lot, local paper, DuPont Registery, or eBay.
In my case, bought my Ferrari off eBay. During the process had many doubts if I was sane or not.
My analysis was that the seller, Gil West, was being honest.
Car ended up being BETTER than advertisied.
Got the Ferrari for about half of what a high end used car dealer wanted to sell me a lesser Ferrari for. Also my analysis of the high end used car dealer was that he was not being honest with me.
I think one will find good and bad on all sources. |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member
Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 80
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 4:50 pm: | |
Just a slight modification to my post.
The ad's are marketing which brings potential buyers out of the woodwork. Once marketing has done it's job (i.e. get you to physically travel to come see the item) then Sales tactics are used to close the deal. Lower the price, tell a great story, hard sell, etc.
The ole 1,2 |
Richard Ward (Lomotpk)
Junior Member
Username: Lomotpk
Post Number: 79
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 4:47 pm: | |
Sounds like 18,000 "pampered miles" to me.
Actually, the rationalist wonders why anyone would try to mis-represent a car in an ad, where logic would dictate that the buyers will eventually 'see' the true state of the car and feel 'lied' to. Thus throwing a pall of suspicion over the relationship.
The answer of course (which you proved) is that these descriptions are marketing, the purpose of which is to get potential buyers closer to the point of sale and commitment. You went to look at it, and instead of flying into a Rage (what? No WMDs?) you adjusted your perception, modified your offer, and the game was on.
In short, lying on EBay in this case 'worked'.
Obviously, you did not buy the car, but this was due to your experience and professionalism with car purchasing. you had the mechanical inspection done. Many other buyers would have seen the car, adjusted their bid, and driven home thinking they'd just out manouvered the seller...
Just an observation. |
Fred (I Luv 4REs) (Iluv4res)
Member
Username: Iluv4res
Post Number: 460
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 4:37 pm: | |
Martin,
This is exactly what I was referring to in my "why do seller's lie" thread.
I don't understand the logic, other than to hope the perspective buyer doesn't know any better and/or that the car looks better than what's at the New Auto Toy Store!!! |
Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 5613
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 4:27 pm: | |
I was about to buy a 456 for my wife. She looked at the car liked it but right off there were some inconsistencies with the description and the actual car. read the description first:
Here we have up for auction is probably the nicest Ferrari 456 GTA you'll probably ever see on eBay. It is a 1998 with only 18,940 pampered miles which you can verify just by looking at the pictures. This Ferrari is currently in Ft. Lauderdale not in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania which my user information tells you so if you are in the area and want to come look at the car before the auction is over, send me an E-mail and we can set up a time. If you are looking at this car then you definately know what it is so I won't bore you with the particulars and a lengthy description. The exterior is Tour de France Blue with Tan Leather interior and the car shows very well which you can see. It has recently completed the 15,000 mile service at Shelton Ferrari in Ft. Lauderdale, the cost was around $3,500.00 and it is ready to go for the next owner. It has P Zero tires with maybe 1,000 miles on them at best. The paint appears to be original with only some bug bites and stone chips on the front which is typical and the interior is in outstanding condition. I am currently the second owner and now it's time to go to the third. If you have a specific question you would like answered or if you would like to come see the car before the auction ends, just send me an E-mail and I'll get back with you as soon as I can. I am very serious about selling this car <.> The winning bidder will be very pleased with this purchase.
I took out some blah text to save you time.
Here is what we saw:
* major dash leather shrinkage, entire dash needs reupholstering!
* Major leather shrinkage on the back under the glass total reupholstering.
* front seats do not release to enter the back seats
* nasty door ding on drivers side, nasty door ding on passenger rear quarter panel
* excessive front rock chips.
We came to a price idea and I told him I wanted to look over the car on the lift but had the cashiers check already drawn in his name and showed him a copy.
At the mechanic:
* although he was willing to sign an affidavit that ha has not refilled the AC with freon there was aclear sign someone has recently unscrewed the AC valve covers.
* around the AC compressor was excessive oil leakage
* The front engine seals were leaking bad (supposed to have had Service at Shelton 3,000 Miles ago.
* the gas filters have never been replaced, not once!
* both of the rear shocks had been leaking and needed replacement.
All in all I am not sure if "The nicest 456 you have ever seen on eBay" describes this car properly!
Needless to say I did not buy it and am still looking!
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