| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 774 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes. (See below, adaptation of conventional 'box) Computer control allows less wear 'cause the movement of clutch and shifter is not subject to driver error. | ||
| Joseph Caretti (Pino)
Junior Member Username: Pino Post Number: 170 Registered: 4-2002 |
Matty: Yes, the car will roll on a hill if the throttle is not applied quickly/aggressively enough. Also, the car will go into neutral if one lets off the brake for 10 seconds or longer without any throttle input. Andy: As was covered in the FORZA magazine article, the difference in the F1 box vs 6 speed box is that the F1 has heavier duty syncro rings in the lower gears as well as reinforced shift forks. | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Junior Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 225 Registered: 3-2003 |
I too have a question on F1 gearboxes. Are there synchros in an F1 gearbox? If so, how does Ferrari overcome the wear that takes place when they are shifted quickly? | ||
| Matty (Liquid)
New member Username: Liquid Post Number: 40 Registered: 7-2002 |
Will the F1 cars roll back on hills if not given gas quick enough like normal manual transmission cars do? | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 239 Registered: 2-2001 |
"nothing much to learn, just pull a lever" Yep, you would think it would be this easy. However I'm starting to have doubts. I have a 2002 F1 and I think it's the best shifting F1 ever built. It shifts as smooth as butter. I've let numerous Ferrari owners drive my car. These guys could heel toe, double clutch with the best of them. But when they drive my F1 it's as though it's their first day of driver ed in high school. They literally butcher the shifting process. I can't believe it and they can't believe it's the same car. So, maybe it does take some talent to master the F1? | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 884 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lou,
Nothing, I was commenting on Rick's comment that 'you need to know how to drive them', which I do not understand. And I say why???, nothing much to learn, just pull a lever. Pete | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 259 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have two Fcars with "normal" trannies plus a 360F1 and enjoy them all. I actually am starting to tilt towards the F1 just to to enjoy the song of the TUBI through 3 perfect sequential double clutch downshifts. Psk: You can pull the levers whenever you want except when the chosen gear would put you over the red line. Whats wrong with that again ? | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 882 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rick,
What do you mean?. All you have to do is pull the little levers, and the car should change gear. You should not have to know how to drive it. That is the sad thing IMO about these paddle shifts, somebody with absolutely NO driving ability whatsoever can change gear. Thus you have lost part of the driving experience ... And if you cannot just pull the levers when ever you want, then the system sucks. Again F1 moves a Ferrari closer to the user dynamics of a fridge, ie. NO skill required, it is just an appliance. Never buy one myself ... unless an Enzo or real F1 came attached. Pete | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 765 Registered: 11-2002 |
As Car and Driver magazine eloquently stated when Ferrari's (with Magnetti Marelli) F1 gearbox debuted, it's a "manumatic", a computer controlled manual transmission with a conventional dry clutch. This is opposed to an "automanual", which is an automatic transmission, with a torque converter (fluid power transfer) which can be shifted via buttons or levers controlled by the driver, and will hold the gear selected until the driver intervenes. This is Porsche's Tiptronic, among many others. How does it work? Simplistically, there is a transmission computer (TCU), which interfaces with the engine ECU, and reads sensors for clutch position , absolute throttle position and change in throttle position (throttle velocity), engine rpm, transmission rpm, wheel speed, and driver's input via steering wheel paddles. The TCU then utilizes hydraulic actuators to move the clutch throw out bearing to engage and disengage the clutch, the rate at which this engagement occurs, and moves the shift fingers to select the next gear. The TCU 'talks' to the ECU to blip the throttle on downshifts to synchronize the lower gear. Hope this helps. Question?  Ps, VW - Audi's new dual clutch transmission to be available in the Golf R32 and TT is perhaps the first "clean sheet" design of a manual transmission taking complete advantage of "manumatic" technology, as opposed to Ferrari's F1 system, which adapts a conventional manual to automated actuation. Best regards, Rob | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 236 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hugh Good point. The author's statement is little misleading since the F1 is the ONLY transmission available. As an aside I think he could be saying that redline comes so fast that the F1 is the best way to handle the power or that the Stradale is a "beast" and it's better to have both hands on the wheel? I don't know. The more I think about it, I wonder why he did say that the "F1 is essential" | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1219 Registered: 1-2002 |
J.D.: re: EVO article. With all due respect, and fairness, the F1 tranny is the ONLY way you can go in the stradale. The authors may have surmized it differently had there been a choice to excercise. Just my 2cents. | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 235 Registered: 2-2001 |
Gary I'll try to answer your question: How it actually works? About 3 years ago Forza Magazine explained what the F1 is and how it worked. It took 4 full pages of technical writing and technical drawings to acurately and fully explain how it works. I don't think anyone here can do as good a job explaining the F1. That's probably why you aren't getting responses. Why do some people describe the F1 as an Automatic? There are 2 answers: One, As part of the F1 system there is a button labeled AUTO that you push and it turns the transmission into a full automatic roll. All you have to do is steer and give it gas. Two, and this is the difficult answer, it really depends on each individual's definition of "automatic" (kinda like Bill Clinton's definition of sex). The F1 will not upshift for you but will downshift automatically into 1st when the rpms go below 1350. So for some people that is enough to call it an automatic. As an aside, if you are debating about getting an F1 read the EVO Magazine article comparing the Stradale and GT3 that's posted here. The F1 is the only way to go (according to the article) | ||
| gary green (Minuke)
Junior Member Username: Minuke Post Number: 210 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'm sorry I asked! | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 296 Registered: 12-2001 |
I swear to God, this is about the silliest discussion yet here on FerrariChat. You wankers are all out-to-lunch, and all of you deserve the Assclown award. In fact, I will award it right after this text. The Jefferson went well, but rained for three days! However, entry numbers were up, and Jaguar were very pleased with their marketing effort. BRIC also was excellent, entry numbers were down 5% but at 420 were still v.good. Crowd was well up. John Surtees did an excellent job as Grand Marshall. Again, Jaguar were very happy with marketing efforts. They say they will do it again at both Summit and Road America. Here to talk to the local Porsche Club, Monterey next week to drive the Collier Museum Ford GT 40. Porsche want to do another "Rennsport" at Daytona, the end of April. Oh, well. Have a great weekend, you wankettes!! COPY OF DAVES TEXT--What the Heck are you talking about | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1921 Registered: 11-2002 |
Damn you Mark! You broke Dave. He doesn't work anymore! Look at his post! Cheers | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2500 Registered: 1-2002 |
I swear to God, this is about the silliest discussion yet here on FerrariChat. You wankers are all out-to-lunch, and all of you deserve the Assclown award. In fact, I will award it right after this text. The Jefferson went well, but rained for three days! However, entry numbers were up, and Jaguar were very pleased with their marketing effort. BRIC also was excellent, entry numbers were down 5% but at 420 were still v.good. Crowd was well up. John Surtees did an excellent job as Grand Marshall. Again, Jaguar were very happy with marketing efforts. They say they will do it again at both Summit and Road America. Here to talk to the local Porsche Club, Monterey next week to drive the Collier Museum Ford GT 40. Porsche want to do another "Rennsport" at Daytona, the end of April. Oh, well. Have a great weekend, you wankettes!! | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 295 Registered: 12-2001 |
Bruce has his caps, I get Red | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1919 Registered: 11-2002 |
I call black. Now all you suckas pick a different color aside from black! Hehehe I pity the foo who gets stuck with pink! Cheers | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 862 Registered: 9-2002 |
Red, haha thats kool...Red posting in Red. Thats it..I call blue! | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 294 Registered: 12-2001 |
Damn Mark...you Rock | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2499 Registered: 1-2002 |
Well, shizzle my nizzle, dawg! | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 219 Registered: 4-2003 |
That, and many other tricks are explained in the formatting/codes section which can be found by clicking on the Help/Instructions link found on the bottom of all Fchat pages. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2497 Registered: 1-2002 |
DES, it's NOT really on their site. Look very carefully at the URL... | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1915 Registered: 11-2002 |
Still laughing... Where's that old "funniest member" thread? I think we got a winner here. HAHAHAHAHA | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5655 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, you're @#$%ing hilarious...! How is that article actually on CNN's website - i know it's a joke, but it's really on their site; how is that possible...? Am i missing something here...? Mark, how do you link something on here so that it opens up in a separate window...? Neat trick... | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2003 |
Taek The original pic and story in Autoweek is even funnier. Here is an unedited version. | ||
| ty (360mode)
Junior Member Username: 360mode Post Number: 96 Registered: 9-2002 |
honestly say first time one of allan's comments has made me laugh! i "strongly disliked" the F1 tranny for the year i had one and i'm pretty sure i knew how to "drive it" but hey, to each their own! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 1913 Registered: 11-2002 |
Mark, You just crack me up man. HAHAHAHA. Cheers | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 216 Registered: 4-2003 |
P8ge Actually yes, the title of this thread is F1 and I seem to have driven it off topic. Otherwise no, I wouldn't fit.  | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 227 Registered: 4-2001 |
Dave, i saw that to0. i guess allen is making a comeback to f-chat! | ||
| p8ge (P8ge)
New member Username: P8ge Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2003 |
Mark, have you ever driven an F1? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 2496 Registered: 1-2002 |
LOL! The key line at the bottom: "-- CNN Correspondent Allan Fiedler contributed to this report." | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 215 Registered: 4-2003 |
Wow, this is a very interesting article about Ferrari and the F1. I guess we know how the F1 tranny works now. Looks like Ferrari could be in real trouble. Link to Story, will open in new window | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 226 Registered: 4-2001 |
It actually works very nicely if you know how to drive it! | ||
| ty (360mode)
Junior Member Username: 360mode Post Number: 94 Registered: 9-2002 |
OMG, LMFAO!!! don't get me started about the F1 good one mark!! | ||
| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
Member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 493 Registered: 4-2003 |
LOL@ Mark. | ||
| MarkPDX (Markpdx)
Junior Member Username: Markpdx Post Number: 214 Registered: 4-2003 |
Actually it doesn't | ||
| gary green (Minuke)
Junior Member Username: Minuke Post Number: 208 Registered: 7-2003 |
I have heard some people describe it as a Automatic others as a manual, could you enlighten me how it actually works. |