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| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2285 Registered: 8-2002 |
There is also a FERRARI 208 GTB/GTS brochure as well as some other 308 GTB/GTS brochures that describe the pop-top car as having "spider" coachwork. I think the bottom line is that the "S" designation meant that the car had open coachwork. Let it stand for "spider" or "spyder" or however you DEScribe open caochwork. The fact that these cars are not full convertibles kept them from using the actual "Spyder" designation as used on several 2-seat convertibles that came before them or the "Spider" designation of the 2-seat convertibles that came after. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2284 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, the cover of that 246 GTS brochure reads: DINO SPIDER un altro successo delle costruzioni Ferrari di piccola serie un autre succes des constructions Ferrari en petite serie another successful product of the Ferrari limited series range | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5701 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok... A few things here... According to some, a Dino really isn't a Ferrari, blah blah blah, maybe they were classed differently... What does that have to do with the 328GTS and whether it's a spyder or a spider...? If this is frustrating, you're more than welcome to email me and curse me out.  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2282 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, let's trace it all the way back to the first targa-roofed Ferrari road car, the Dino 246 GTS. There is a brochure for this car in "FERRARI: Brochures and Sales Literature-A Source Book 1968-1989" by Randall C. Baselt with the words "Dino Spider" right on the cover. It would appear then that the word represented by the "S" in the targa-roofed models has been sporadically given to be either "spider" or "spyder" thoughout the years/model runs. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5700 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wayne, GTS has to stand for something, just like GT, GTB, GTO, etc. Doesn't it, in some way, have to be somehow noted that it has a removeable top...? That would be in the 'S' part, meaning spyder or spider; so which one is it...? You can't mean to tell me that in all the books/records/title/etc. that came with a 328GTS, it didn't say spyder or spider anywhere...? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2190 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>"The word, whether spelled "spyder" or "spider" was adopted by the Italians from other languages<< So was the name California I believe, and Tour de France, and Super America, and...well you get idea..... { } | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2281 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think you're missing something here. The 328 GTS is the "328 GTS," there is no "spider" or "spyder" in the name. The name of the car is simply the "328 GTS." The sales brochures that I'm refering to state that this model (the 308 or 328) is available in either berlinetta or spider (or spyder) coachwork. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5699 Registered: 8-2002 |
If the 328 says spider in all languages (English, French, German & most importantly, Italian), then that's where (my) focus lies; Wayne, do you have an actual 328 manual or can someone look at their 328 title...? If Italy has no 'y' in their alphabet and they're calling all these cars spyders, but then they, themselves, call the 328GTS a spider, then wouldn't the 328 be the first car to use spider rather than spyder...? After all, those brochures are in line with the factory, right...? Damn... is everything about Ferrari obfuscated...? | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2280 Registered: 8-2002 |
To correct myself, after looking back through the brochures on the 308 and 328, I found the following: For the 308 GTS, the Italian text refers to the car as a "spyder," while the text in French, English and German all use the spelling "spider." For the 328, all laguages use the spelling "spider." The 348 Spider was, however, the first car to use the spelling with an "i" in the actual name of the car, which I think answers the question here. | ||
| Mark (Marvellous_mark)
New member Username: Marvellous_mark Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
oh well - at least its consistantly inconsistant :os Maybe there is no definitive answer for the 250 California | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2279 Registered: 8-2002 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/285763.html?1058449605 Per Gerald Roush: "The word, whether spelled "spyder" or "spider" was adopted by the Italians from other languages--I believe "spyder" came from German and "spider" came from English. As already pointed out, its origin was as a term for a particular type of horse-drawn carriage. Ferrari used "spyder" for many, many years--up through the Daytona Spyder. With the new crop of cars starting with the 348 Ferrari starting using "spider". So to determine which is correct you have to know which era you are referring to. For instance in the sales brochure for the 275 GTS Ferrari refers to it as a "spyder" while they refer to the F355 and 355 F1 as a "spider" in sales brochures. FWIW there is no "Y" in Italian!" To add to what Gerald says here, the brochures for the 308 and 328 GTS models refer to them as "spyders" as well. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 5698 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wayne, that's been the elusive detail the whole time, i believe... Are you saying that a 328GTS is a Spyder (and that was the last model to be known as a 'spyder'?)...? i recall seeing this question several times but without conclusive word either way, as to when 'spyder' stopped and 'spider' started... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2278 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gentlemen, we have covered this many times before. It has always been "Spyder" up until the 348 "Spider" and it has been "Spider" ever since. | ||
| Mark (Marvellous_mark)
New member Username: Marvellous_mark Post Number: 31 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks all - it was just this particular model that i need info on really cos the whole spyder/spider thing has been done many many times ;) Its just I've seen the 250 spelt as both in the press / on the board and i just needed to know a definitive answer for a thing I'm sorting out and it needs to be 100% correct. BTW spyder isn't the english spelling for the creepy crawly thingy. The italians - hmm Im a bit rusty so i cant tell you. Vincent - from my search in the archives, someone posted that it came from when you lifted the roof off the car, the bits that clipped the roof looked like spiders legs. Daft eh? | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 871 Registered: 9-2002 |
I thought we came to agree on ferrarichat that 'sypder' was/is the British spelling of spider...seeing how there is no y in the Italian alphabet. (or something to that effect) The question of spiders comes up alot. | ||
| Vincent (Vincent348)
Member Username: Vincent348 Post Number: 968 Registered: 4-2003 |
Why spider or spyder, how did this word come to mean convertible? Vincent. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 5646 Registered: 5-2001 |
Gerald has posted sometihng to a similar question and the answer is on the old cars it is spYder and on the nwer cars it is spIder | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2180 Registered: 11-2002 |
SpYder did I misspell SpYder in the 0937 resto thread? { } | ||
| Marvin Balagot (Mdb69)
Junior Member Username: Mdb69 Post Number: 116 Registered: 4-2002 |
I think the official name is just 250 GT California right? The California designation indicating that it is a spyder? Anyway, i've seen it spelled Spyder on most older Ferraris and Spider on the newer ones. | ||
| Mark (Marvellous_mark)
New member Username: Marvellous_mark Post Number: 30 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi all, I've been having a look through the archives to find out if a 1959 250 Spyder California is actually a Spyder, or is in fact a Spider. Any help much appreciated as i havent found a definitive answer... Cheers Mark |