| Author | Message | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1121 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hey, with Lucas wiring and 4 fuses for the entire car, Lotus Europas HAVE been known to self destruct in the garage. Usually in a nice ball of flame. | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 76 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hey i know how i can make it up to you Will H, i will swap you my 328 for your 360 mate,there probably worth the same by now HA! HA! The sacrifice i am willing to make for my life to be spared. | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2003 |
Lou B, i have no idea of the con rod numbers mate. You may have noticed i have not been posting,this is becourse i am currently in hideing from P***D of pre 2001 360 Modana owners, some one took a shot at me yesterday,i am indeed a bodygaurd but now feal the need for my own. I think Will H has a price on my head.......ill be in touch when its safe dudes.Chaz (who is remorsefully sorry for opening my mouth) | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 181 Registered: 3-2003 |
"with the exchange of a very wide cross section of users & use patterns & experiences we all get a chance to sift the facts from the BS, which is a valuable part of our DD. Only listening to propaganda can be a poor way to make future choices." Well said, I agree. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2211 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>set barbed wire around it to keep neighborhood children away and hope the car eventually biodegrades, or sell it to one of the unsuspecting poseurs I have read so much about in recent months. Do you think a poseur would want a test drive? ;-) >> ha ha ha ha !!! at least your starting to get a sense of humour about all this stuff!!! {  } there have always been "urban legends" and horror stories flying around about used exotics...some more founded in fact than others... with the exchange of a very wide cross section of users & use patterns & experiences we all get a chance to sift the facts from the BS, which is a valuable part of our DD. Only listening to propaganda can be a poor way to make future choices. | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 179 Registered: 3-2003 |
"This is, of course, after the engine is fixed....." Mitch - too late. After this thread, and rumors that a local '99 360 F1 exploded while parked in the owner's garage, no one will touch this diabolical "time bomb". Thinking only of my family, after a quick update of my estate planning, and wearing my Snell SA 2000 helmet, nomex racing suit (three layers, plus underwear) and thickest Doc Martens, I pushed my '99 out of my garage and to the far corner of our lot - thankfully, we have a bit of land. This morning I will try to decide whether to cover the Modena completely in sand bags, set barbed wire around it to keep neighborhood children away and hope the car eventually biodegrades, or sell it to one of the unsuspecting poseurs I have read so much about in recent months. Do you think a poseur would want a test drive? ;-) Cheers, Will | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2003 |
You can view 3 of the 15 Michelotto converted challenge cars at www.procar.com.au in the Australian Nations cup up against Lambo, Viper, Porsche etc Search the archives and image galleries. We debut'd the first car in the 2002 AGP with Ryan Briscoe and another australian amateur....both cars were crashed heavily!! Since then we've raced 1 or 2 at most rounds in close to original form. In the British GTO category, Veloqx run two cars bought from us, and a 3rd "new" car, but modified with sequential boxes etc. Team JMB in France race a fleet of them. North Washington Ferrari dealer run a car I believe too. Michelotto now only build new N-GT 360's and do not convert challenge cars. The cars are awesome....very expensive, but all the road related niggles of challenge cars are gone. They're very easy to maintain compared to challenge too. But there have been several engine evolutions and to keep up with them is massively expensive. Magical cars though...too many changes to list here but i enjoy discussing them so feel free to ask away!! | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 965 Registered: 4-2002 |
"*disclaimer: willh's 360 resale will not be affected, promise.* " This is, of course, after the engine is fixed..... | ||
| Lou B (Toby91)
Member Username: Toby91 Post Number: 267 Registered: 4-2001 |
Chaz: Any idea of the "up" VIN number with the new rods? | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 569 Registered: 6-2001 |
Billy, any chance yoiu got a pic? or a website with pics? | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 324 Registered: 8-2002 |
The 360 Mick I saw was just bitchin...when it was running. Carbon fibre everywhere. Total racecar...and the sound!!!even with Laguna sound police it was like a beast trying to break out of a cage. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 567 Registered: 6-2001 |
I didn't know Michelotto did 360 conversions. Have been with Herb Wolfe and his 308 Michelotto at many events, and it seems these cars are beautiful, fast, but very temperamental. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 566 Registered: 6-2001 |
Thanks Phil. I'm going to try it. I don't do the Challenge series anyway, only track events, so it shouldn't be an issue. | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2003 |
Yeah Solly. But your 360C crank pulley is a stock part and still has the ac belt track on it and is redundant...that's why I said get rid of it! It stops the belts coming past for replacement. The 360C generally show all the problems a road will eventually show, just 10 times sooner. The N-GT cars ONLY have pistons and camshaft replacements to improve power from and internal component perspective, all other mods are simply reliability derived. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1450 Registered: 8-2001 |
Micholotto 360s are race cars, right? I think wear and useage would be different from a stock road car. Before you think the 360 successor will be the cure all, it will have it's own issues when it comes out. What will those issues be? Nobody knows yet. | ||
| billy bob (Fatbillybob)
Member Username: Fatbillybob Post Number: 320 Registered: 8-2002 |
I was at Laguna in May and a guy with a 360 michelloto blew his engine by the con rod dropping out the bottom. It was an early car so....sounds true... Looks like people will be waitning for the 480? | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 563 Registered: 6-2001 |
The Challenge cars come with no ac fitted. Can I still somehow lock the crank and make this a 1 hour job? The shop that maintains my car does a lot of the Challenge cars. I'll check with them if upgrades were all done. Thanks for the feedback | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 59 Registered: 7-2003 |
Solly. You can fit new belts, new tensioners and make sure the fail safe device has been fitted in about 4 hours, job done. If your car has been raced in the series, it will no doubt have had the up-grades done as they came along, but get your dealer to show you all the campaigns and check. Here's a tip, on your challenge car only, remove the front pulley and get a machine shop to turn off the ac belt track. It makes cambelts a 1 hour job because you no longer need to slide the pulley forward, which in turns means removing the undertray to lock the crank etc etc. Check regs though if you wish to race it, as it makes the pulley lighter and could be seen as a performance mod, which it is not, but hard to argue! | ||
| rob guess (Beast)
Junior Member Username: Beast Post Number: 172 Registered: 5-2003 |
If you are truly worried about the issue with the con rods, Have a sample of your oil sent out for anyalsys on a regular basis. Make sure that the lab that does the testing is capable of finding trace elements of titanium in the oil. This way you can at least get some early warning before the big bang happens. One other thing to realise is that early production run vehicles tend to be more problematic than latter ones since issues arise once the product is out in the public. While on a standard issue car it may be noticed and corrected mid way thru the production run. With a Ferrari it may be a few years due to the limited numbers being produced. No matter haw much testing the Mfg does at the proving gounds and test tracks issues will fall thru the cracks. I have seen it with nearly every new model release from every Mfg. The main thing to factor in here is the way the vehicle is operated. Does the driver operate it normaly or do they drive it in a lower gear causing the engine to stay closer to the redline???? | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
Junior Member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 181 Registered: 5-2002 |
360 issue is well known. Much like I've preached before buy the car drive it like a rental then dump it before the warranty expires. Let the next guy deal with it. . "Schumacher ,Rubens, and WFO sponsored Ferrari drivers. I have gotten a boat load of repairs down on their dime ". | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 375 Registered: 1-2002 |
Guy. From what i heard Honda of Europe did a recall, while Honda USA won't.!? | ||
| Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1250 Registered: 12-2001 |
I heard in conversation that the 360 may have a problem burning valves. Im not sure how correct this is but I know the F1 gearbox will be a nightmare in the future. Anyone who buys a used out of warranty 360 with the F1 box will pay through the nose for any future malfunctions. Even performing my own repairs Ill never own a car with that box because the cost of parts alone would be insane. Im sure the F1 cars will drop in value like a led ballon compared to the 6 spds even though it was an expensive option new. Like a friend said to me (Tom), they will become the 308's of the future, at least afordable to buy. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 560 Registered: 6-2001 |
Yes, but we do run the Challenge cars at close to redline all the time, so a problem like this can happen much sooner than on a street car. My 360C had an extensive rebuild before this season, and will have one after Cavallino. Hope nothing happens between now and then. Is this an engine-out job, or can the tensioner be acccessed through the same panel they use to change the belts on a 360? Are there any early warning signs or is it just boom one day? | ||
| Guy Heylen (Rpm_tifosi)
New member Username: Rpm_tifosi Post Number: 38 Registered: 2-2003 |
DJMONK and Hubert: My S2000 had a recall last year for the 'potential exploding problem'! The problem were the oil jets under the block itself which under some hard conditions (high rpms during a long time) didn't work the way they should! But this only occured to some guys in Germany on the autobahn at probably very high enginespeeds during a long time!! I never had any problems myself and i use my S2000 very hard but never keep my rpms above 8000 rpm for a longer period! So i guess that if you guys thread your 360s nice i don't think you will ever have any problems either!! I hope at least!! The 360 is my dreamcar and will be my next toy!! CIAO.. Guy | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 56 Registered: 7-2003 |
Not sure on 355 tensioner up-grades, but parts are same as 360 so I'm assuming the problem is similar. It's not the bearing that is the problem, it's the green hydraulic spring loaded tensioner assist unit that breaks one of it's mounting lugs off. On the 360, the LH bank has a rubber bush in only one of the lugs...Ferrari say it's for harmonics problems! The up-grade is two fold. Ensure you've got the latest tensioner assists fitted, they have a thicker small lug and a larger radius of curve to it. The second part of the up-grade is to make sure the LH bank tensioner has the fail safe nut extension device fitted. This is as crude as they come, but effective. The N-GT car has fully re-worked tensioner assists.... | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1246 Registered: 1-2002 |
Solly: When you get a chance ask Matt Karson about this, as well as Tim Gendreau. It's not the tensioner itself, it's the bearing inside it that fails, causes the tensioner to fail, and then the subsequent malay in the engine; the timing belts snap, pistons and valves can come together, etc. It's not a matter that you can diagnose ( to my understanding), it's simply a matter of replacing the belt tensioner/bearing when you do services on the cars. It's not an item that you want to omit. I'm unsure as to the required service of the challenge cars, but a rebuild/season is the norm (from what I hear.) At that point, I'd suggest replacing the tensioner. Others may know more than I. djmonk: The s2000's (early) have/had problems w/ the #4 cylinder getting starved for oil under prolonger high-rpm use, but the block have oil jets too cool the rods; I'm not exactly sure which component was at fault. | ||
| Dave Helms (Davehelms)
Junior Member Username: Davehelms Post Number: 98 Registered: 5-2003 |
Titanium against titanium is a very bad thing without a lot of oil. Very strong and light, but very poor abrasion resistance properties. The extra oil holes simply put a bit more oil there to hold the rods apart at revs. If memory serves me correctly, the F50 engine I had apart had a coating on the rod cheeks just for this reason, as well as notches to channel the oil to the cheeks. As for the 360's, let them warm up, and let them cool down properly, and use good oil. The Castrol 10-60 as suggested or Mobil 15-50 retain enough viscosity when hot that they might help. I know when we used the Helix at the track, we would get a flashing oil light when the engine was very hot at idle. The problem went away with the Mobil. For my taste, the 5-40 is a bit too thin for a 100 degree day when the engine is pushed hard. | ||
| JT (Mightymagician)
Junior Member Username: Mightymagician Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2002 |
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/home.cfm you can search some recall info here. not sure how complete the database is though. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Member Username: Davem Post Number: 373 Registered: 1-2002 |
Early Honda S2000s have similiar condition an was fixed an updated at certain year. Though no recall | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2198 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Michelotto know this and all race engines are lifed to 5000km only.<< No Wonder last thing the dealers tell their clients as they prepare to drive off in their New Ferrari..."make sure you don't put to many miles on it, it'll hurt resale" { } | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 559 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hubert, Could you expand on the 355 and 360 C's belt tensioner problems? Are there recalls or fixes before the tensioners die and drop all the valves? As a recent buyer of a 360 C I am very concerned, although I have not heard of this happening to any of the owners I know (yet). | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 178 Registered: 3-2003 |
*disclaimer: willh's 360 resale will not be affected, promise.* See, that wasn't so hard, was it? With that disclaimer and a maybe 150 mg of Zoloft I thought could go back to lurking and let the experts work this out. Then I read: "The remains of the rod turn into a helicopter blade and basically cut the engine in half! Then the oil catches fire...." So make that 250 mg of Zoloft, and I'll take them with a liqueur, please. Cheers. PS - I have a - um - close friend who has one of the accursed exploding Modenas. Anything he can do to prevent disaster? | ||
| Phil Hughes (Ferrarifixer)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarifixer Post Number: 55 Registered: 7-2003 |
This is a good topic. Since 2000 I've been senior spanner spinner at a Melbourne 360 race team, running up to 9 cars at the 2002 AGP from one team. Also spent several weeks at Michelotto in the build up to receiving our first N-GT car, of which we've now run 3. I've got about 40,000km of race track data. The earlier rods do indeed need replacing. It is UNCOMMON, but one of my teams fleet had the conrod problem in question. Subsequently, all our cars were given the new spec rod with help but not freely from Ferrari. The rods simply have a greater distance between each other and 3 small notches to allow oil to get out between them and help cool it all down a bit. BUT, here's the juicy bit. You won't find anyone admit it, but there is another problem. In racing, the sustained high revs obviously work the rod harder and we've had 2 engines expire when the small end of the rod has opened up and allowed the piston to continue on it's journey to the head....at warp speed. The remains of the rod turn into a helicopter blade and basically cut the engine in half! Then the oil catches fire.....I took the floor off one of these cars and there were 2 conrods laying in it! Michelotto know this and all race engines are lifed to 5000km only. The N-GT car revs higher, and has lighter pistons too.....so make of this what you will. In road use though, you really shouldn't worry as your wear rate is many times less than in racing. But I would recommend ditching the Shell Helix and fitting something like Castrol R synth 10w60 instead. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1245 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jerry: I made the earlier post regarding e45 M3 enigines, thank you for the clarification. -hubert. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1244 Registered: 1-2002 |
willh: *disclaimer: willh's 360 resale will not be affected, promise.* It's not that I'm anxious, nor am I trying to purvey any hysteria. It's just that I've gotten to read about some of ferraris customer service, and other related shortcomings(during my tenure here), and must admit that some situations have caused me to raise an eyebrow; enough eyebrow raising ends in a furrowed brow. That's all I'm sayin. -hubert PS: 360 and 355 c's both have a known and acknowlegded "issue" w/ their belt tensioners, and when these go, you inherit the paper weight suspended out back. That, IMO, shouldn't happen. Even if it's a race car. PPS: On the other hand, I've also heard of them (ferrari NA, and SpA) coming through (Dave's motor mounts in the 550 covered out of warranty, for example.) | ||
| Jerry Fisher (Emtrey)
New member Username: Emtrey Post Number: 19 Registered: 8-2003 |
As the owner of an E-46 M-3 in the "problem engine window' I would like to clarify an earlier post. The final solution was traced to a series of out of tolerance oil pumps used in a 3 month period from Oct01-Jan 02. Though BMW did try to band-aid this problem with oil viscosity change and bearing size change the ultimate solution required changing oil pumps and replacing con bearings as a precaution. At the same time they extended that warranty on ALL S-54 engines to 6yrs/100k miles. Since the service bulletin my operating oil temp has dropped 30 degrees so I question that these were bad or UNDERSIZED oil pumps..either way, there have not been any failures reported recently. The jury is still out as to whether these cars will be worth less at resale time. However, if I owned a Modena with this potential problem I would be very uncomfortable and that is without the benefit of a warranty as long as 6yrs/100K miles. I feel your pain, Modena owners, as much as I would love to own your cars.. Good Luck..I hope this turns out to be unfounded. | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 71 Registered: 5-2003 |
Its clear Ferrari know about it,becourse why the extra oil feeds. | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 177 Registered: 3-2003 |
- If this is enedmic to all , or even most, pre - mid '01 360's, it'll be a sham, and will probably put another nail in the coffin, for already wavering "enthusiasts." - So far we have one reputable shop, but no other in all the world, reporting this problem with a "few" cars. Worth exploring further, perhaps, and no doubt worthy of discussion on this forum, but IMO hardly cause for alarm or anxiety. JRV & Dave Quick: if you read my posts carefully, you'll see that I have never suggested that this subject shouldn't have been raised - as an owner of a 360, it's of vital interest to me. I have rarely found the expensive problem that, if ignored, will go away. All I have objected to is moving from one shop's reported observation of a "few" cars to the possibility of an endemic problem, all in a handful of posts. JRV, I have friends who run independent shops for both race and street cars, and so understand why you are justifiably proud of the role played by such folks. regards to all, Will | ||
| Dave Burch (Merlyn)
Junior Member Username: Merlyn Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2002 |
Does this rod problem extend to 355 also? Signed, Anxious in Los Altos  | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1242 Registered: 1-2002 |
Similar problem with the e46 m3 motors that kept exploding, and spitting out rods through the block... now that's a pretty sight. Apparently, what happened was a mistake in sizing the rod bearing to the application (little loose, could have been it...) and after some use the bearings would seize, and voila, another one bites the dust. BMW made reperations to all affected owners, under warranty (for the most part), but some got boned; BMW tried to made ends meet by changing the viscocity of the oil used on the e46's, to some castrol super oil 10w-60, but the "fix" didn't hold. If this is enedmic to all , or even most, pre - mid '01 360's, it'll be a sham, and will probably put another nail in the coffin, for already wavering "enthusiasts." As everyone's being told to "drive" their cars, but when things seems to run amuck, their's no back end through which to seek recourse. Shameful. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 962 Registered: 4-2002 |
"even though they issued a tsb in 96 that the engines could be repaired with ss guides" For those without the magic decoder ring: ss in this case is sintered steel. | ||
| dave handa (Davehanda)
Intermediate Member Username: Davehanda Post Number: 1604 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, Actually, if you search the archives, the exhaust header cracking issue runs into the 97' year and possibly beyond(and there is question whether the replacements are upgraded in any way). The valve guide issue was not corrected by the factory until mid 98' or so (amazing!) even though they issued a tsb in 96 that the engines could be repaired with ss guides, they continued to put in the bronze ones from the factory until mid 98'. | ||
| Dave Quick (Davequick)
New member Username: Davequick Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2003 |
There will always be cars/model years to avoid if possible for any number of reasons. Take a look @ the 355 - you have a number of factors to look into if you actually want to aquire one... 1) early models have OBD I and not OBD II - can be appealing for racers, people who want to service outside ferrari network, etc. 2) these same early cars have had header cracking problems and from the sounds of it some sor tof nastiness around the valves... But they are also cheaper... mainly due to the fact they are older - a.k.a. earlier in the production range where a car line actually improves with on the fly engineering changes to address newly found issues. All of these cars (Ferrari) are relatively small production numbers. Any early model in a particular lineup will have more chance of problems than one later in the same series. But, sometimes (as with the M cars... 512M, 456M, etc.) they muck with not just what is under the covers but also what the shape and flow of the body is.... I personally am not a big fan of the clear headlights or rounded taillights of the 512M and I'm not personally into the flat (and IMHO) boring hood of the 456M... so even if I had the first 512 off the line vs. 512M to choose between the 512 wins for me even if there are a lot of improvements. Engineering problems like this are great to bring into the open.. if it measn your car is values less so be it... I'd rather find out now rather than after I've bought the car from you in the used market. ;-) Thanks for the info chaz - I'll make sure to file this away in my head and bring it up at the next tech session @ a ferrari dealer I go to. -dq | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2195 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>and what makes him smarter than Ferrari? << That's an easy one !!!! Factories build and SELL mistakes all the time...common practice actually!!! Then when the mistakes hit the Real World "MECHANICS" usually Independents...Diagnois and in many cases develop "fixes" for those Factory Mistakes!!! Factories build new cars...they are not in the Repair Business as such....warranty repairs for Factories are a neccesary evil not a school for self improvement. BTW: if there is a costly Flaw in some portion of a design it is every bit as important to air it in public as it is to air how pretty they look sitting in ones garage, even more so imo! | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 176 Registered: 3-2003 |
Chaz, the facts are whatever they are - Shiltec certainly appears to have a nice shop and selection of cars. I just hope they'll be very, very thoughtful before advising folks to avoid a certain model year or years. No problem at all with your post, by the way, as I said, the facts are whatever they are. I know nothing about this issue at all and lack the technical expertise to evaluate it. | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 70 Registered: 5-2003 |
I do see your point, but shiltec are all Ferrari trained technicitions, i dont think they know better than ferrari but i wouls ask my self this question why would Ferrari suddenly deside to put oil ways between con rod faces after a certain date.I saw the con rods, and thats what i was told.I am supprised no one has heard of this before. | ||
| Justyn (Justynb)
Junior Member Username: Justynb Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2003 |
Shiltech do Ferrari tuning / repairs and are near Donnington in the UK. See: http://www.shiltech-ferrari.co.uk/ | ||
| will h (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 173 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hi Chaz - As he apparently is trashing the value of my and other folks cars, who or what is Shiltec, and what makes him smarter than Ferrari? Don't mean to seem touchy, but also not eager to see values drop. Thanks. | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 69 Registered: 5-2003 |
They told me that all cars before 2001 never had the oil groves,then ferrari realized there mistake and starting drilling oil ways from mid 2001.The owner complained of a knocking noise and drove it to Shiltec,as he drove the noise got worse.Nasty one this one becourse the owner could not for some reason have it fixed under warranty.It like they have not admitted this error publicy.This is very interesting indeed,and i for one would feel very uncomfortable with a pre 2000 360.Realy sucks ey? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 2194 Registered: 11-2002 |
Interesting! Did they describe the symptoms of how one might know it's the rods? | ||
| chaz richards (Chaa)
Junior Member Username: Chaa Post Number: 68 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hi dudes just got back from Shiltek ferrari for oil cooler for one of my F cars.Any way there was a 2000 model 360 modena there with its engine out.I was shown around the stripped engine and was shown the con rod big ends and was told the car has only done 15000 miles and that what happend was the con rod had rubed the con rod next to it being that a pair of rods share the same crank shaft jurnel.I was told that they have done a few 360s with the same problem,and Ferrari now machine oil ways into the side faces of the con rods to aid oil flow.I asked if Ferrari had a recal over this problem and was told Ferrari would never do that.So the question i am asking is do drivers of pre 2000 modena's know this becourse this might be a clear case oh a ticking time bomb. Comments.Chaz |