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Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 11:52 am: | |
Sounds like a plan, stan. Check out
http://www.autosalon-singen.de/auto-salon.cfm?languageID=GB
I may be there soon! Need to find someone in Germany, near there, who may not mind looking at it for me.
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J R K (Kenyon)
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Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 621
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 10:24 am: | |
Marc,
Germany is the best place to buy and sell LHD's.
Its cheaper to buy a LHD in this country then on main land Europe. Which I did. My car came from the BBC after they finish filming with it. They imported it from Germany did not register it in the UK while filming. So I am the first UK registered own with one previous owner from Germany. The car was fully serviced by Maranello - belts, clutch, brakes, brake discs, about 5,000 pounds worth with only 18,000 miles on the clock. This was for Health and Safety (law) reasons when the car was on set. I paid just over �30,000 pounds and have seen the same car (348 Spyder 1994) in Germany, Vienna and Italy at a main dealers for sale - equilavent to �45,000 UK sterling pounds. You pay that in the UK for RHD!!!
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Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 9:29 am: | |
Ha! I don't think that will be a major issue!!! |
Rick (Bromers)
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Username: Bromers
Post Number: 5
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 6:35 am: | |
Prices in mainland Europe are firming up (mainly due to the strength of the Euro), was orginally looking for a LHD and importing it into the UK but prices are cheaper here. If the market collapses here then you still have an alternative of selling in Italy or Germany with a LHD car not so with a RHD. RHD will always command a higher price than LHD - if LHD prices stay good then the RHD should do the same.
Overtaking whether its LHD or RHD is NEVER an issue when its a Ferrari !!
Only problem is the wife can't drive it - is that a problem ?????? |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 4:35 am: | |
JRK,
Thinking along similar lines I think..how/where have you gone about selling overseas in the past?
Thanks,
Marc |
Michael Vaughan (Vanimal)
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Username: Vanimal
Post Number: 55
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 4:05 am: | |
Marc
When you go to Foskers, deal with Jeff if you can, he is a great guy and has been looking after my 348 for a while. The other guys there might not be as flexible on pricing. |
J R K (Kenyon)
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Username: Kenyon
Post Number: 618
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2003 - 1:10 am: | |
Marc,
I have always had LHD drive Italian cars.
I currently have a 348 spyder LHD. Its not a problem driving it in the UK. The only time maybe is when on a country road and you need to over take a truck, you need to hang back to be able to see and overtake.
I have been told by many that LHD Ferraris are built better then RHD. Its original being LHD.
I have saved about �12,000 pounds buying a LHD drive compared to a RHD. When I sell it, It will be sold on the continent for the same money you would pay for RHD in the UK. Done this for years ad never lost out. |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 5:34 pm: | |
27 is all in. The car is already UK registered - he was not having any joy selling quickly, so took it over there for them to sell on his behalf..thought he would get more for a LHD in Europe..probably would, but he was tempted by someone ready to go here. Shame I didn't call him a week ago before he drove the car there! |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 314
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 2:33 pm: | |
They look to be a pretty decent outfit (I counted 7 288's!), if the cars as good as they say the price doesnt seem too much, does the 27 include VAT and reg?.
if you need any help just ask
you've probabley seen Flurdlys in the autotrader or top marques, he's got a very very worn 348 up for 23k, but needs a major service a gearbox rebuild and a few other bits to get it working properly!
or it may have been the full page in the Daily Mail when he got finned (�85k!) for selling a vintage rolls which wasnt capable of moving under its own power! (having seen this guy's mechanic replace a brake bleed screw with an ordinary bolt would never bother buying there!!!) |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 13
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 1:05 pm: | |
I have an appointment to see Jeff Fosker next weekend! Going to have a look at that one and a couple of others they have on their site. Thanks for the comment though.
Flurdlys rings a major bell - trying to think where I have seen the name.
I also went to Kent High Performance yesterday - they have a lovely RHD for �35k which I am considering. The alternative best leftie I have been offered is a 16k miles in great condition, which I was bidding for on e-bay. I came in the highest bidder but missed the reserve, and have subsequently agreed a tentative price of �27k with the fella - only problem is he has since taken the car back to Deutschland where he bought it, and it is being prepared for sale there! Still a possibility though..not too far in the air and the drive back would be fun!
Fabulous showroom that he bought/is selling the car through - www.auto-salon-singen.de
This one has full Ferrari history, all the tools, internal and external covers, and lots of complimentary literature he has collected. Interior looks new apparently, and the exterior is original and in excellent condition (no rust).
BUT I haven't seen it and it is in Germany now!
Whaddayareckon? |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 313
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 11:05 am: | |
If you had a few million to throw into a new business and wanted your computer and electronics systems designing as one fully intergrated package you'd give me a call |
LWR (Lwr)
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Username: Lwr
Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 10:40 am: | |
Andrew.. what's a "Technical Architect"? |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 312
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 8:03 am: | |
Hey, Marc if you look at foskers add this week they have a rhd 328 for 27K |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 311
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 7:56 am: | |
Marc, the mileage was an issue with this car, however I think I've seen it re-advertised last week with only 45K on the clock!!!! I recalled the number was along the lines of F328MAR (or similar, with writing above the number stating it was a Ferrari 328 Maranello (or something like that))
the price is about right with so-so rhd cars being sold for high 20's, but as I said you can get a LHD 348 for almost the same money, there has been a black one advertised in the autotrader and owners club site for less than that (have seen LHD 328's from 20K and 348 from 22K)
quite a few of the cheaper LHD cars seem to be based around manchester and Cheshire so a nationwide search via the trader or top marques may yeild a good car at a fair price
Oh and if you find a car and it happens to be advertised by a trader under "flurdlys" "FDI" or similar and its just outside chester, run away as you will end up buying trouble,
This guys been bankrupted twice and only just escaped a nice stretch inside for selling dodgy cars, have personally been in a car described as perfect and just serviced only to find starters cobled together, bald tyres, mileage that really doesnt bear any resemblance to the cars condition, hidden crash damage, service history missing pages and things not actually done etc etc etc... all nicely covered up with fresh paint a quick blast of conoly paint and lots of silicon spray over the plastic.
but hey if you want anybody to look over a car in the north just ask |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 5:34 am: | |
That link doesn't work for some reason, but do a search on www.exchangeandmart.co.uk or autotrader.co.uk and there are plenty of RHD Ferraris available, as well as LHD models. |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 11
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 5:32 am: | |
Yoshi,
There are many RHD cars available in the U.K. not sure how you could go about importing one though! Have a look at the below link as an example.
Andrew - that sounds very cheap for a RHD 328. Do you think high mileage was the main factor? I have been looking at RHD's ranging from �30-35k, the higher end of that gets a very nice one through a dealer, but not the lowest mileage/best available, which seem to be around the �40k mark..blows my budget. Good LHD's (88/F, low mileage, great condition) seem to be around the �25k mark - huge difference!
http://www.exchangeandmart.co.uk/search/car_search.php?MakeName=FERRARI&ModelName=328&Minprice=&Maxprice=&PostCode=&distance=&SortSpec=Price+desc&showphotos=Y&Mileage=&TradeSale=&RegistrationYear=&BasicBodyColour=&query= |
Yoshi Ace (Tiger_ace)
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Username: Tiger_ace
Post Number: 172
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2003 - 1:23 am: | |
You drive on left lane for going forward just like Japan, right? Then you will have same problems. When you are going through tollway & drive-thru, you will have hard time. When you take a right turn, you tend to have a blind spot for pedestrian, especially if you are in hurry to make a turn. Shifting right or left hand sounds like no problem to you, as you said. It was a problem for me. Also according to what I read in the article, you may have hard time finding repair parts for transmission, as it was the case for M-Benz in Japan for while. (not anymore, but back in 80's) BTW, I didn't know RHD F-car was available. |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
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Username: Andrewg
Post Number: 310
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 2:33 pm: | |
Marc
I use a left hook 911 everyday and have used and owned a couple of LHD F-cars, there are no real problems except the odd ocassion where it's a little more difficult to overtake becuase of visibility (I just hang back a little more so I can see round)
As for the price, an RHD 89 328GTS with 80K on the clock sold locally for �26k (however I'd run screaming round the village naked before buying from this dealer!), as always if you look long enough you can find a genuine bargain,
Re-sale shouldnt be a problem as long as you keep the asking price realistic (after all why buy a LHD at 25K if you can get a RHD for 26K or even a 348 for �27K)
Good luck, and don't forget to PPI before you buy |
Marc Hartog (Hedge)
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Username: Hedge
Post Number: 10
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2003 - 12:42 pm: | |
Hi guys,
I posted recently regarding a Testarossa I was looking at purchasing as a first Ferrari. Your advice and additional research led me to the conclusion that a V12 as number one was not the best idea, and I have settled on searching for a late 328 GTS, which I am actively doing now.
My question really is whether any of you own or have owned LHD models in the U.K, and if it caused you problems a) driving, and b) on re-sale.
It doesn't bother me to be on the 'wrong' side, and I have driven 'normal' LHD cars both here and abroad, so I am sorely tempted given the huge price premium (up to �10k!) for a RHD model.
Whichever side I am going to be sitting on, I look forward to posting pics here soon!
Thanks for all the help so far. Any thoughts? |