| Author | Message | ||
| rich stephens (Dino2400)
Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 618 Registered: 10-2001 |
Yes, Forza's dino article contained some errors, but the tribute to Genny Obert was very nice of them to do. We all miss her. Our own Ferrari Chat tribute page to Jens and Amar also appears in this issue so for those who don't normally buy Forza, you may want to pick up this one. -Rich | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 171 Registered: 8-2002 |
Alan L.! I had nearly the exact story with Virginia DMV. Once I got the clerk to believe than the vin for my car was only 5 digits, she pulled it up on her screen and looked at me funny. "You say this is a 1968 Ferrari?" She went to speak to her boss who came back w/ a uniformed officer. Apparently my Ferrari was coming up as a STOLEN farm trailer. They gave me plates after I showed them a photo I keep w/ me (gotta have your baby pics, right?) and assured them that I had not paid nearly 50k for a 'hot' farm trailer. They stuck a vowel at the end of my serial # on my title to differentiate me from the trailer and sent me on my way . . . | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2217 Registered: 10-2002 |
A Ferrari being a Fiat? How sad. A Dodge being a Daimler? How cool! Funny btw how successfully Toyota fooled the US market in separating itself from Lexus. Very different in Europe where they're only looked at as glorified Toyotas. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2999 Registered: 9-2001 |
When I got the insurance on my BB512i the paperwork kept coming back as a 308. Several calls later I got it corrected. Corporations 101 is clear, ALL Ferraris are Fiats just as all Chevys are GMs and all Dodges are DamilerChyslers and all Lexis are Toyotas, ect...Parent companies own their subsideraries. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 146 Registered: 12-2002 |
The credit union carrying my note had Ferrari mispelled on the paperwork. A clerk corrected it and asked "My son's friend has one of these Fieros, why is this one so expensive?" I told her, "This one has leather upholstery." Everybody have a safe weekend! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2216 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan, that makes me feel better. When I talked to my insurance company, they asked of course what car it was. So I said 'a 308 GTS Ferrari'. Their response: "And who makes those?" ...maybe Frank is on to something: We're all just driving Fiats... | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 145 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's funny! But in Texas when they put in my 5 digit VIN it showed up as "Farm Implement Trailer"! It took THREE DAYS betwwen the Tax office, TxDOT and finally Houston Police Dept. Auto Theft division (?!) to agree that it really might just be A CAR. Then a supervisor at the tax office went over to the bewildered clerk and said, "Hit 'Overide' and sell this man some plates!" I was rolling on the floor. Two days later, in a grocery store, a guy walks up and says, "Aren't you the guy with that yellow Ferrari?", he was HPD! I feel safe, even in the big city. I tried to tell my insurance company it was FIAT, didn't work! | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2215 Registered: 10-2002 |
Frank, seriously I was thinking about you reading the article. I figured this would be water on your mill.  On an almost related note: When I bought my 308 (which you'd call a Dino I assume) the DMV send me a title for it with the correct VIN, but the manufacturer was FIAT and the type of vehicle a 2+2 limo. Are you working for our DMV by any chance? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2997 Registered: 9-2001 |
Andreas, FYI neither the Dino 206/246 nor the Fiat Dino had a Ferrari engine. Both had Dino engines manufactured by Fiat. If you will look at either of the Dino engines you will see FIAT stamped on the block. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2002 |
That's good Andy! You're right though, come to think of it! My Cavallino's are in binders in the living room bookcase, the Forza's are on a shelf over the Garage workbench, Ferrari parts, melted fuse blocks, old 308 tailights, useless stuff like that, is scattered everywhere! Gotta get a maid. FIAT Dinos: "Ferrari sized repair bills, FIAT sized resale!" Tread those waters VERY carefully. | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2214 Registered: 10-2002 |
Andy, I liked the Dino article. True, not very techy, but it gave me an impression on what the two cars feel like in comparison. And it was the first article I ever read about the Fiat Dino to begin with. I like a mag that covers 'hybrids' (non Ferraris with F engines). | ||
| Andy Barre (Abarre)
Junior Member Username: Abarre Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2003 |
Let's see... Forza - 8 issues per year for $25 FCA Prancing Horse - 4 issues per year for $100 Forza - 45 min read. PH - 5 minute read. Forza - $.07/min for reading pleasure PH - $5.00/min for reading pleasure Hmmmmm...... Which is the better deal? (never seen Cavalino) | ||
| V.Z. (Ama328)
Member Username: Ama328 Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2002 |
Cavillino is kinda like 'Scientific American': every word/number counts and is triple-checked... Forza is a bit like PLAYBOY, you tell people you buy it for the articles, but we all know you buy it for the pics | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 277 Registered: 3-2003 |
My $0.02: Read the article on the Dinos in this month's Forza. It reads as if a 12 year old had written it and has IMO serious errors. Cavallino on the other hand is very well done and appears to be assembled by more dedicated people than Forza. (They now have a sister publication dedicated to Corvettes that looks identical in format.) Try this: Walk over to the garbage can with Cavallino in one hand and Forza in the other. If you have to throw one away, which one is it? | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 138 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good comment, Doctor. I too have many Cavallino, back to about issue #11. Hurt my back in a recent move with all that stuff! I was very sorry to hear of the demise of one of Forza's contributors. At the young age of 44. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 398 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have a complete collection of both, starting with issue No 1. I find them them to be quite different. Cavallino is a true vintage Ferrari enthusiast's magazine; Forza is more current with articles for the present day car owner rather than those who dream but hardly ever see a 250 GTO and will never own one. I love all things Ferrari and they complement each other. Recently I inquired about a complete set of Cavallino: price: $ 4000.00.... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 2201 Registered: 10-2002 |
I guess it depends on whether your focus is more on the vintage cars or not. To me Forza is a 'cannot live without' and Cavallino is a five minute 'read'. Only bone I have to pick with Forza is the Maser coverage. I guess it comes with the territory. | ||
| Niels Schouten (250lm)
New member Username: 250lm Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2003 |
Cavallino is just a must have, Forza is a nice addition. Must say the picture quality in Cavallino (especially the featured cars) is excellent. Just my two cents | ||
| Dirk de Jager (Dj_dirk)
Member Username: Dj_dirk Post Number: 272 Registered: 2-2002 |
i get both mags and read them both but what i find disturbing with cavallino is that they do the half of the mag in black & white there they have a great article with beautifull pics taken for that article and then some are in color and some in b&w very annoying | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 310 Registered: 8-2003 |
GThomas, That was the Information I was looking for. Thank You | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 214 Registered: 2-2003 |
Cavallino is more geared toward the history of Ferrari - tracing the old exploits of a Lusso or 250LM - and recording its restoration. In detail. In extreme detail. Nary a photo anywhere in the publication goes without a serial number. As for the present day cars they have a simple straightforward expose - sometimes merely reprinting the Factoy press release. I guess they realize that for these cars all the info you can possibly ask for is readily abailable from a wide variety of sources. All in all a GREAT magazine. My fave. Forza is covers EVERYTHING Ferrari. Visiting Dealers, Buyers Guides, Reviews, Comparisons (ie the 250 California and a 360 Spider, i found very interesting...), Concourses (sp?), 3rd party retrofitters... To put on my critical-hat for a moment, they Foraz does tend to stretch themselves a little. Since they are printed every month sometimes i get a gut feeling that they have to search for something to print. (Lets face it.. Ferrari doesnt release a whole lot of info or new cars in the span of a year.) Their reviews are very flowery descrptions of the car... EVERY one has "beutiful supple leather", "take-your-breath-away acceleration", ""astounding top-speed", "beautifully designed by Pininfarina".. and on and on.. Just change the name of the car and - if neccessary - the number of cylinders and you'd basically get the next "review". Maybe thats a little a harsh... but, as i say, sometimes i get that feeling... But regardless... they are both fine magazines and i pick up both quite regularly... (i just wish Cavallino would arrive up here in Canada a little faster... i'm 3 behind!) GT | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 135 Registered: 12-2002 |
One is glued together. One has staples. I'm in Cavallino #133 with my charity work. Forza has yet to call. | ||
| Alan Leach (Speedy308)
Junior Member Username: Speedy308 Post Number: 134 Registered: 12-2002 |
One is from California. One is from Florida. LOL Bruce | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 2896 Registered: 4-2002 |
GO TO SCHOOL...THE BELL IS RINGING...YOU WILL BE LATE............. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 306 Registered: 8-2003 |
What is the difference between these 2 magazines. Is one more geared for the U.S. market. I don't hear many people talk about Cavillino. |