| Author | Message | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Senior Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 6215 Registered: 5-2001 |
file suit against the dealer and the bonding company. The bonding company likely will honor their responsability and in turn go after the dealer. If your consignment contract is consigning a vehicle then the dealer acknowledges it as a vehicle and the bonding company is/can be held liable. They just try to weasle themselves out like any insurance company tries to. Slap them with a lawsuit and you will see how "responsive" they get. To make my point again: That is why I do not take your cars when you consign to me! All I need is the info on the car and the pictures and that is it! You own the car, you pay for it, you keep it. | ||
| J. C. (Xojc)
New member Username: Xojc Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2003 |
Thank you, Jack. I've been in touch with Bonham's...it's touchy for them. My contract was for a sale "not less than $50,000." After I consigned the car, I never heard from the dealer again, but, apparently, he sold it for $32,000 and thought he could convince me to take the price, AFTER he sold it. Obviously, he thought I was an easy victim? I called him in late August, and when he returned my call, he told me he "could probably get $28,000 for the car"... I said "no thanks!" I never heard from him again. WEEKS LATER, he wouldn't take my calls when I left messages saying I wanted to show the car to someone (a former Ferrari rep from Canada). When this person and I finally went to the dealership, unannounced, the car wasn't there! We were told it was left with a Bonham's "affiliate" in California, because someone was considering buying it. After I researched with Bonham's, I found it had no "affiliate" and that the car had sold about a month earlier! Now the dealer's "story" is that I told him he could lower the price!!! (I do have a signed contract!) My lawyer is taking his deposition tomorrow, and his bonding company says this car isn't a "vehicle" and they won't cover it! The saga continues...while I try to find the correct info on the car. Thanks so much! Jeanne | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1054 Registered: 4-2003 |
J.C., You COULD contact Bonhams and discuss the case but it might be a better idea to get some more leagal advice first. There are a number of legal eagles that frequent this board who might be willing to jump in. Jack | ||
| J. C. (Xojc)
New member Username: Xojc Post Number: 9 Registered: 9-2003 |
Thank you, Wayne. So, it says the late 50's?? And, I wonder if there was a Scarletti who built these cars, or if it was Scaglietti, and there was a typo? This car is quite the mystery! I really appreciate the help you guys have given me. I hope someone will recognize the car body, so I can track down the facts. Thanks, again.. Jeanne (in Seattle) | ||
| Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Moderator Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 2558 Registered: 8-2002 |
JC, here's the description from the Bonham's auction catalogue. The builder is stated as being "Scarlatti" instead of Scaglietti and it repeats the ridiculous tale about the "car" being intended for Alfredino. "Lot 181 Ferrari Scarlatti child's car. Built by Scarlatti for Enzo Ferrari for his son Dino in mind, built as a limited edition of 10 to a very high standard in the late 1950s. The car features working suspension, clutch, differential, Sachs gearbox, motor cycle engine, Italian gauges, engine turned dash, key ignition. Delivered new to Luigi Chinetti for use in his showroom as a demo, it was part of the Macpherson collection for 25 years. A joy. $35,000-45,000." [This lot is not pictured.] | ||
| david charles (Supraboytt)
Junior Member Username: Supraboytt Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2001 |
they have a really really nice - old school f1 racer- i think its 2/3rds the size of the real deal -looks similar to the pic in vincents post- at the italian girft shop at the venetian in vegas its like 50k though they also have a 1/10 model of an enzo for like 6 or 7k but it is absolutely beautiful cool stuff at that place but absolutely the biggest rip off of any car place i have ever seen kyoshi 1/18 512bb- which is an amazing diecast- i have it - they cahrge like $125 for it - should be less than 70 | ||
| vincent decroix (Vince308)
Junior Member Username: Vince308 Post Number: 82 Registered: 5-2003 |
i had a contact in italy for model cars, replica ferrari with a piaggio 125 cc engine build by an ex ferrari workman. the engine was only serving to move the car. a very nice handmade replica.  | ||
| Bob (Dr_bob)
Junior Member Username: Dr_bob Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2003 |
Photos again:   | ||
| J. C. (Xojc)
New member Username: Xojc Post Number: 7 Registered: 9-2003 |
The paperwork that came with the car said.. "In or around 1952, Mr. Ferrari commissioned Scaglietti in Modena to produce a "Baby Ferrari" for his son, Dino. Apparently, as was their practice, they produced ten. One was sold to Mr. Ferrari's New York dealer, Mr. Chinetti, for the purpose of display in his dealership. The reported price was $12,000. At that time it was possible to purchase a new Ferrari for under $10,000. After several years in the dealership, the car was sold to Mr. Frank Catania of Las Vegas, who knew Mr. Chinetti from the Indy 500 races... After the death of his son, in a truck accident, Mr. Catania stored the Ferrari in a warehouse for 10 years. The car was purchased in 1978 and restored. The car has a hand pounded aluminum body with a "birdcage" frame. It is powered by a German motorcycle engine by Sachs. The car is completely hand built, with shocks, springs, third member, independent suspension, 3 speed forward w/ reverse, brake drums and shoes." This car was given to me as collateral for a large loan. After 10 years I gave it to a dealer for consignment, with a contract to sell for "not less than $50,000." Of course, there is more to the story...and it's not good! Someone said that Dino was born in 1932 so it didn't make sense...?? I can't seem to post the photos for some reason...I keep getting disconnected when I try??? | ||
| David M. Castelhano (Servizioman)
New member Username: Servizioman Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2003 |
J.C., Allegretti in Modena built many different models of both Ferrari and Maserati. They had a 500cc Fiat engine and could go quite fast. I do not know many young children who might be able to control such a car with a clutch and gear shift. Thay are really neat and I would love to have one none the less. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1163 Registered: 10-2001 |
http://www.continentalautosports.com/multiframe.asp?content=sportsearch/default&MyMake=Ferrari Here it is. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 1162 Registered: 10-2001 |
Continetal in Hinsdale IL (I think) has/had a 50's Ferrari style racer 1/2 size or so, with the gearshift in the center, and no seat belts. Obviously a car for a candidate for the Vienna Boys Choir! But it was gas powered, hand built...really beautiful. It was very expensive too. | ||
| J. C. (Xojc)
New member Username: Xojc Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2003 |
Looking for any information on this child size Ferrari...I've posted photos and lots of information under this heading, in the collectables section. Thank you for any details you might have. |