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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
"First off, i have to agree that driving 1 of 547 GNX's off a cliff would be stupid. Taking all 547 of them, and throwing them off a cliff one after the other, now theres an idea!"
Reminds me of a lawyer joke! |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 36
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:29 pm: | |
Rosso, sounds like that CEO has good taste in cars! |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1034
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:20 pm: | |
Sorry to hear that. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 35
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:11 pm: | |
Thanks for the less agressive responces guys...
Allan, im just not a big vette fan. I'm not a big GM fan in general (I have my reasons). The Z06 is the better road course car, but probably not more than once a year do I find myself at a road course. My plain and simple reasons for not buying the Vette was the fact I just didnt see where the extra cash would be going, aside from the fact I'v always wanted a Mustang Cobra and just this passed year I had the oppritunity to get my hands on one, and thats what I did.
EDIT: As far as the straight line performance of a 360 Spider and a Cobra is concerned, Iv only heard many stories about 03 Cobra's beating the 360 to upwards of 140mph so I admit there's very little credibility there to back that up. As much as I hate to mag race, both cars do 0-100 in the low 10's, and they both trap at around 110 mph and close out with average E/T's in the mid to high 12's. Based off the numbers on paper I'd say its not super unrealistic to beleive an 03 Cobra could take down a 360. Now I would imagine beyond 150 the 360's aero dynamic/suspension superiority would grant it garunteed victory. (To those of you other than allan reading this, I'm not comparing the 2 cars to prove a point or make the ferrari look bad, just to share with allan what I know and have heard)
As far as your opinion of the GNX is concerned Allan, its just that, your opinion. |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 428
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:07 pm: | |
N-
I have driven a couple 03's. Hence me saying sweet car  I like it more then my car as the interior is a lot better as well.
Sidenote number 2....Same CFO has a GNX as well.
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Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 34
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:03 pm: | |
Rosso, you should test drive an 03. The 03 Coupes suspension is much more reminisent of the 00R than it is the 99/01 Cobras. From what I here, without any suspension/downforce modifications the car starts to feel light between 160 and 170mph. (Thank you for the compliment about my car BTW )
As far as the main stream debate is concerned, Price vs Price. Im not the one argueing that. TIMN, Newman, and a couple others are. Only thing I was trying to do was enlighten those who didnt seem to know a whole lot about the cars being brought up in the dabate. I was trying to remain neutral by showing the ups and downs of owning both and I think some people took what I had to say the wrong way.
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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1033
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 4:01 pm: | |
First off, i have to agree that driving 1 of 547 GNX's off a cliff would be stupid. Taking all 547 of them, and throwing them off a cliff one after the other, now theres an idea!
As for the 2003 Cobra being faster than a 360, i must chime in and defend Ferrari (a first for me) as it is not. Not in stock trim atleast. Unfortunatley with a few small upgrades it can be, one of the benefits of forced induction.
As cars go, id have to say that in my opinion the Mustang is one of the worst, should of saved your money and bought a used Z06. |
Dave White (Dwhite)
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Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 138
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:58 pm: | |
Nathan, you're right it was not the GNX it was the Trans Am. Age has also given me the ability to say when I have f'ed up. However, I did not say drive it off a cliff, I said it would get to 170 by going off a ciff. Regardless, if you have driven a ferrari and I hope you have you know what Rosso is talking about - confidence and stability at speed. These cars have unbelievable suspensions. |
DES (Sickspeed)
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Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 6655
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:54 pm: | |
Ugh... |
Rosso (Redhead)
Member
Username: Redhead
Post Number: 426
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:47 pm: | |
Nathan--
Let me speak from First hand experience.
The cobras feel light at 140sh all the way to the limiter. I have a 99 and have done it on more then one occasion.
Regarding the F-cars.
I see your point in that a 30k car could be fast as a 100+ car, but there is something different about my car and a F car. I have driven pretty much every model of Ferrari's made back to even a 250 cal spyder(except for an Enzo damn damn damn). I can tell you that our cars, the cobra, the zo6's anything in that range is quick, fast maybe faster then a lot of F cars, BUT, there is a different feeling when driving any Fcar. The F cars are tighter, hold there line better, don't have stupid cup holders (sorry DES) etc etc etc.
I am not sure what your trying to "prove" or not, but take it as this. You have a SWEET ride. I love mine, even though I am selling it to buy something slower (an S4), but the Fcars are so much better is so many ways. People ask me all the time how someone can spend X amount of $'s on a Bentley when they can buy a MB or BMW for half, all I reply is you have to drive to experience it.
I don't want to sound like I am talking down to you or anything, I just want you to know..we are all here for the love of F cars and that is our passion.
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Side-note.---A very well known CFO of a major computer company has a barn of cars. You name it, its in there. His daily driver....03 Cobra Convt.
and from time to time his 00 Cobra R |
Rosso (Redhead)
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Username: Redhead
Post Number: 425
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:46 pm: | |
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Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 33
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:23 pm: | |
Hey dave... who said 170mph?
And driving 1 in 547 GNX'es off a cliff... that would be incredibly stupid. |
Dave White (Dwhite)
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Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 137
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:17 pm: | |
Best bang for your buck for pure performance. Like someone said earlier, get a Busa. My friend has one of the unlimiteds and he laughs at everything, They're only $6000 - $8,000 used. One thing I learned along time ago, there is always something faster and there will alway be. I get a huge amount of pure pleasure driving my 308 and that has a certain amount of value to me. Shoot you can put together a Factory Five Cobra for under 30K and it will leave most cars behind, even this guys dreamland 170mph GNX, yeah, off a cliff maybe. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 32
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 3:12 pm: | |
http://www.mustangii.net/images/2plus2/hatchback_rear_bw.jpg
You know the funny thing is there is probably a person out there who thinks this car is sharp. I myself think you'ed have to be off your rocker to see the beauty there, but thats why we live (atleast most of us on here) in the united states. He has the freedom to like or dislike whatever he wants for whatever reason. If he doesnt appritiate 200,000 dollar cars and he cant see the point of forking over that much cash... Good for him, he's happy with what he's got, I commend him (not shoot him out of the water like some people on here like to do) for the choice he's made.
Like Iv said 1000 and 1 times, I like ferrari's and I more than justify paying for the car, because to me I preceive it more as a work of Art than a Car. If I didnt would that make me a dumb ass? Would I be uncultured because I dont like what you like or see the point in paying for what you have? Lets be realistic and conciderate of other peoples choices here. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 31
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:57 pm: | |
Corey... I dont think you know what ugly is to be honest.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/342000-342999/342207_2.jpg |
Corey Feldman (Meatballs_4)
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Username: Meatballs_4
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:55 pm: | |
Yes that truly is a timeless design, lol! |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:52 pm: | |
Ironically Allan. I think the G-body is one of the prettiest designs to come out of GM. Thats my 2 cents though. |
Corey Feldman (Meatballs_4)
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:50 pm: | |
I just vomited on my keyboard, please stop posting Buick pics. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:47 pm: | |
Hugh, I just said I would love to own a ferrari if I had the money... How is this not fathoming why people enjoy ferrari's? I have my reasons for wanting one. I realize all too well that ferrari's arent the fastest. (I drive a car thats quicker stock than a 360). That doesnt matter to me though. Thats why I said "But as fast as my car is, I could justify handing over a couple hundred grand for a 360, if I have that much to spend. Its a Ferrari..." Hence (COULD). I have my reasons for wanting a ferrari.
Your trying to prove a point that doesnt exsist pal. Maybe you just misunderstood how I worded my statement.
You think I'm crazy for paying 30 grand for a Mustang much like I think someone who pays a couple mill for a diomond studded rolex is crazy, why does that make me the ass hole? |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1032
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:44 pm: | |
I think my grandmother drove one of those! Id have to say that id be pissed if i got my doors blown off by one of those, but id also be embarassed for the guy driving it. I wouldnt drive one if i was paid to, and it was an 8 second car. One of the Ugliest cars ever made. |
Tim N (Timn88)
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Username: Timn88
Post Number: 3430
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
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Tim N (Timn88)
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Username: Timn88
Post Number: 3429
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
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Tim N (Timn88)
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Username: Timn88
Post Number: 3428
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:40 pm: | |
Tom, its even more embarrasing when the kid in thenext lane with the $5000 buick regal t-type (not grand national, those look decent) blows the doors off the 360.
this is a low 12 second car. it'd probably cost no more than $6k, including cost of car to make one that fast, just not that clean. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 651
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:31 pm: | |
Dave thanks for the kind remarks about the 308's.
I love my Ferrari, and I will probbably have it until the day I die. But the argument in this thread is about cost vs performance. I beleive that Ferrari should be offering a least one strictly performance oriented car and of course have the GT cars aswell. The 360 CS is by far the best offereing we have seen from ferrari in a long time. I think this should have bee the car they built in the first place. But the point of the matter here is not history,or whatever..it's about winning and losing a race with a car 1/4 of the price. My 308 could get tossed into the weeds by a mini van, I really don't care about that,but a 360 owner or what ever,would be very embarassed if the kid in the next lane with a 35,000 subaru just blew his doors off. |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1102
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:11 pm: | |
"I can buy a used lightning for $120K less than a used 355"
The market for used F355s right now is $80-$120, So for you statement to be true, somebody has to be giving you $40 to take the Lightning off their hands--UNLIKELY. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
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Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1442
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 1:30 pm: | |
Nathan: why are you still talking? Frankly, I, think you're nuts for handing over 30k (or whatever you paid) for a mustang... have a nice day, pal. And, if you can't/won't/refuse to fathom why people enjoy ferraris, like being around them, and insist on living with such "poor judgment" then leave, period. Ferraris aren't perfect, and no here says they are, nor do they buy them with the explicit pre-requisite of perfection; if one of these cars is somthing you've simply got to have (regardless of why) then so be it ,and a lot of people cherish the satisfaction from being able to reward themselves, within a lifetime, by having a desire materialize, and this extends to the guy with the ferrari, the piccasso (I'd prefer a rothko, myself), or the guy (like myself) whos going to buy himself a tag monaco, b/c I've earned it. Life is puncuated by watermarks of achievement (whatever they may be), and it just so happens that not everyone bought a ferrari b/c it's the fastest, best, whatever, but owning one of these cars just so happens to be one of those watermarks for most of the people here. The same can be said of the guy that bought the lambo, gallardo, rolls, bently, big house... or bought his wife a diamond necklace (simply because he could). |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Username: Nathan_kreegar
Post Number: 28
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 1:13 pm: | |
I guess the Moral here is, its whatever makes you happy. I myself think you'ed have to be ... pardon my french "•••••• in the head" to pay millions for a picaso, even if I had millions laying around the house to spend on it for the hell of it. I think a person would be crazy to fork over 100 grand for a rolex, when my 20 dollar timex tells time just as efficiently as a rolex does.
Its all preference I guess. The nice thing about my Cobra for instance is, for now its the best I could afford, and I'v always wanted a Mustang Cobra since the first black Fox Cobra I saw sitting in a Ford showroom back in 1993, so it works out. But as fast as my car is, I could justify handing over a couple hundred grand for a 360, if I have that much to spend. Its a Ferrari... Some people are Art enthusiests, some people are jewlry enthusiests, some people are car enthusiests. |
Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
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Post Number: 810
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 7:31 am: | |
That is a nice looking Chevette ~ Paul.
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Dave White (Dwhite)
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Username: Dwhite
Post Number: 132
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 7:18 am: | |
Some people are willing to pay millions for a Picasso to hang on their wall, while others hang paint-by-numbers. They both cover the wall, so I guess by the logic of Paul and Tom the Picasso's are millions overpriced.
Paul and Tom both have beautiful 308s I can't understand how they ever want to be seen in them. Maybe they like Picassos more then paint-by-numbers. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 2:34 am: | |
Also Jon, I know your trying to make a point with the price comparisons, and I agree, but are Toyota Atlantic's even street legal? Its one thing to compare 2 production vehicles that are built to be driven on the street. Its another to start comparing to open wheel racers. |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 1:14 am: | |
As far as I'm concerned, about the 9 second chevette, I have to admit, I wouldnt be traumatized by it enough to go out and buy a Kcar for a few hundred bucks to slap a 426 hemi in it, but I would deffinatly be left feeling just a little discouraged.
Nobody likes to lose, whether there in a 700,000 dollar car, or a 10,000 dollar car so its only natural to feel a slight down when it happens.
Newman, if I were in your shoes, I'd build up your 308. Thats just me though. I'd rather be seen going fast in a Ferrari (old or new) than going fast in something much less exclusive. (esspecially more so than souped up economy) |
Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:44 am: | |
Hey Newman, if you get a Z06 are you going to feel ashamed when you pull up to this 9 second Chevette and it blows your doors off for only 10,000?
Your assertions are ridiculous, and you've spouted out more bullshit on this thread than even the Grand National Rodeo show can dream of.
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Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
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Username: 95f355c
Post Number: 1060
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:14 pm: | |
I can only speak of canadian prices but if I can buy a used lightning for $120K less than a used 355 that is quicker and stops as well then isnt the truck a great bang for the buck? Arent you paying too much for the performance the 355 gives you?
Price is all relative. Is a 360 which closely mirrors the performance of a Z06 worth that much more than the Vette. Depends on your financial state and what's important to you in a car.
All this crap about "..well my car is as fast as your car and it's 100K cheaper...blah, blah, ..."
What the hell is this supposed to prove. Hell for 8K you can buy a a Honda CBR that will dust anything from a Lightening to an Enzo.
So under the current line of thinking you all are going to look pretty stupid paying 50K for a ZO6 or 30K for a F150 Lightening when 8K buys you something that will anhilate the crap out of either of those toys.
And if it's the track we are talking well that 150K 360C or half a million Enzo will get the •••• spanked out of it by a 50K Toyota Atlantic with get this......
..A PUNY FOUR CYLINDER engine with 250 hp.
Now you are really going to look like a fool having parted with a cool half million on the Enzo, F40LM, 333SP and get your butt waxed by Toyota FOUR BANGER.
Yep....I can see it now, Joe Average talking to a new Enzo whom he just lapped four times in one session "...... You paid what for that Italian Stallion....I could buy an Indy car for that money.."
The arguement about this car or that car costing thousands less but offering the same performance is all relative.
Regards,
Jon
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Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 11:04 pm: | |
Just for discussion, a better comparison in the straight line for the 355 would be the 03 Cobra.
This is a vid of an 03 Cobra doing 0-160 with 2.80" upper supercharger pulley and a diablo sport chip. Dont mind, the guy misses 5th . Funny thing is at 160 he still has 1 more gear to spare. (6th)
http://www.suprascene.com/tmp/fullout.wmv
Supposidly, (I hate to recite magazines) but the 03 Cobra has been paired with the 355 in general (which would include straight line, handling, braking etc.)
With that said, the 355 is still one of my favorite Ferraris (and cars, I think its one of the best looking ones too.) and someday I'm going to get my hands on one, but the old Cobra will have to suffice until then. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
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Post Number: 649
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:37 pm: | |
"so far into the rubarb you need a compass to find your way out" ROTFLMAO!!!!
Scary thought but he's right |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1099
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 9:22 pm: | |
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=3082&page_number=1
Indicates this is a 5.2-5.4 second vehicle, with a top speed of mid 140s, that does 13.8 sec 1/4 miles at 104 and 0.81 Gs on the skidpan.
http://205.180.85.40/w/pc.cgi?mid=22462&sid=12921
paints a similar picture, and give the measured weight 4300 lbs!
http://www.hostultra.com/~peter78ba/f348_s.htm
indicates its just barely faster than an F348 in a straight line! |
Modified348ts (Modman)
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Post Number: 725
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 9:17 pm: | |
Personally I don't really care for cars capable of getting over 140 unless you are doing track sessions often. I like the power of a vehicle that can get you there fast more than working towards or more than 200mph. I've been close to that speed and you run out of room real fast for safety and it takes some time getting up there to take chances for the worst. Also to add, NO I don't do it in traffic where I would risk others lives, just my own. |
Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 8:51 pm: | |
You guys are smoking crack...pcikup trucks and buicks??? I'm half waiting for allan to actually post tractor specs to see how lomg you argue if a 355 could beat it.
BTW, if you put a 308 or 512 on modern tires, they stop as fast as any new car ferrari or otherwise from 60 or 100, it's multiple stops from high speed that are the problem.....PUT THE CRACK AWAY, YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH.... |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 8:49 pm: | |
Ernesto I realize that. My 03 Cobra is electronically limited to 155 until I upgrade to a performance chip of some sort. That doesnt mean my cars only good to 155. Theoretically, without its electronic limiter the cars design is good to 170mph before it starts feeling light. With an aftermarket performance chip it will do 170 (many a videos out there with the 160mph speedo barried)
Like I mentioned earlier, once my dad had installed his pitbull racing chip and ram air, (back in 87) He took a 944 turbo to 130mph (could have taken it to 150 but his exit ramp was comming up) When they hit 100 the 944 slowly but surely started dropping back all the way until they shut down. Like I said in 87 those 944's were pretty tough. After that race they both pulled off and the 944 guy started naming off his mods... When he asked dad what he had dad just said "Just a performance chip, other than that its a stock Buick V6" The guy got mad and sped off.
The Buick without its electronic limiter is good for 150mph (150mph is pretty scary in a G-body)
Like I said, the 89 Turbo Trans-Am with the same Grand National engine was good for 170 to 180 mph, that was bone stock (which I also said pissed GM off because it was butting into there ZR-1's performance)... I apologize for sounding hostile towards you ernesto, you were just making sound like "Oh the cars physically only good for 124 mph and then it cant go any faster because its a big bulky block and it only has a measly 275hp." |
Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 1745
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| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 8:32 pm: | |
Nathan, for me 124mph is barely over 100mph.
Ernesto |
Nathan Edward Kreegar (Nathan_kreegar)
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 8:20 pm: | |
Hugh, to your responce about some of my messages. I agree, there is no comparison. I was just making sure the truck does receive some credit for what it is. Apples and Oranges, couldnt state it better, but I beleive the Lightning does deserve some credit in more than just what it can do in the straight line.
Now I realize this is a ferrari site, and im not big on preaching to people on there own car site that there car isnt as good as brand X car by anymeans, even if I was on some ricer site I'd still respect the fact I was on there home site... All im trying to do though is throw some facts out there to dispell some common misconseptions that people have about some of the non ferrari cars and trucks, (I wouldnt have said anything if this thread wouldnt have surfaced) things like saying the 4700lbs Lightning would need a parachute to stop as quick as a 355 and the GNX can barely do over 100. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
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Post Number: 1440
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 7:17 pm: | |
Newman, frankly, Ferraris are great, and I like thenm quite a bit, but I'd take a GT2 / GT3 over just about anything short of an Enzo. So, now that we've cleared that up (and you don't think I've got a ferrari spA hanky over my eyes), let's go on.
My point is, newman, that I've seen the lightening on track, and am telling you, it can't keep up; as in, your hypothetical situation doesn't play out in the real world the way you imagine it to. Sorry.
Again, newman, there will never be a day when a 4700lbs mass can outbrake, out accelerate and out corner a 3000lbs mass; it's the most explicit ecxample of apples to oranges (or maybe watermelons) to date.
If you throw the Z06 in, it's a closer comparison, but (again) it's a different set of means, to a similar end.
ps: Not everyone here buys a ferrari, or any car, for my particular desires (i.e, beating them until they're ragged at the track on a regular basis), and I'm by no means a chassis snob ( I like vettes, lambos, porsches, hondas, etc.), but I'm stressing your comparison b/c it undermines physics.
pps: newman, thanks for the benefit of the doubt re: I'm not a moron. I "appreciate" it. Can I list you on my CV? ( Being that good references are so hard to come by, these days, ya know?)
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Ernesto (T88power)
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Post Number: 1744
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 7:11 pm: | |
LOL... Lightning... There was one at the last track day I went to... Couldt even keep up with Carreras...
Ernesto |
Newman (Newman)
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Post Number: 1328
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 7:05 pm: | |
Hubert, i know you arent a moron and Im happy your highly modified 355 cant take a stock lightning on the track but you missed my point. I can only speak of canadian prices but if I can buy a used lightning for $120K less than a used 355 that is quicker and stops as well then isnt the truck a great bang for the buck? Arent you paying too much for the performance the 355 gives you? Not to mention upkeep? It doenst bother you that a commoner with a so so job can buy something that blows your 355 so far into the rhubarb that you need a compass to find your way out? It would bother me. You dont like the truck scenario? Then use a Z06 in place of lightning in the above paragraph. |
Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 1327
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 6:54 pm: | |
Like Mark said, its the street where you encounter these people that want to race and thats what matters. If you guys that got all bent out of shape over the lightning statement cant handle it then too bad I dont really care. I can see that ferraris arent the be all and end all of cars and they arent all they are cracked up to be. |
Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 1438
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 6:54 pm: | |
Ben: did you get my email? |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member
Username: Artherd
Post Number: 953
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 6:53 pm: | |
"this one time, at laguna seca"
Hugh- you crack me up!
Best!
Ben. |
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