| Author | Message | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1083 Registered: 4-2002 |
"So Mitch,where does that leave the 550-575?" Not a car for me--although I don't have anything against them. "mitch - lotus esprit is on the midengine greatness list too" Yes, but as a mid/late 1980's design (and freshend a couple of times), its chassis is behind the times. But then the real (small/first) mid engined cars (Europa) made an MGB look BIG! | ||
| Michael Basic (Sensational1)
New member Username: Sensational1 Post Number: 22 Registered: 2-2003 |
Ferrari's aren't anything different than any other product when it comes to choosing. People buy on emotion, and justify with facts. | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2003 |
mitch - lotus esprit is on the midengine greatness list too But,,,, having exotic cars is great and all, but ive felt recently that the cheapest car I own is more comfortable and has a good stereo and AC and is more practical (ford ranger edge $12,100 2003)than all my more 'fancy' cars ( lotus s4s, infinity g35, saab convertible)... having 10K$ 3 cylinder jetskis with 210+ HP makes you really think paying over 150k for 360 HP is a hoodwink. If you are thinking material value, you get robbed when you buy a new fcar. ITs the same as paying 300 for haynes cotton socks with a sleek profile and a sewn in badge. Do you think that fcar aluminum is so much different? he he he. Actually many parts are of lower quality than cars 1/10th the price. it isnt about the car in a ferrari, its about the owner/driver/ego/onlookers Ferraris are beautiful, fast, rare , and total material robbery, kinda like a picasso. IF you get it you get it... | ||
| philip (Fanatic1)
Member Username: Fanatic1 Post Number: 447 Registered: 2-2003 |
Breakdown in my eyes.......... Performance 40% of the cost Passion 20% of the cost Exclusivness 40% of the cost...........I love Ferrari's because when you pull up in a Ferrari, everyone looks.............It's an exclusive club. Dues have to be paid. There are cars out there that will perform side by side, but none of them will turn the heads like the Prancing Horse........... | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 231 Registered: 9-2002 |
So Mitch,where does that leave the 550-575? I agree about the mystique,history, and all of that,I just think that's where much of your dollars are going. Especially with the new cars that will never see a track. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1079 Registered: 4-2002 |
Q) What dollar amount do you place on putting the engine in the right location? (i.e. Mid-engine) A) a lot C) this makes the limits of the car only accessible on a race track--which is why I frequent them often (18 times this year). Q) how many compeditors to Ferrari also put the engine in the right location? A) Lamborghini, Acura NSX, Bugatti, Lotus Elise, Mosler, Saleen. Pagini | ||
| Dave White (Dwhite)
Junior Member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 113 Registered: 5-2003 |
I once heard someone say about Ferraris when asked "What is it about Ferraris" and his answer was "If you have to ask, you will never understand". | ||
| Morrie Richfield (Carnut)
Junior Member Username: Carnut Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nick: I could not agree more, your opinion mirrors mine. As for the Vette, I bought two, a coupe and a convertable last spring, they are both gone. Yes they do offer alot of bang for the buck, but to me there is nothing like the driver feedback the 360 offers. In my opinion, logic has nothing to do with purchasing any car over 100k, its about something else, and to some its passion, to others prestige, we all know our reasons, hell I'll be the first to admit, even after all this time, I still sometimes walk into my garage just to share at my cars. Just my two cents | ||
| DGS (Dgs)
Member Username: Dgs Post Number: 337 Registered: 5-2003 |
From the reports I've heard, a Vette can keep up with a 360 (mostly), but the Vette driver has to have his kidneys replaced afterwards.  Performance isn't entirely measured in 0-60 numbers or lateral Gs. It's also measured in the way the car keeps its tires stuck to the ground, its ability to absorb surface bumps while maintaining performance, etc. It's also expressed in the interaction between the vehicle and the driver. When I test drove an '88 M3, I keenly felt the lack of feedback I had gotten from my Alfa GTV-6, and that I get from my 328. My new EVO8 will out brake the 328 and (with the boost on) out accererate it. The fat Advan tires give close to the 328's cornering. But for me, the communications between car and driver give me far more confidence in the Ferrari than I get from the EVO. Besides; the EVO is just a Mitsubishi. It's the law of diminishing returns. You can get 90% of the performance for half the price. But that last two or three percent ... that's expensive! | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 230 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bill I agree with you, I am just starting to question what $$ amount that is worth when you have 2 cars that perform almost identically yet cost 150k apart.Using a vette and a 360 as an example, you are basically paying 120k for the heritage,look,exclusivity.To me,I am starting to think that spending the extra money you should be getting serious tangible benefits,not just how you feel while driving a car not many people have. It should out perform anything in its class and give you something for your money. | ||
| Bill Gomez (Bgomez)
New member Username: Bgomez Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2003 |
Jeff, A Timex keeps better time than a Rolex and as an added bonus has an alarm too. Many cars out there have more bells and whistles but for me it's the styling, heritage, and the "Ferrari driving experience" that you can't compare with other manufacturers. | ||
| Will 575 (Willh)
Member Username: Willh Post Number: 251 Registered: 3-2003 |
"I have a deposit on the Bentley GT convert that will be coming after the coupe debuts." Fantastic choice, can't wait to see a photo. I didn't even know a convertible was coming, should be well worth the wait. As for the Azure, your question about the value of a new car seems particularly apt, as one can buy low mileage Azures in, what, the low to mid 200s, as compared to the $390k sticker on the new car? regards, Will | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 229 Registered: 9-2002 |
Good point Will,although I know there is a fine line between passion and prestige for reasons many people bought. (Although I am sure nobody would admit to this). I have seen that final series Bentley Azure and it is beautiful but unless I just had money to burn, I could not spend 400k on a car. That said, I am dumb enough to spend one hundred something on a few!I have a deposit on the Bentley GT convert that will be coming after the coupe debuts. | ||
| Will 575 (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 250 Registered: 3-2003 |
Incidentally, Jeff, as I see you're in suburban Maryland, have you seen the "last series" Azure at the Bentley dealership in Bethesda? Beautiful car. | ||
| Will 575 (Willh)
Junior Member Username: Willh Post Number: 249 Registered: 3-2003 |
"The car is not light years more advanced than a cadillac and since a car like a vette convertible is fairly close in performance to a 360 spider,how do you allocate the rest of the money?" Passion. I value the "prestige" at zero. | ||
| Nick Berry (Nickb)
Junior Member Username: Nickb Post Number: 139 Registered: 8-2002 |
Though performance by the numbers are relevant, the value I find in a Ferrari is its styling, exclusivity,heritage and driving pleasure. There are many cars which will equal or exceed the performance of the F-car, but very few can match the passion and excitement the car generates when one is behind the wheel. I believe an apt description is "PRICELESS".  | ||
| RS Biomedical (Rsbiomedical)
Junior Member Username: Rsbiomedical Post Number: 58 Registered: 9-2001 |
If you give an average tailor Armani material do you think he could make the suit look like an Armani made suit? | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 228 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just curious to see how others perceive the value of a new Ferrari. More to the point,how much value do you put on the cars technology and how much is the exlusivity to own it worth. I was just talking with a friend about this (specifically about my Bentley) and it made me think. Although I feel the Arnage is a very nice car, at a 215k price new in my opinion you are paying at least half of that for the prestige.The car is not light years more advanced than a cadillac and since a car like a vette convertible is fairly close in performance to a 360 spider,how do you allocate the rest of the money? |