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Jeff B. (Miltonian)
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 9:07 am:   

On page 401 of Brock Yates' book on Ferrari, he mentions that Enzo and Luigi Chinetti met late in Enzo's life, and that Chinetti reckoned that Ferrari was worth at least $40 million, but was still haggling over a few dollars and intended to go to his reward with his last lire.
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Post Number: 1064
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 7:37 am:   

Great Jim!

Exactly what I was looking for!

Jack
Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
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Post Number: 1885
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 7:22 am:   

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

$300K in 1960 would be = to $1,780,936 in 2002
$394K in 1977 would be = to $1,197,756 in 2002
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff

Post Number: 1063
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 5:52 am:   

Anybody who can "translate" 394,000 1977-US$ and 300.000 1960-US$ to 2003-US$?

Just to get an impression.

Jack
William H (Countachxx)
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Post Number: 3158
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 5:40 am:   

not sure about Enzo but I think Piero Lardi Ferrari is probably worth well over $100M US. I heard he has a yacht over 100ft long. that thing has to burn some $
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff

Post Number: 1061
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 4:49 am:   

Hi Thomas,

the 258KK is the sum that was transferred. It was valued at 348KK.

I still can't find 1960 exchange rates.

Jack
Thomas I (Wax)
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 4:24 am:   

"That document was made up on July 17, 1977 and APPARENTLY, if I understand it right, a sum of 258,000,000 Lira was transferred on August 18, 1977. There is a part that I can not decypeher that deals with the difference of 90,000,000 lira."
-Jack Habits

ITALY -- SPOT EXCHANGE RATE, LIRA/US$, '71-'89
15-Jul-77 883.0000
(17th was a Sunday)
Presuming the Lira value of 883.000:1.00 was adhered to, the value was $292,185.73 in '77 Dollars.

18-Aug-77 884.9600
However, on Thursday, August 18, '77 the 258,000,000 Lira value would have been $291,538.60 in '77 dollars.

1960's? Beats me.

"Interesting" bit of history on Italian Lira
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff

Post Number: 1058
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 3:09 am:   

Can't find any rates earlier than 1971 so quickly but by then the US$ was in the mid-600 Lira.

Assume that it was around 500 by 1960?

That would make the real estate worth some 300K$.

But...

I agree with Ken A's comment.

Jack
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff

Post Number: 1057
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 2:55 am:   

I found an exchange rate for July 17, 1977:

882.5 Lira to the US$.

That would make the value of Scaglietti some US$ 394,000 in 1977.

Still looking for 1960 exchange rates.

Jack
Ken A (Zff)
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 2:50 am:   

What Enzo Ferrari had when he died, you couldn't buy with all the money in the world.
Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
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Username: Ferraristuff

Post Number: 1056
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 2:50 am:   

Don't have the exact answer to your question but I do have some interesting documents that give a LITTLE insight.

On November 16, 1960 the real estate of SEFAC was valued at just a little over 150,000,000 Lira.

I would need to dig up historical exhange rates to translate that to $$$.

I also have documents on the SEFAC / Scaglietti merger from which I understand that Scaglietti was worth 348,000,000 Lira at the time of the merger (and YES, that DOES include the 50cc Vespa scooter, registration # 172483 and the Scaglietti real estate).

That document was made up on July 17, 1977 and APPARENTLY, if I understand it right, a sum of 258,000,000 Lira was transferred on August 18, 1977. There is a part that I can not decypeher that deals with the difference of 90,000,000 lira.

So, no answer to your question but still interesting I think.

Jack
Vincent (Vincent348)
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Username: Vincent348

Post Number: 1052
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:44 pm:   

I don't know how much he made, but I can only assume that he was happy.

Anyone who pursues a dream to the end: can only be.

Vincent
Vincent (Vincent348)
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Username: Vincent348

Post Number: 1051
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:42 pm:   

God bless that man! :-)

Vincent
Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
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Post Number: 510
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:33 pm:   

I was wondering this today. I would assume that he was fairly loaded, but then I started to think about it. Up until the mid to late 90's, Ferrari was never really "financially" sound. As you all well know, the company almost went broke in the 80's. Ferrari didn't have a championship racing team for nearly 20 years until Schumi came into the picture. I would assume that they made a good amount of sponsorship money, but racing earnings from wins probably weren't that high.

Now, I know the company probably made money, but it couldn't have been a whole lot, considering that maybe 4000 cars were produced each year, and a lot of the money made from cars went right back into development for road and race cars.

Any thoughts?

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