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| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 69 Registered: 7-2003 |
good review that compares the porsche GT3 and the stradale. side note. i've checked with two different sources (one inside ferrari) and the consensus is that the exhaust sytem for both US and euro cars is the same. http://www.karljay.com/cars/forum.php?postid=1509 here's an excerpt from the portion of the review that talks about the exhaust sound: "but the way the stradale leaps forward is still astonishing, the sound it makes in the process utterly deafening. It starts as a hollow, inflammable gargle, deep within the induction system. Then, as 6000 RPM approaches, it ignites with a wince-inducing shriek that grows and grows in intensity until, at 8000 RPM, your hearing literally (and painfully) begins to distort". i can't wait to get my stradale so i can hear this music myself! | |||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 947 Registered: 6-2002 |
Paul- good, it's working! I want one too! Best! Ben. | |||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2002 |
well, my parents knew your uncle Enzo and Roberto and your father Camillo. They also know your mother Milena , they were friends when they were young in Piacenza, and when I was small and lived in Piacenza I remember the story about your father Karts company and racing involvment. Then when I met Gianni Cristalli through another friend in commun ( Filippo Braghieri) he mentioned your name , saying that you were racing a 360, and when I told him that I wanted a Stradale he said me that we should have called you to know more about the car, but at the end I don t know why he could not get in touch with you. Another guy also helped me get an early contract on the Stradale whose name is Alessandro Peraro, from Mantova, who has a great Ferrari body shop in Mantova, maybe you know him too.. Anyway , I am going to Italy next week to get the car and then I will go meet Gianni and Alessandro, hopefully I will meet you in Mugello the weekend of the 17-19, where I was also invited to try the Maserati Trophy on the monday after the race. Tell me where I can contact you in Mugello. I still do not know where I am going to stay with my wife during that week end, so I wil probabbly see you in the circuit.I am planing to take the Stradale there, do you know if I can take some laps around the track anytime during the week-end with my car? ok thanks Gian Maria Note: Parli Italiano? | |||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 117 Registered: 6-2002 |
the 360 with tubi's and test pipes sounds wayyyy better.......just my opinion | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 11 Registered: 8-2003 |
Gian Maria, This is amazing; My uncle were Enzo and Roberto (both of them died) and my father Camillo died in 81. They had this big Truck company: Astra Veicoli Industriali with more than 2000 workers between Piacenza and Roma; they were building Dumpers and Military trucks and inside the factory My father created a " small" racing dept. were at the beguinning they were building Kart engines and Frames (BM) Senna, Patrese, Prost had raced and won with my dad's Go Kart's. Suddenly he started a F2 team with Guido Forti as Team Manager. Beppe Gabbiani, Teo Fabi, Piero Necchi, Arturo Merzario and Jonny Ceccotto drove for him. Cristalli is a good friend of mine and he is probably coming with me to see the final at Mugello ; i have a very nice place few miles from Mugello circuit. He also came to visit me here in California when i was running the 2002 Ferrari of orange county challenge team. Let me know why your family knew mine. Thanks Costa | |||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2002 |
Constantino; Small world, My parents knew your father very well , and your uncle Enzo ( I think was his name). Any way I am from Piacenza and I live in Costa Rica, and I had heard there was a Bertuzzi racing a 360 Challenge in the States. I had a 360 modena until last year when I traded it for a Stradale which is delivered to me the 6th of October ( 11 days!!!!, I count the days..) another friend from Piacenza helped me out to get one for this year his name is Gianni Cristalli. Anyway , I am picking up the car the 6th and then on the 17-19 I am going to the finali at Mugello, hope to meet you there. After that I am shipping the car here to Costa Rica. Small world ah.. gian maria | |||
| Scott Platt (Team360)
New member Username: Team360 Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2003 |
I should be recieving my new Capristo exhaust from Germany next week for my 99' 360. I havent heard one in person yet but I hope it sounds simlar to the Stadale, because that sound bite is great! | |||
| Gonzo (Igonzo)
New member Username: Igonzo Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2003 |
I have just finished capturing this small sequence of a 360 Challenge Stradale (s/n 133762) which I filmed last month in the Ferrari Day R�mlang, CH. http://www.cavallino.cc/videos/360Stradale_01.mpg (~1.3 Mb) Enjoy. Gonzo Cavallino.CC - The red cars channel | |||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 191 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ben, Every time you warn us Stradale addicts about how loud the exhaust is it makes me want the car more and more. Stop. PLEASE!  Thanks for the info on Inconel. Here is an interesting chart on metal weights: http://www.deeco.net/frontpage/charts_tables/ref%20metal%20wt%20conv.htm Paul | |||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 937 Registered: 6-2002 |
BTW: Inconel is a nickel-chromium-iron alloy developed for mid-temprature Jet Engine parts. Think of it as a stainless steel that retains stregenth into much higher temprature ranges (80% of room temp stregnth at 1200F!) It's weldability and workability is supposed to be quite supior to Titanium, but not as good as 304 or even 321 stainless. (but Inconel is not nearly as light as Titanium, Ti is still king of both price and weight.) Best! Ben. | |||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 936 Registered: 6-2002 |
I would not say the Stradale is "musical" in the way that say an F355 is. Reason I belive is twofold, the two-stage intake horns in all 360 intakes, and mainly the lack of an exhaust crosover between both cylinder banks. (like the 360 GT exhausts that vent into the venturis.) The 360 Stradale is FOCKING LOUD. It is the loudest car I have ever heard, including a modified 360GT that reportedly could top 250mph ('stock' 360GT is good for 238 I belive, this is all hearsay anyway...) When the bypass opens, the (Euro car I heard at a US show) Challenge Stradale is louder than a 1960s Top Fuel blown rail dragster (Started at the same show.) It's very cool for sure, but it's VERY VERY LOUD! | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 10 Registered: 8-2003 |
Gianmaria, Camillo was my father; the owner of Astra and Bm . | |||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Constantino: Weren't you from Piacenza? was Camillo your father? | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 9 Registered: 8-2003 |
Rick, No problem for this friday; unfortunately i've just delivered the car with the Capristo (see pic)to its owner (Robin Williams) and i do not have it here but i can see if a friend of mine that leaves close by can show up Friday; he has a Capristo as well.  Ps: in this pic we were customizing the cam timing and upgrade the ECU; result + 20Hp and rev limiter 10,000 rpm. | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 67 Registered: 7-2003 |
costantino, i would like to visit your facility this friday. just to say hello and take a quick look around if you're not too busy for visitors. i've never heard a 360 with a capristo exhaust. any chance i could hear a 360 with this exhaust at your shop? | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 8 Registered: 8-2003 |
Rick; The sound of the stradale is like the 360 with The German Capristo exhaust ; it is a great sound. In october i will go back to Italy for the finals and i will have to stay at the factory for few days because of some testing that i am suppose to do. Usually i do not do testing for street cars; i did the complete development of the 360 challenge, some upgrade for the 333sp for Michelotto and the latest was the Enzo engine on the prototype made by Michelotto: a 348 nose and central with a 355 rear 18 inches longer to fit the engine in it; but i've tested it only in the circuit; i do not do tests on streets. Maybe i will test some Maserati!!!
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| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2003 |
Hi Rick, Thanks for your interest and i look forward to meet you soon. I drove the stradale last year during the Italian finals in Misano and the first thing you notice is the weight! The car is lighter and the handling with the 19 wheels is much better and the braking is a blast!!! | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 6 Registered: 8-2003 |
I have all the sd2 infos for the stradale. | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2003 |
hi costantino, welcome to ferrarichat i've heard a lot of good things about you and lucio. i'm planning on visiting your facility later this week. i have two 360 modenas, and i'm ordering a stradale. from what i've read and heard the stradale is going to be a great car. i noticed in your profile that you also would like a stradale so it must be a good car! i have a question. have you driven the stradale yourself? or has lucio? if so can you give me a description of what it was like..your impressions of the car and perhaps how it compares to the modena and the 360 challenge car? also, there is a lot of discussion around here about how the stradale sounds. everybody seems to agree that it is LOUD, but if you've driven the car and heard it yourself can you describe it to me? was it a good-sounding LOUD? thanks! btw, are you are still affiliated with ferrari? | |||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1248 Registered: 8-2001 |
I have to figure out Adobe Premier so I can help you with these videos.. | |||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2002 |
Constantino: For any chance, are you the son of Camillo and the niece of Enzo and Roberto? If not, sorry to bather.. Gian Maria | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1385 Registered: 10-2001 |
Yes thats the one ! Its 31 megs ! i have to edit it to cut the boring part | |||
| gian maria traversone (Giamma)
Junior Member Username: Giamma Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
To Costantino: Since I see you have accesibility to the parts manual, do you know if the stradale is now included in the SD2 scanner? | |||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1246 Registered: 8-2001 |
The one where he kind of opens it up is this one: "Ferrari show @ Country club -98" and luckily for me, I'm in the car . Connor, the little man your dad gave a ride (his birthday present from me) still brags about it.  Lucky lucky man.. | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1383 Registered: 10-2001 |
Costantino, i hope you are right !! | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1382 Registered: 10-2001 |
Kenny I think its when my dad gives a ride to that little cute kid at the country club ? | |||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Intermediate Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 1245 Registered: 8-2001 |
Andrew, is the video that you are talking about the one when I was getting a ride in it? | |||
| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2003 |
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| Costantino Bertuzzi (Costa)
New member Username: Costa Post Number: 4 Registered: 8-2003 |
Check out this attachement. Usually if there is a difference between US and Euro version is listed in the spare catalogue parts. No differences listed. | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1378 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rick , the Stradale Videos i made during that event will soon arrive at my place because i took so many pics and vids that i had to unload my chips on a friends portable Hard drive. He then burnt a DVD with those and mailed it to me ! As soon as i receive it i will mail you ! Regards Andrew | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2003 |
andrew, could you please email me any stradale videos you have also? thanks! | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 64 Registered: 7-2003 |
hi andrew, please check your email | |||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 838 Registered: 2-2002 |
Andrew - I'll send you email with a few interesting things myself! Thanks mate! | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1377 Registered: 10-2001 |
Manu, i will try to make the vid smaller as its currently 17 Mb and most of it is boring , the sound part is short ! As soon as its done i will mail it to you.. The F50 with tube only sounds great too ! Its almost like an F1 car ! I wonder how the Enzo will sound with a similar set up ? | |||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 837 Registered: 2-2002 |
Andrew - email me offline all you want mate. I can't wait to hear the CS though... If it was louder than the F40 with an open 'LM' Tubi then it must be DEVASTAING because I drove an F40 with this setup last week and it's AMAZINGLY loud. (not as loud though as an F50 with an only-tube setup - done a couple of these too -and there are only 25 official F50s in the UK). Paul - that's a good question and one that is perhaps not best answered by me - I'm more of a salesman than a tech guy - Having said that I do know titanium is VERY difficult to weld but crucially struggles to retain it's strength in extremely high temperature applications. I have yet to see titanium headers on ANY car as the weight saving could be significant and I beleive that F1 manifolds are manufactured in Inconel making it the obvious choice for something like an Enzo/Stradale. | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1375 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rick , the cars i saw were in Magny Cours in France. They were all euro spec. They were amazing ! I already loved the Stradale before this track event but now , its one of my all time favourite car ! It was insanely fast on the track , passing F40's like they were standing still, esp when braking! You could see the Stradale guys braking much later than all the rest (3/4 F40's , loads of 360's , a 355 Challenge).Only the Enzo and a 348 Barchetta (one off) were giving the stradale guys a hard time .The car seemed very stable on the corners and when passing on the bumpers !! I was deeply impressed ! I talked to 2 owners and they said the car was a blast to drive , that they were very very happy with it , and that it was a plane (french expression meaning its ••••••• fast). The Noise is the best part though! As i said earlier it was louder than everything else on the track (bar the F1 cars, the Maserati Trofeo and that 348 Barchetta), louder than the Enzo, than an F40 with LM exhaust , than 355/360 with Tubis , than 575 with Tubis..It was almost orgasmic I couldnt help myself but smile when the Stradale would blast by me on the straight ! I hope the US version will be similar because IMO, the sound of this car is priceless.When it downshifts, you can hear the engine barps like an old Daytona Comp ! | |||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 190 Registered: 3-2003 |
Manu, Is inconel lighter than steel? If so, how does it compare to titanium? Paul | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 63 Registered: 7-2003 |
andrew, i've ordered a stradale and i can't wait to hear it on the road. i only heard it in person for a few "raps" when the dealer fired it up for a minute. can you tell me more details about the stradale you saw running at the track? how did it look in real life on the road? please take a minute to describe the sound in as much detail as you can how close to the car were you? how did it sound on hard downshifts, etc.? any idea if it was a US car or a euro car (is there a difference in exhaust systems of US vs. Euro cars?) thanks! | |||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 836 Registered: 2-2002 |
Since when did huge volume alone make a car sound good? Oh and •••• the journalists - they told me that the stock Galliardo sounds good and that the Murcielago is head-shakingly loud... ERRRR OK... IDIOTS..... LOUDNESS does NOT equal Quality sound!!! I hope to have more info on this issue (the sound from the CS) by the end of the month... watch this space. Edited to say: Rick - sorry mate - that came across as a little forceful but I am full of disdain for journos... *most* of the time they don't know what they are talking about. | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1374 Registered: 10-2001 |
Whats the ballpark then ? Just to have an idea ? | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1373 Registered: 10-2001 |
Manu , the Enzo doesnt sound good at low rev, i agree . But after 4000/4500 RPM it sounds great ! i have a video of one just hitting a bit above 4000( the car was new ) , and its amazing ! If i find a way to make it smaller i will put it online .. | |||
| rick ramage (720)
Junior Member Username: 720 Post Number: 62 Registered: 7-2003 |
most of the reviews in the various car magazines have been very excited about the sound of the stradale here are excerpts from two reviews i have handy: Car Reviews : Review of 2003 Ferrari Challenge Stradale by Dan Carney from� TheCarConnection.com Street legal, track worthy "Do you think,� inquired Amedeo Felisa, director of Ferrari�s GT street cars, �that it is too loud?� Among the multitude of tweaks that turn a run-of-the-mill 360 Modena F1 into a 360 Challenge Stradale is a new exhaust system that is without a doubt the coolest new technology for car nuts: an automatic muffler by-pass. Drive hard, and the sound jets straight out open pipes. Drive gently, and it passes through the conventional muffler letting you creep out of the neighborhood, past the library, without notice. Who hasn�t imagined such a system? Thanks to Ferrari for continuing to fulfill adolescent fantasies, even if we are no longer adolescent. Is it too loud? Considering that the resulting sound is the closest earthly approximation of the music produced by angels� harps, no volume could be too loud. It is just right. review in september 2003 car magazine "boy does the ferrari (stradale) make its own introduction. i'm standing at the top of a pass in the apennine mountains and i hear a mild parping. that's the 360 stradale arriving. the sound gets harder; sharper and louder. but slowly...slowly because it's so far away. eventually the noise is at fever pitch and i figure the car is just rounding the last bend before coming into view. but it doesn't. there are half a dozen more hairpins more to go, and when the 360 does arrive in a blaze of searing sun-blitzed yellow, dogs are barking and birds are falling out of the trees. it's a profoundly life-enhancing sound for sure, but if this exhaust is legal, so's driving at 200mph in the rain on bald tires, talking on a mobile phone to saddam hussein." | |||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 835 Registered: 2-2002 |
Andrew - I don't dispute that at all - BUT the car sound is supposed to sound really 'funny' at low rpm. BTW - the Enzo sounds PATHETIC for a 6.2litre Ferrari V12... It really does. Recently a Ferrari employee friend of mine told me that it sounds like a moped. I've heard it and I am sad to say I agree. Sorry Andrew - just read your message - Tubi's parts for the Enzo are all in inconel so they will be pretty expensive. I have a price but am unwilling to confirm it online.. (it is actually subject to change). Just for your information we have one solid deposit for the Enzo Tubi already and a few people that will be 'ready to go' when they take delivery... The confirmed order owner did not ask the price and indicated (quite clearly I might add) that he didn't CARE what it costs... | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1372 Registered: 10-2001 |
Manu , how much will the straight pipes for the Enzo cost ? | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1371 Registered: 10-2001 |
I heard the Stradale at full bore on the track a few times this week end and the sound is amazing ! It sounds better than a 355/360 with tubis and even better than a stock Enzo above 5000 RPM... Its the best sounding modern Ferrari. It just rips the sky ! | |||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 832 Registered: 2-2002 |
Well I do know that the Euro Stradale is pretty loud but it is NOT a pretty noise... in fact it is VERY agricultural - this is not the case under heavy throttle openings (where the sound WILL even out and become more 'swee.' But idle is supposed to be tractor-like.... I suspect that a lot of you Tubi-ed 360 owners will be disappointed. For those of you who you like engine 'music' as opposed to 100dB+ of pure bass you will rather rapidly be upgrading to the racing Inconel Tubi which is being prepared for this car.... | |||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2001 |
F-of Atlanta had a CS there a little bit ago. A very close friend that is a Tech there told me the sound is the best he has ever heared out of a 360. I can not confirm if it was a US or Euro, but there is one mans opinion. | |||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
Junior Member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2003 |
I can't confirm that, but I will start praying... | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1363 Registered: 10-2001 |
me ? | |||
| Will 575 (Willh)
Member Username: Willh Post Number: 253 Registered: 3-2003 |
Shoot the messenger!  | |||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1352 Registered: 10-2001 |
Just came back from Ferrari Festival at Magny Cours and chatted with a 360 CS owner who lives both in Fra and in the US and he told me the US version of the CS wouldnt be as musical and even less powerful than the Euro version. Anyone can confirm that ? |
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