| Author | Message | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 482 Registered: 8-2002 |
The great car makers are deluted now and are very different from what they were, Ferrari and Porsche are not the same since their founders have passed. | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 569 Registered: 9-2001 |
My favorite VW irony involves Bugatti... If you look at the history of most (significant) Bugatti cars, they involve some sort of hiding or cross the water shipping to keep them out of the hands of the Germans during WW II. Look who owns them now... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2629 Registered: 10-2002 |
Never forget what Kark Marx said in "Das Kapital" "In the end there will be one company and then the government will take it over." | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1623 Registered: 8-2001 |
I wouldn't be surprised if VW/Audi take a stake in Ferrari. Ferrari's going to all aluminum construction for future models and VW/Audi has the expertise in that technology. Longer service interval would be a bonus. Cheaper parts would be better but I have my doubts about that. Pure Ferrari would be the pre-Fiat models. Might look into that in a few years.  | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 778 Registered: 3-2002 |
Mark that is really good !!! Great Pic. Why does'nt VW just take over the auto industry in Europe ? It is ashame that all the gov't beaureaucratic paperwork will curb anyones aspiration at going into the auto building industry as a serious start up ! Could Duesenburg even make it out of the box today ? Imagine the differences in paperwork requirements between the 1920's/30's and today. The gov't wants you to have a license for everything. The city told me that I had to have an exhaust fan in my private bathroom at work. Is this rediculous or what ? Crack on the corner, public schools a mess and the city inspector told me our building does not conform to the City of Houston's building code requirements. We are not talking about a fire escape ! Beaureaucrats are only interested in CYA and at least putting in the required 20 years or more to qualify towards retirement. Back to the original thread !!!! It is very unfortunate that brands are becoming more and more mutated. VW will just be able to make more profit with the highly profitable niche lines. Lambo will undoubtedly use parts from the Audi tool room and vice versa. Economically they could just rebadge all the hi end marques and share a great deal of tools and parts. Remember when the Z-28 and T/A were different cars to some degree ? Not anymore. This could largely make brand loyalty a thing of the past. We will all be family in the end !!! Just like the end of Star Wars ? ( Episode 6 ) LOL | ||
| Michael Vaughan (Vanimal)
Junior Member Username: Vanimal Post Number: 70 Registered: 3-2003 |
Oh no, this cannot be Imagine, reliable electrics longer service intervals etc. etc. What on earth will we post about then?? :-) On a serious note - platform sharing, common badge engineered engines - the end could be in sight. Keep hold of your classics, they could be appreciating as they are the real deal. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 183 Registered: 8-2002 |
I posted an article last week from autoweek about this, and mainly how audi and maserati would be sharing parts and platforms. Not to many people noticed. Looks like it could happen all the way.. who is worse having ferrari owned by vw or gm?. vw will then have lambo and ferrari...almost odd | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 837 Registered: 10-2001 |
I've been shocked by news like this before....  | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1071 Registered: 4-2003 |
And poor old Enzo didn't want to sell out to foreigners (Ford)... He must be turning in his grave when he would know that his beloved company would end up in the hands of post-war mass producer # 1 from GERMANY... Jack | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 4349 Registered: 9-2001 |
interesting because the Touareg already shares its platform with Porsche cayenne | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 371 Registered: 7-2003 |
No doubt a Hot Topic. Well. In place of Fiat logos, VW logos on Ferrari F-1 cars is certainly an interesting possiblity. Given the circumstances, it's also plausible. However, if and when the probability tips the scales, that'll be a day of celebration in some places, mourning in others. Namely Italy. Lotsa wailing and gnashing of teeth. (B)ragging rights: I'm so avant-garde, my folks had 2 VW's - a squareback and a 411 - and I had two bugs - '71 Super 'vert' sexmachine and a '67 hardtop. Plates were VRTIGO on the '71. VRTIGO2 prior to a plate theft then 4VRTIGO on the '67. | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 815 Registered: 10-2002 |
VW Considers Participation in Ferrari 23.9.03 The following article appeared in Der Spiegel on 19 Sept 2003 From the co-operation just agreed upon between Volkswagen and Ferrari a lot more could easily follow - a participation of the Wolfsburg company in the Italian sports car manufacturer, who also owns Maserati . At present Ferrari is a subsidiary of the beleagured Fiat company. Should the latter plunge further into crisis and need fresh capital then the Wolfsburgers - for an appropriate price - would be ready for a takeover of Ferrari. Already firmly agreed between Volkswagen boss Bernd Pischetsrieder and Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo is that Volkswagen components of its jeep platform Touareg will be supplied to Maserati for use in its own off-roader. Volkswagen company Audi will also support Maserati with technology and know-how in the use of aluminum. In return Volkswagen wants Maserati wants to supply the platform of the Quattroporte on which to possibly base a successor for the Phaeton . From this co-operation both enterprises can profit. And should Ferrari once be for sale, then there's hardly a way past Volkswagen. |