| Author | Message | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1741 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, please post where you get your data that all the Lambos run the "long" track and all the Ferraris run the "short" track at the Ring. Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1011 Registered: 6-2002 |
Peter, im with you on most counts, although id stretch past the BB to the 512 and F40 for last great Ferraris. I still dont understand why some people always bring up the track when comparing Lambos to Ferrari's? If the 360 is such a good track car, why on the Nurburgring, does it run the SHORTER track in the same time it takes a EARLY Diablo SV to run the LONGER track? This is a track which focuses on handling and brakes more than sheer power, so why cant a 360 beat a Diablo which is obviously at a disadvantage here? Same goes for the 575 vs the Murcielago? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1739 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, go read some magazines... whats the matter? no Civics you can race in Hawaii? Does your daddy let you take the Diablo out on weekends? Of course your Diablo has 0$ in maintenance... you never see when your father takes it in to the shop after you fry his clutch! LOL... Ernesto | ||
| peter brinzey (Ferraripete)
Junior Member Username: Ferraripete Post Number: 116 Registered: 11-2002 |
yeah allan...you know , big horse power 911/930 's just make me smile. they just go like stink!!! and they look tough as hell...total hooligan cars. again, my endorsement of the diablo, it is a very refined car and is just stunning to see on the road. pictures do not do ithem justice. and on ferrari, the 360 is a designfailure and will ultimatly be valuless. has not been a blood boiling, raw production ferrari since the bb. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1010 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lol, im sorry Ernesto, i forgot you were a race car driver! lol | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1738 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes, this coming from a person who never tracks his car, and only races teenagers in supercharged Mustangs. I guess youre right, the Diablo is the perfect car for you! Bling bling cruising... How is the Diablo better? Beat a 360, then you can talk... Hell, beat a 355 then you can say its better! Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1008 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well Ernesto, i guess the hairdressers car is for you. Sorry but as a driving experience the 360 rates about as high as an Nsx does, and dont get me wrong, for the money, i love the NSX. The Diablo is in a whole other league, miles better than the 360. As for the Porsche 930, just plain awesome cars. Great bang for the buck. Try a 714rwhp on pump gas, 2490pd 930, and youll come back with your pants soiled. Can you say Enzo for lunch? | ||
| peter brinzey (Ferraripete)
Junior Member Username: Ferraripete Post Number: 115 Registered: 11-2002 |
no ralph, i was not very specific. i can elaborate here however. 87 930 coupe w/ k29,b&b headers and pipe, 1.0 bar boost spring, andial long neck intercooler, and sc cams. This configuration has been tested by andial to produce 430 hp @ the crank. it is a really fast car...i really enjoy it and the neat news is that my car w/ 20k original miles was only 35k!! what a steal!!! | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 793 Registered: 3-2002 |
Peter are you referring to a stock 930 P car with 430 bhp ? That is not a stock P Car. In fact I do not know of any Turbo P Car that produced 430 Bhp. The 996 car is rated 415/420 and X-50 444/450. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1737 Registered: 2-2001 |
The only way I'd pick a Diablo over a 360 is if there is a gun pointed to my head. I've driven both, and the DRIVING experience is not to be compared. If attracting attention is your principal goal though, you must the the Diablo. Ernesto | ||
| matt green (Mattg)
New member Username: Mattg Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2003 |
as much as i like certain ferraris, DIABLO!!!! You shouldnt even have to ask. and im aN OUTSIDER. i drive a lotus cause dudes on this chat board steered me away from a fcar.... but i will find the right mondial coupe 3.2 PERFECT and the wedge Ferrari will be mine!!!!! | ||
| peter brinzey (Ferraripete)
Junior Member Username: Ferraripete Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2002 |
guys, allan is almost totally correct here. the only area that he misses on and i think he may have been trying to be polite...the 360 prices are already dropping like a rock...not even open for debate guys!!! anything post boxer will be seen as just a car. sorry guys just too many produced. on to the thread ?...diablo 92 and later over a 360 any day! diablo is fast, stops traffic, is loud, 12 cylinders (8 ain't enough), and finally, as allan appropriately says...the engine is simply bullet proof! and the most bang for the buck...930 turbo w 430HP. eats almost everything for lunch!!! | ||
| eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
Junior Member Username: Ninja_eli Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2002 |
Had this same problem actually. Either 360 spider or a Diablo 6.0. I was dead set on the Diablo but the one I wanted was sold. I waited for a similar car but not easy to find. This is both a benefit and a hinderance. I like to drive the crap out of my cars so it will need maintenance, no question. The fact that it is so rare is good, but parts availability? In the end I went for a 360 Spider, because London has some real small roads, and the car parks here in the city are small and can't accomodate a car such as a Diablo. In the end it came down to practicality. The Diablo 6.0 looks a little dated IMO, but not enough to put me off. The build quality is fantastic IMO, as good as if not better than the 12 Ferraris, and definitely better than the 8s. A few people I know have either a Diablo/Murci, and it seems that they can be expensive to repair if you hit something or if something goes wrong. Which leads to the nail in the coffin: insurance. I'm 25 so for the 360 spider I got a quote of �2500, with �5K excess, the lambo they wanted �8K. couldn't have got it for less than �5K even with a massive excess. Conclusion: Diablo: looks stunning, nothing else like it. Built amazingly well. interior a million times better. BUT: dated looking (a little), clutch still a major problem and expense, parts availability, practicality, size (we have narrow width restricted roads around here!) 360 (Spider): More practical. cheaper to run, more manageable to drive, newer car, more modern design. (convertible). BUT, poorer build quality, less exclusive, slower. I went for the 360, try them both and see what fits your bill good luck | ||
| w david brown (Mountainwolf)
New member Username: Mountainwolf Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2003 |
Thanks for all the responses, and the pics too ! I already have the bang-for-buck cars (Z06 & Viper), looking for something more exotic. I'm a little scared of the Gallardo being 1st year, you know what comes with that; discovery of problems, jacking the price, etc. Sorry to say this, but some of the V12 Ferraris are not quite exotic looking enough. I like that shock value you get with the Diablo, love the 360 as well. Good opinions on this board. ps. Allenlambo, I think I have seen you post on viperclub or Z06 sites, no ? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1005 Registered: 6-2002 |
Talk to any Ferrari dealer. Talk to my uncle on his experience with a new 360. According to Al Burtoni, who thrives off Lambo owners that dont know any better, every car needs to be completely overhauled. He's hardly a guy id trust for a repair estimate. Ive owned many Ferrari's and Lambos, and Lambos are much less prone to headaches. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 387 Registered: 8-2003 |
Allan, Talk to Al Burtoni Imports at 888-553-2955 | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6631 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, Allan, it doesn't make me feel better, it actually makes me feel worse; just one more parent out there who's not properly parenting. It's not you i feel bad for, either; it's your parents... They obviously didn't instill any values in you... So sad. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1003 Registered: 6-2002 |
Chris, you are right about the brakes. Early Diablo brakes are pitiful, but a pretty easy fix. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1002 Registered: 6-2002 |
Des keep telling yourself i mooch off my father to make yourself feel better!lol | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6627 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan, even if i had a father i could mooch off of, i'd still prefer to earn it... You know what you need...? You need to read some of the stuff in here... | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2002 |
Oh btw, from personal DRIVING EXPERIENCE, all Diablos before 97 had crappy stock brakes. The cars literally did not have the stopping power in porportion to its speed potential. The brakes felt wooden after a certain point and the car did not slow down more progressively as you normally expect it to. This is a FACT, my mechanic confirmed the earlier cars were weak in the braking department, they go fast but don't expect the earlier Diablo's to stop like a Ferrari. My 348 has better brakes. I heard the 97 and up Diablo's had decent brakes. So if you get an earlier car you may need to consider a brake upgrade. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1001 Registered: 6-2002 |
Now Des, all you have to do is find someone to give you one. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1000 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mr Green, id love for you to explain to me how Lambos are more expensive to maintain than Ferraris. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6625 Registered: 8-2002 |
i love the Diablo... The Diablo Roadster is my all-time favorite Lamborghini... ...but i'd take a 360 over two Lamborghinis. | ||
| G. Green (Mr_green)
Member Username: Mr_green Post Number: 385 Registered: 8-2003 |
Allan, If someone takes your post verbatim you make it sound like Lambos are maintenance free when in fact they are more expensive to maintain than F-cars. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 997 Registered: 6-2002 |
Man, you guys are gluttons for punishment. Even without me starting lambo vs topics, its all you can talk about. So heres my view. If you are looking for a bland, semi exotic, not very fast, mediocre performing ..... nah, i wont go that route, its to early for me to hear everyone screaming. The Diablo would be far and away my personal choice without even a hint of indecision. I drove my uncles 360 for a week in Miami, and i will have it for 2 weeks this December again. I was very unimpressed by this car. It didnt do anything particularly well, and the styling is boring in my opinion. I would rather have a 1991 Diablo than a 2003 360. You dont need a 6.0 either, you can buy a 98-99 Sv and have all the performance in a very reliable car. As ive said before, my car is now 5 years old, and my maintenence costs have been "0". Only oil and filter changes and she runs fantastic. Try that in a Ferrari. As for the 360 values, they will shortly drop like a rock. Diablos have leveled out. My uncle paid sticker for his over a year ago. | ||
| Morrie Richfield (Carnut)
Junior Member Username: Carnut Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2002 |
I can say I agree and disagree with almost everyones opinion. I spent a day with a Diablo, nice car, love the torque, great car to go straight in, but it felt to big and heavy when your slicing up the curves. I thought the fit and finish were not up the the price tag, but few cars are anymore. As for resale (something I think is a foolish thing to consider when buying any car), I think you'll lose more on the lambo, there is not four year waiting list to buy one that I know of. The real answer here (that is if this is a real question), which do you like driving better, my opinion or anyone elses here might be entertaining to read, but its not our 150k were spending. | ||
| Joe (Jts)
Junior Member Username: Jts Post Number: 99 Registered: 8-2003 |
David, I'm not sure if you're into 512Ms at all, but if you are, check out what Michael Sheehan has, right in your price range: http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/FE-512M-100094/main.shtml | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 151 Registered: 5-2002 |
A Lamborghini Gallardo being tested at the factory   And a Toyota Gallardo....it's a conspiracy, someone call Oliver Stone. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 150 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ok, you asked for it. An early and late generation Jalpa  And I'm sure most of you have already seen this pic of the new 456 being tested.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2646 Registered: 10-2002 |
Chris I think they are great and interesting pics an applicable to this thread. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 791 Registered: 3-2002 |
Chris ~ Keep posting Lambo pics here. There is nothing like garbageing up a Ferrari site with Lambo pics ! For all the folks waiting for Allan: Allan will choose the time and place to fight his battles. Sun Tsu The Art of War ! LOL | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 149 Registered: 5-2002 |
Willis, believe it or not, the guy who owns the orange 6.0 actually used to own a Jota, he said it was his favorite Lambo, he has not stop regret selling it. Now that was a beast at close to 600hp. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 790 Registered: 3-2002 |
Chris nice pics !!! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1636 Registered: 8-2001 |
Diablo SE30 Jota would be my choice.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2644 Registered: 10-2002 |
That CT chassis is a work of art. Similar to P4 chassis.  | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 789 Registered: 3-2002 |
Bang for the buck ? = Hayabusa Eli it is still pretty early in Maui. Bang for the buck in a car is the early 2WD Diabolo. What factory Italian "exotic" unmodified car goes 200mph for 100K ? 512TR is up there also. I realize the later Diabolo's are more refined. They are not 100K though. Again the early cars will not go down more. Unless they are a POS that nobody wants to fix. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 148 Registered: 5-2002 |
Almost forgot, pics of Gallardo bodyshells awaiting final assembly at the factory. A brand new Gallardo is certianly worth considering for around $165,000, but is it only me or does it look too much like the current Toyota Celica.....  | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1635 Registered: 8-2001 |
That tan color SUV in the back looks like the remains of the Lambo Cheetah. Nice pics, Chris. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 147 Registered: 5-2002 |
You're right, I don't want to go there. While we're on the Lambo topic, I bet not many of you have seen a Diablo go vertical, here's one at the Lambo musuem at the factory.  A racing Diablo  An original Countach and last generation anniversary model with a Countach chasis standing upright against the wall.  Classic lambos including a Miura, you can see the Lambo SUV in the background.  | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 632 Registered: 4-2002 |
Where is allen in all of this? | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 631 Registered: 4-2002 |
Chris, i realy did not want to go there but what the heck! if you are looking for a bang for your money then the Vette Z06 is the car to get! | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 630 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ralph, i was offered a titanium/black 6.0 01 last year with 2K miles from a private owner before i bought my 360 for $180K. The car was immaculate but i was just more happier with the 360. It looked awsome!!! | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1735 Registered: 2-2001 |
I like the 348 better! Ernesto | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 146 Registered: 5-2002 |
My opinion is that I rather pay 150,000 to 175,000 for a 6.0 (cost $280,000 when new) than pay $130,000-140,000 for a 360 (that only cost $160,000 when new). It is a ton more car and you're getting more bang for your buck. At 550hp and 620nm of torque it is a highly overlook and underated car. People think it's the stopgap lambo before the Murcielago but in fact it is a helluva car. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2643 Registered: 10-2002 |
There are still New Diablos for sale. That might be the way to go. The dealer in NYC is offering at least one. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 787 Registered: 3-2002 |
You cannot get a very nice 6.0 Diab for anywhere near 130-150. You might be able to get one for the hi side of 150 with a lot of miles. You can get a nice SV for the 150 range. | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 231 Registered: 4-2001 |
Chris, but we are not comparing a 6.0 to a 348. the comparison here is the pre 6.0 diablo and the 360. there is a big difference between a 360 and a 348. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here's some pics to give you an idea of what I mean by more car. My 348 looks like a kit car behind the 6.0.  It is truly a work of art seen up close in person.  One of my favorite modern sportscar interior. Much nicer than the Murcielago's bland interior.  It looks almost like the cockpit of a racing powerboat.....although Lamborghini did have a powerboat racing divison at one time.  | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 628 Registered: 4-2002 |
Modman, at least this time is not getting ugly! there are some good point being brought up on both cars. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 643 Registered: 9-2002 |
I would go with the Diablo. The engines are strong no timing belt changes(chain) The clutches do wear out very fast if your not careful. Changing the clutch on a Diablo is an engine out job,as well as on the C/T but the diablo engine to remove is much less labor intensive. The last time I looked the "book" time to change the clutch in an injected C/T was 55 hours labor---not includeing parts. The Diablo is somewere in the 30 hour range. Diablos seem to like snapping pinion gears also. Expensive fix but not that bad. I think the Diablo in the long run will hold it's value better then a 360. Only because it is more of a unique car and many people still want them. Also because there is less wizz bang tech in the lambos. The lambos are actually a pretty basic car when you get right down to it. Also there is no other car on the road that draws more attention,and they drive great,handel really great,but they can be a little coslterfobac. Just make sure the a/c works and you'll find it quite cozy. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 627 Registered: 4-2002 |
Frank, you are right may be i did not compare them fairly. even if you take a 01 diablo the deppreciation today is almost over 20% of the value of the car. at the same time a 01 360 coupe with a sticker price of $150K can not be had for $120K today. | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 723 Registered: 11-2001 |
Not this again... | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 137 Registered: 9-2002 |
The Diablo 6.0 was a far superior car to the earlier Diablos. I guess the input from Audi really was great for that car. But again, I agree that if you compare the Diablo to a 360 you would be better off comparing it to a 550 Maranello. Drive all three cars. They are unique and excellent in their own ways. Where is Allan's input? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3015 Registered: 9-2001 |
For the same price you can get a 550 which is a better car than both the 360 and Diabo IMHO. ELI, that resale of your 360 would not have been so good had it been 3 model years old like your Diabo example. | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2002 |
Understand that each car is a matter of personal opinion, and preferring one car over the other is not "talking out your ass". | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 786 Registered: 3-2002 |
David: The cars are obviously different. Be careful about spending 130/150 for a late model Diabolo. 130 may be a little low for a late Pre- 6.0 car. Obviously whatever you purchase try and locate the best mechanical car you can find. The Diabolo shares a lot in common with the C/T. Underneath the cars are very similar. I still do not understand why everyone complains about the lack of ease when driving these cars GIVEN the fact that it is usually the owners third or forth car. Do you really want that Toyota Camry feel and lack of effort every time you get in a car ??? Sure some L cars have a lack of refinement. I agree. They do not have the $$$ to spend on refinement the way Porsche will. The early Diabolo's $$$ are stabilized for the most part. The maintanance will be much more on the "early" Diabolo vs the 360. Taek-Ho's comment about the Diabolo being light years ahead of the C/T is in refrence to the late cars. The late Diabolo's will eventually go down in value a little bit more. The early cars appear to be a good value; if you can find a good early car with all the records and maintainance issues worked out. That is alot of performance for the bottom six figure range. The cars without power steering and brakes are not that difficult to drive. I enjoy the effort. I cannot coomment on the 360. The 360 really impresses me. You need to drive both cars and figure out what is most important for you. | ||
| Chris A. (Asianbond)
Junior Member Username: Asianbond Post Number: 144 Registered: 5-2002 |
If you can find a Diablo 6.0 within your budget go for it! The interior is completely updated and actually still quite a fresh design with a nice carbon fiber finish. It is extremely easy to drive and is much more car than a 360. Its resale should be on par with the 360 due to the 6.0's limited production numbers. Don't listen to the guys who have never driven or own a Lamborghini, they're talking out of their asses... But they are two quite different exotics. | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 237 Registered: 9-2002 |
Save yourself the headaches and get an sl55! | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Intermediate Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 2128 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lamborghini's fit and finish has been actually superior to Ferraris in my book (contemporaries). They have not suffered from the oft complained about leather and melting bits. They might not have as many buttons or look as busy though. In the later models I also like how all the idiot lights are stealthily hidden on the upper lip of the instrument cluster. The Diablo is light years away from a Countach in just about every aspect. Especially if you are talking about a 1997+ model. Drives better, is more ergonomic, is more reliable, has more creature comforts, although a bit claustrophobic it isn't nearly as bad as the Countach, has ride adjustment (a big one for those who really drive the cars), oh yeah, and more power. It is not unrefined to drive at all. It is a car that you have to learn how to drive properly. The car will not bend to your style of driving so to speak. Can't be dumping clutches and hoping for trouble free motoring. That said, I vote Diablo. I personally found it to be much more fun to drive than a 360. And if it's only going to be a weekend driver its tough to beat. Jim's the one who said it best. You have to drive them both and then maybe ask more pointed questions. The Diablo just isn't for some people just like the 360 isn't. Don't know if resale is part of your concern, but my take on it is that 360s will see the same type of monster drop the 355 have seen as soon as their replacement comes. Then again, these cars should not be an investment of any kind. As much as Ferraris will depreciate chances are Lamborghinis will do so even more. That should change once parts availability and all that is addressed but don't expect to see that until the Gallardo is in full force in the market and then some. Cheers | ||
| Clax (Clax)
Junior Member Username: Clax Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2002 |
I am a fan of both Lambo and Ferrari, and own a 360 Spider (which brings a killer smile to my face each time I open my garage). My opinion of the Diablo is that the build quality of the car is not up to par. Each car I have seen has had something that is visually noticeable in build quality. For instance, one car had a misaligned front hood that looked like a kit car. Another car (a roadster) had a really poor fitting top. I could also mention others. Now, is the build quality of the 360 perfect? No, it's not. I have found some minor issues in build quality with my car, but none that were as glaring as the Diablo. If you can live with nusance build quality issues of the Diablo, and would like the grunt of a V12, the car may be suitable for you. But, not for me. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2640 Registered: 10-2002 |
David Didn't mean to sound rude. It just having owned a wide range of cars over many years I've come to realize that untill you own an older exotic it's impossible to understand that a Diablo is like the young babe in Versachy that you go to the party on the Yacht in the harbor and wind up it Corsica with and a 360 is the woman you can stay married to for a while. Both are great experiences but they really have little in common. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1318 Registered: 3-2002 |
eli, my answer was based on the price david gave us of $140k approx. this means its a diablo of about '97, whereas the 360 is probably a 2001. just guessing. but to me that means that the diablo is much further along its depreciation curve than the 360. 5 years from now, the prices on the diablo are likely to be around $100-120k, whereas i am pretty sure the 360 wud be well under 100k. the driveability question is too hard to answer without knowing so many other things from david like where he lives, where he drives, insurance, stamina for mechanical problems, prximity to dealer etcetcetc. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1734 Registered: 2-2001 |
360, without question. The rolling carnival show will get old quick. Ernesto | ||
| w david brown (Mountainwolf)
New member Username: Mountainwolf Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2003 |
James, no need to doubt my seriousness. At first your response seemed rude, but actually you are correct, it is a decision that would entirely come down to me. I simply wanted imput and opinions about both cars from standpoints of reliability, general strengths and weaknesses, and overall "coolness". Thanks for the responses, and keep them coming. | ||
| w david brown (Mountainwolf)
New member Username: Mountainwolf Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2003 |
I'm single. From some of these responses, I take it the Diablo is quite a brute to drive. This would only be a weekend car, not daily driver. Is the Diablo really that unrefined ? Is it at least more refined than the Countach ? ps. I have learned not to buy autos with a huge concern for resale, they are rarely a good investment, I try to live for today. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Advanced Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 2639 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is this a serious question? I have my doubts. How could anyone answer it other than yourself? These are totally different cars. Have you driven either? Owning a 360 is a totally different experience than owning an older exotic much less a Lambo. One can be driven in the snow one isn't the one I'd pick for the Monte Carlo Rally. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 840 Registered: 10-2001 |
Depends.... are you single or married? | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 626 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ross, with all do respect how does the diablo holds its value better than the 360? a 2001 diablo with a sticker of $230K-$240K can be had for less than $180K. FYI just sold my 03 coupe a month ago to a dealer no less for a $1K over what i paid for (sticker) the other fact that needs to also be considered is that the buying market for the 360's is far better and bigger than the diablo's. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1317 Registered: 3-2002 |
of course you haven't given us age, mileage, color etc details, but all things being equal, and viewing it solely from a value perspective i would opt for the diablo. i am a huge tifosi, but just don't think the 360 is going to hold its value in the face of the new 360, the gallardo, and all the other hot cars that will be available for that kind of money over the next 3 years. whereas the diablo is a 300 unit/yr beast and will hold its value much better and longer. driving issues are for you to decide after you've test driven both. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 623 Registered: 4-2002 |
David, i had driven both before making my choice and i personaly chose the 360 because of its styling, comfort and it was more practical. The diablo was also a little too flashy for my taste. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 616 Registered: 10-2002 |
I know I am going to be slaughtered for this one but in my opinion it's simply a matter of V8 verses a V12. I have always loved the Diablo however spending 130-150K means it will probably have some miles on it. Tough choice to make but I wish I had your problem. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 262 Registered: 3-2002 |
if spending so much might as well splurge for gallardo otherwise 360 way more modern and practical than diablo with enuf performance to keep you happy. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3001 Registered: 4-2002 |
SAVE BUY A 98-99 355 SPYDER AND KEEP THE CHANGE FOR MAINTENACE AND TOYS....... GOOD LUCK BRUCE | ||
| w david brown (Mountainwolf)
New member Username: Mountainwolf Post Number: 1 Registered: 9-2003 |
Spending 130-150k, would you recommend the finesse and styling of the 360, or the brute force and mean looks of the Diablo. I have driven an 87 Countach, never a diablo. Does the Diablo have more comforts eg. power steering, than the Countach ? |