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Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 936
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:36 pm: | |
You can find '98's in low 40's in very clean low mileage condition on E-bay, both dealerships and private sales.
Due to the nature of the cars, I doubt any private sale is going to let it go for lower than that! If so, snag it!
Sunny |
Bill Gomez (Bgomez)
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Username: Bgomez
Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:14 pm: | |
I had a 93 and a 95 NSX and both were great cars with never a maintenace issue. I later bought a 2000 996 and found myself always comparing it to the NSX. Similar performance but much rarer. In it's prime I would have said it was an exotic/supercar but by today's standards no way. That being said there is no way I would ever trade my 360 or my 996TT for the current generation NSX. I have a deposit down for the next generation NSX and hope it looks like the sketches I saw in Road and Track about a year ago and rumors of a 400 + hp V8. Anyone have more info? Given the competition and the cars coming up through the pipeline, it better have some serious performance or you will never pry the keys of my 360 away!
Bill |
Corey Feldman (Meatballs_4)
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Username: Meatballs_4
Post Number: 11
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 6:02 pm: | |
Is it really possible to find a v8tt esprit in the low 40's? Where would this be? I've checked everywhere. |
Topdaytrader (Topdaytrader)
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Username: Topdaytrader
Post Number: 39
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 5:28 pm: | |
You forgot to mention:
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 1.09,1
Porsche GT2 (996) 1.12,6
Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) 1.13,2
If Porsche is not exotic, then forget about NSX. |
Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 883
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:55 pm: | |
Matt- "Exotic car brands = sports cars only"
Matt how do you rate the Ford?
"Mitch- Ford GT: exotic? yes!: SuperCar? Yes! "
Matt so speed,handeling and lap time don't matter?
Acura Nsx-R 1.14.6 The honda "not exotic" wins
Ferrari 575M 1.14.7
Ferrari 550 1.16.1
Ferrari 360 1.15.1
Lotus Esprit 1.15.3
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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1110
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:50 pm: | |
Id say low 40's for a 98 Esprit. |
Corey Feldman (Meatballs_4)
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Username: Meatballs_4
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:45 pm: | |
Hey Allan, what should I expect to pay for a 98 esprit, everywhere i've looked on the internet they've been around $55,000, is that about right? I might look into the s4s too so I'm wondering what they run in price also. Thanks |
Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 1129
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 1:04 pm: | |
NSX: exotic? yes!: SuperCar? No!
NSX-R: exotic? yes!: SuperCar? Not quite.
Ford GT: exotic? yes!: SuperCar? Yes!
Viper: exotic? close but no cigar: SuperCar Yes!
Vette: exotic? no: SuperCar? NO!
308/328: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? No!
348: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? Not quite.
355: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? almost.
360: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? yes.
575: exotic? not quite: SuperCar? Indubitably!
Saleen S7: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? Yes!
Mosler: exotic? Yes!: SuperCar? Yes!
Ultima: exotic? yes!: SuperCar? Yes! |
matt green (Mattg)
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Username: Mattg
Post Number: 54
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 12:53 pm: | |
that is one major component. Exotic car brands = sports cars only... Chevy NO Acura No Ferrari Yes Lambo Yes Lotus Yes dodge hell no porsche sorry...
imo |
Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 881
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 11:50 am: | |
Maybe the key is that you can't be an exotic car if your company mainly makes comuter cars? Is that what knocks great cars off the list?
Ford GT40 not exotic
Viper not exotic
NSXr not exotic
(only using "r" because we have lap times, see Allan's new post. And it is the most up-dated of the orginal 91 design.)
They have:
same lap times,
same higher then normal car price,
same low production numbers,
same low profile basic shape
but not exotic This is funny |
Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 880
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 11:19 am: | |
Is this an American thing?
If its from a Jap its Crap
If its European- "wow that is so prestigious"
I like the way the Japanese came back with- "Finally an Exotic car built by guys that went to college."
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Ken (Allyn)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1184
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 11:01 am: | |
Way too many 914's were built to be an 'exotic' although the 6 cyl. versions are frighteningly rare and valuable.
I consider an NSX an exotic by my personal criteria; yes you CAN have an exotic that doesn't break every 3 months and need over $1k in routine service a year. It is low production, fast, quick, handles well and looks cool. In an era where Honda Civic will out drag a 308, the lines have been blurred so I understand why some say an NSX is NOT an exotic.
No Vette is an exotic but a Viper certainly is. Most Porsches are not exotics because there are too many made. All Lambos, Ferraris and Lotus are exotics (yes even the POS Elite, POS Espada, Underated but cheap 308 GT4, Mondial 8...). |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1097
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:21 am: | |
I never considered the Nsx exotic even when it first appeared. I considered it on the Porsche C2/c4 level, so i guess i havent changed my opinion of it. |
Dean (Deanger)
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Username: Deanger
Post Number: 74
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:16 am: | |
Mark,
LOL!
All in good fun, I hope. Certainly how I meant it.
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Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 879
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
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Dean (Deanger)
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Username: Deanger
Post Number: 73
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:51 am: | |
Actually, Mark, I think you brought up a GREAT example.
The Counach IS STILL an exotic. The NSX is not. Go drive each one around for a day if you don't believe me.
I think people want EXOTIC to mean something it doesn't.
But at the end of the day, each indivdual will decide what is exotic to them. |
Dean (Deanger)
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Username: Deanger
Post Number: 72
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:48 am: | |
My point is -- you can strip the title of exotic anytime you want. Some cars are "timeless" -- but others are not.
In my humble opinion, most people today would not look at an NSX and say it IS an exotic. |
Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 878
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:46 am: | |
Mark Spits is not the fastest swimmer any more, but he will always be a 7 gold medal winner.
Can you have the logic both ways?
NSX had many great improvments in the Exotic car world. It changed the exotic car world. If it is no longer an Exotic because other cars are faster? Well Dino, 308 So 308 is not exotic anymore? is there a double standard?
When you set the world on fire. There is a place in history for you. Can we strip the Exotic title from the Lamborghini Countouch now as well?
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allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1095
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:45 am: | |
Im sure the Porsche 914 was considered exotic at one point in time. |
Dean (Deanger)
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Username: Deanger
Post Number: 70
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:36 am: | |
We live in the present. It is possible for something to be exotic in 1990 and not in 2003.
For example:
The NSX |
matt green (Mattg)
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Username: Mattg
Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:32 am: | |
allen is correct imo |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1094
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:25 am: | |
Id say the Nsx is a semi-exotic, not on a level of Ferrari/lamborghini or Lotus, but similar to a Porsche 996. |
Mark (Study)
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Username: Study
Post Number: 877
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:18 am: | |
Matt, I looked at your chart below and have one question?
How can a car that was best Exotic in every Magazine from 1991-1993.. now not be an Exotic?
Can you take a gold medal away from the Japanese?
Lotus Esprit = Yes
Lamborghini Diablo = Yes
Ferrari 360 = Yes
Viper = maybe
Corvette = No
NSX = No |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member
Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1087
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 8:52 am: | |
Lotus certainly handles better and stops substantially better than an Nsx. The brakes on my car are unreal. As for a Zo6 stomping a Esprit flat, not a chance in the V8TT. |
Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
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Username: Mfennell70
Post Number: 173
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 8:12 am: | |
quote:BTW Esprit s4s is sick fast
It's pretty quick but a Z06 will stomp it flat.  |
matt green (Mattg)
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Username: Mattg
Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:44 am: | |
Lotus Esprit = Yes
Lamborghini Diablo = Yes
Ferrari 360 = Yes
Viper = maybe
Corvette = No
NSX = No
Porsche Boxster Coupe = NO way
BTW Esprit s4s is sick fast and VERY exotic only 150 in U.S. similar in rarity to F40. v8TT is unreal performance but not nearly as rare. |
Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
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Username: Mfennell70
Post Number: 171
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:24 am: | |
I have an S4s (see profile). Love it. The NSX is much more of a real car (you can see out of it, it probably handles better, has better low rpm torque, lasts forever, etc) I guess, but I wanted a toy. It's a great toy. |
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Username: Karmavore
Post Number: 394
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 7:05 am: | |
Thanks allan. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1085
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 2:28 am: | |
If you dont do burnouts or powershift you will be fine. |
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 933
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 9:35 pm: | |
Thread hijack:
Lucas, go for a newer Esprit if you can do it! Something like... this, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2434417445&category=6312 |
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Post Number: 393
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 8:18 pm: | |
Allan -
My worry is the gearbox. What good is a new ecu with the bigger v8 if you strip gears getting the power to the ground? Since you own one, what do you think?
Luke. |
allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
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Username: Allanlambo
Post Number: 1083
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 8:12 pm: | |
Lucas id buy the S4s over the Nsx, but if you can, buy a 98 or newer Esprit. Big difference in car, and very reliable. Very few inexpensive mods that not only boost power but also reliability, and youll leave any Nsx , plus pretty much anything else in your dust. |
Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
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Username: Karmavore
Post Number: 392
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 8:10 pm: | |
This is relevant to my current dilemma:
to buy an NSX (95T), modify it, and use it as daily transport, or by buy an Esprit S4(s) and keep it as an (almost) mechanically stock toy?
Dollar wise the S4 makes more sense to me. Of course its much more expensive to maintain, I hear, but stock it will be as quick as a modestly boosted NSX, handle better, be more 'exotic' and all for a less $. Plus the lower total cost will allow me NOT to drive it daily.
I'd rather spend the bulk of my car budget on the car and not the mods because, as I've learned, you can at least hope to recover the cost of the car while you throw the mod money in the toilet.
Luke. |
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 931
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 7:13 pm: | |
Is the NSX more exotic than the 360? No, definitely not.
But modified, it does so many things better than the 360, if I wanted a car to push the limits in, a modified NSX would be my choice, at half the price, and more reliably.
Doody, I've met a couple people, one which has some mods by the same person and his brother which is having a fully built engine and should be nearing completion. The boost levels they run are usually between 20-25psi. The engine being currently being built will handle up to 30psi but will be set to around 25psi to retain a little more drivability. HP will be well over 500 at the wheels. If it gets grip, say bye-bye!
Balance? They're building a drag monster with decent handling. The extra weight will help in the stability department
It will likely be running with the glass and cover off due to the extreme heat. But makes for good camera shots during drag races.
Keep in mind there is room for improvement in the NSX suspension setup. The NSX isn't exactly handling perfect coming out of the factory since the aftermarket parts biz have been modifying them for 10+ years now.
Boosting helps in those straight lines, but a stock NSX vs a suspension modified NSX is a big difference in lap times.
If you autocross with the NSX's, which I attend, you won't wonder how the NSX-R can turn in serious laptimes without boost.
Boosting provides the necessary improvements in order to keep up in the HP game since the factory is non-committal about any new NSX plans.
A modified suspension with boost will walk over a normal 360. The price of admittance is to buy a '93 or '94 and sink in $35k. Start reading www.nsxfiles.com if your interested in track results. |
Seyhan Kilincci (Madturk)
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Username: Madturk
Post Number: 34
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 1:22 pm: | |
I would buy an NSX as a daily driver, only if I have a couple of Ferrari's that I do not wanna drive in rainy days |
Ken (Allyn)
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Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1183
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 1:18 pm: | |
My brother in law has an NSX which I love. The A/C isn't too swift but it's a 'reliable' exotic. Fast, quick and handles pretty well. But it's a bland experience compared to my Europa or pretty much any Ferrari. I'd rather have a 308 than an NSX.
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Mr. Doody (Doody)
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Post Number: 1816
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
wow - that pansx.com thing is a neat link.
an nsx with a real powerplant? i could go for some of that.
it must shoot the weight balance to hell though? the turbos, extra whatever to bump the engine up by that much? i'm skeptical though since the guy doens't seem to have posted actual dyno charts...
i always loved the nsx since it originally debuted. i just always was underwhelmed by the power.
doody |
spanky mcdoogle (Spanker)
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 12:50 pm: | |
Alright Ken,
I concede, the Europa is an exotic...
But that NSX thing...oh, pleaaaase!
Looks like a streched Honda Civic with a wing.
Lotus does make the best handling cars, without a doubt...
Regards,
The Spanker |
Robert (Rjklein4470)
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Post Number: 305
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 12:01 pm: | |
Whoop there it is.
Sorry I have driven a NSX they are very nice cars, but I would not give up my 360 for one any day of the week or twice on sunday. |
Ken (Allyn)
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Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:58 am: | |
That's a good start. For cars there's more though. They must look cool, must be state of the art in some way when they were new, must have a performance aspect either in handling, speed or both...
So far Spankie, the Europa hits on all points. |
Jaime T. Ferraris are sex on wheels (Chevarri)
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:52 am: | |
Meriam-Webster defines exotic as
1 : introduced from another country : not native to the place where found
2. FOREIGN, ALIEN
3 : strikingly, excitingly, or mysteriously different or unusual
IMO the NSX fits the number 1, 2, and 3 spot. IMO the Viper could also be placed in this as well. A Honda civic does not.
Hey, everyone one! Go to www.m-w.com and type in the word "grand touring car" once its defined it click on the illustration of a GT car. |
Ken (Allyn)
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Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1181
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:39 am: | |
What IS an exotic? Is there a price tag on it? Isn't a 308 GT4 an exotic? Is a Bentley and exotic? We know an F50 is...is a Lambo Uracco? Let's define terms! |
Ken (Allyn)
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Post Number: 1180
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:25 am: | |
:>P
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spanky mcdoogle (Spanker)
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Post Number: 1
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 11:09 am: | |
Europa exotic?? Oh, pleeeeeeease!
Dream on... |
Ken (Allyn)
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Username: Allyn
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:59 am: | |
Thomas, I owe you! My Europa TC is a "B", same as the 360 and that made my day!!!! I stick my tongue out to all those who say my car is too cheap to be an exotic! |
DES (Sickspeed)
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Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 6685
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:44 am: | |
i like the NSX... It looks nice and drives nice, too... Aesthetically, i'd take a 360 over an NSX... Hell, i'd take a 360 over 10 NSXs... Performance-wise, well... i can't say... i've never driven a 360... but i have driven an NSX and a 355 and if a 360 is the next step up (performance-wise) from a 355, then, no question, i'd go with the 360.
As far as brand bashing goes, well, some of you are snobs... Just because it's a Honda doesn't make it less of a car... How many of you have Hondas for daily beaters...? Out in the DESert in Vegas (at 116 degrees at 7PM) the NSX that ran with the rest of the California group was fine; air conditioner on full blast, radio going and everything; the average speed for the trip was 90-something... Don't put down one brand just 'cause it's not Ferrari... MerceDES is out there RAPING some exotics and for a lot less money... Ever get spanked in your Ferrari by a 4 door luxury sedan...? Just pull up next to an E55 AMG... Let's not get ahead of ourselves, fellas. |
-- (Netviper)
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| | Posted on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 10:25 am: | |
Ben
That is the first time I have ever heard the NSX engine described as too torqey!
The 97+ NSX are already a match for a 355. With an SC, they are faster than a 360.
There are currently a lot of new turbo kits in development and it will be interesting to see what happens.
Cybernations makes 423 RWHP at 8psi... you can bet that is FAST. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
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Post Number: 967
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:46 pm: | |
First- we OWE the 360 (and 355) to the NSX. Peroid.
That said, I'd rather have a 308, let alone a 360!
Kevin- intresting you mention confidence, this proves how very different the DRIVERS can be!
The NSX I drove (an '98 3.2 with the more powerful motor) was great, and went MUCH harder than 290hp would suggest.
However, it just didn't feel 'right' to me, and I can't honestly explain why. I just didn't feel 'right' pushing it.
The engine was actually a little too torquey for me, oddly enough to say. I'd rather it was more of a screamer.
No doubt an AMAZGIN car though, and aparently really kickass and fast with solid rear links added, and a supercharger (supposed to be a tad quicker than an F355 with an S/C.)
Still, just felt numb to me. I wouldn't own one, but I definately respect them.
Best!
Ben. |
MarkPDX (Markpdx)
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Post Number: 822
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 8:54 pm: | |
quote:I mean, exoitc means rare and not local, ie not domestic, right?
The Saleen S7 is domestic and, in my opinion, qualifies as an exotic. |
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