| Author | Message | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 432 Registered: 12-2001 |
355  360  | ||
| Mfennell70 (Mfennell70)
Junior Member Username: Mfennell70 Post Number: 172 Registered: 7-2001 |
The 355F1s use the idle control to achieve a slight blip. Source: my foggy memory of Forza's 355 review | ||
| Rosso (Redhead)
Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 431 Registered: 12-2001 |
360's have drive wire. I belive the Enzo's as well. F355 use the cable, as they do not "blip", but at the same time the computer will adjust to compensate. In driving F355's, I always blip, then again, I left foot all F1's which is personal, so it makes it really easy to blip and downshift to the corner..OF coure..late straight line braking in the process. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 981 Registered: 6-2002 |
Rob- I could swear the F1 F355s all had drive-by-wire electronic throttle control. 6-speed F355s did not. All 360s I belive recived drive-by-wire (probally more as a cost savings and emmissions mitigation decision.) Can anyone confirm or deny? My memory isn't what it used to be. Best! Ben. | ||
| Dave Burch (Merlyn)
Junior Member Username: Merlyn Post Number: 144 Registered: 8-2002 |
I've never noticed it on the track, but it blips every time I come to a stop as it shifts into first or second. If I'm going at a moderate speed on the freeway and "double click" it you can hear it blip the throttle as it goes from 6th to 4th. That was one of the things the salesman pointed out to me on my first test drive. I notice the 360s blip more aggressively. | ||
| Rob Kodey (Rkodey)
New member Username: Rkodey Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2003 |
I guess I'm surprised there's so much confusion over this. There are supporters of both sides. Does it blip, or does it not blip... That is the question!  (sorry) My 355 F1 has never blipped the throttle for me. Every time I downshift (assuming I don't blip it myself), the clutch is feathered to match revs. Without an electronic throttle-by-wire, I don't see how the 355's F1 could do it. (Although, it clearly cuts the throttle to match revs on upshifts.) Is it possible that it blips on downshift only under certain circumstances? Certain rpm ranges, maybe? Only under hard braking? Only sport-mode? I've never seen it... | ||
| Dave Burch (Merlyn)
Junior Member Username: Merlyn Post Number: 143 Registered: 8-2002 |
My 99 355 F1 definatly blips on downshifts. How I don't know, but it does. | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
Member Username: Bighead Post Number: 252 Registered: 2-2003 |
Rob, you SHOULD blip the throttle with your foot when you downshift. It makes the shifting easier, with less stress and less wear. The 355 F1 system does **NOT** blip the throttle for you; it just uses the clutch. The 355 setup does not have an electronic (drive-by-wire) throttle, whereas the ***360 F1*** system does. The 360 F1 system is "2nd generation", like the BMW SMG-II system, and it DOES blip the throttle for you. vty, --Dennis | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2002 |
Rob- I only drove an F1 once, and didn't get to get on it very hard, but it did seem to blip pretty well, and pretty hard even, from a 2-1 going from about 5k to 7krpms under breaking. Also as I recall, the system also ignores pedal input during it's blip. Perhaps your car is malfunctioning? The sensor that determines clutch position is a problem area. I have heard that one of the best things to do in life is take an F1 355 going about 70mph in 4th, and STAND on the brakes, while pulling the left paddle as fast as you can! Sounds like a real F1 entering a corner! Best! Ben. | ||
| Rob Kodey (Rkodey)
New member Username: Rkodey Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well, in my experience, it's REAL shy. As best I can tell it's only using the clutch to match revs - no blip whatsoever. There seems to be plenty of other posts that support the idea that the 355 F1 doesn't help on downshifts. So... I guess it's still an open question. | ||
| Izel K. (Ferrarist)
Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 296 Registered: 3-2001 |
Thanks Ze Shark. Now i get it. | ||
| Ze Shark (Ze_shark)
New member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 35 Registered: 7-2003 |
The 355 F1 does blip, it's just that they are a bit too shy in some downshift circumstances. | ||
| Izel K. (Ferrarist)
Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 295 Registered: 3-2001 |
It's the first version of F1 tranny that is used on 355F1s, i'm not sure if the car blips itself or not but now i understand it doesn't from your posts. On 360s it's the second version of F1 tranny that does it perfectly. Although i still prefer manual | ||
| Ze Shark (Ze_shark)
New member Username: Ze_shark Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2003 |
I agree that the automatic downshift blips are fine in most of the cases, except 3rd to 2nd at high revs where clearly the clutch is slipping. I'd assume however that there is a reason why firmware is written that way, but maybe assuming there is a reason for everything in these cars is naive or candid. Still, I don't blip myself. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1113 Registered: 4-2002 |
The F1 system performs teh blip all by itself. If you have an F1, don't blip yourself, let the car do it. If you have a manual, the blip takes some stress out of a downshift. A double deClutch takes a lot more stresss out. | ||
| Rob Kodey (Rkodey)
New member Username: Rkodey Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2003 |
With all the threads about the F1 tranny, and all the threads about downshift blip, I don't see an answer to this question: Can / should I blip the 355F1 throttle on downshifts? - Clearly, the 355 F1 system doesn't do it for me. I can match revs quite easily with a well-timed blip. Am I hurting anything doing so? (I hope not - it's LOTS of fun!) - Also... I see lots of complaints about clutch wear on the 355F1. Perhaps it's because it's using the clutch to match revs?? I'm thinking I can have fun blipping the throttle AND save my clutch. Thoughts? My 355F1 GTS |