| Author | Message | ||
| Dave Janes (Sparetireless)
Junior Member Username: Sparetireless Post Number: 160 Registered: 1-2003 |
Things seem to be about $30k over for a coupe in LA. Not sure what spiders are, seems like $40-45k over sticker still! This car is still hot after 4 years. I have no axe to grind, my car is not for sale. While there are faster cars, there are non more fun. Its everything you have heard and more. The '03 version of the F1 is really, really fun. Down shifts are perfect. Tough call over a stick. If you can do it, do it, maybe wait till December when the sun is gone and you can strike some bargains? | ||
| Nick Tingle (Ntingle)
New member Username: Ntingle Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2003 |
Jeff, 6 speed MSRP = $144k. Destination, gas guzzler, options might bring it to $155k, but that's still $25k over sticker by my calculations. Nick | ||
| Nick Tingle (Ntingle)
New member Username: Ntingle Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2003 |
Scott, Yes, it was a delivery miles car where the buyer (speculator, iguana, whatever) was splitting the $14K with the dealer. I guess in theory the car was being sold twice, which I think worked in this case because there was no sales tax in that particular state... You say dealers are not "allowed" to sell at over MSRP - presumably this is an FNA policy, right? I know e.g. BMW dealers have no such compunctions. I was looking at a 99 for $140 (with the new 2 year Ferrari used powertrain warranty) but it's hard to pay close to the original MSRP of a 4 year old car. By the way the dealer I talked to would let me get on the list for a Coupe. Said it would be here "next summer". Have not done so. Yet. Thanks, Nick | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 277 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ryan Miller Motor Cars has a 2003 black coupe 6spd 900 miles and they are asking $180K. I believe there are plenty of good deals on coupes from authorized dealers | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 174 Registered: 5-2003 |
BTW, if the perfect car came about for $5k over and it had delivery miles or near it, I would buy it. The problem that I see is that all of the ones near sticker are either out of warranty or almost out. I have yet to see a newish car even remotely close to sticker. As a result, I can't help but feel that I am getting ripped off. Besides, I don't mind waiting on the list to get one for sticker. I am pretty young. It's not a big deal. | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 173 Registered: 5-2003 |
Last week, I was offered a 2002 red/tan 360 Coupe manual with shields, calipers, and daytona seats, 200 miles for $199k. That's what I mean by $40k over. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 165 Registered: 4-2003 |
Nick, Dealers are not allowed to sell over MSRP. If you saw a car for over sticker, it was either consigned or it is a "used" vehicle with probably low or even delivery miles. I have seen 2 delivery miles cars that I could have purchased "used" for 5K over. The colors were not what I wanted so I did not buy. One of the cars was from a dealer and another was through a broker. Both cars were located on the east coast and both have been sold. If you do a bunch of work and don't mind waiting a bit, you can purchase for a small margin over MSRP. | ||
| Nick Tingle (Ntingle)
New member Username: Ntingle Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2003 |
Where? Best I saw/heard of was $14K over (new, from dealer). Waiting list appears to be ~1yr, at least in N. Cal. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 163 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think Ryan was refering to a new spider. New coupes are selling for about 5K over depending on colors and options. | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
Junior Member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 122 Registered: 2-2003 |
I say quit the agonizing and do a deal - if you've got the cash right now or even are prepared to lease you ain't going to pay 40K over list for a nearly new 360 coupe. I'd say you could pay pretty close to list if you are prepared to shop around - choose the things you really want (ie stick shift) and be prepared to accept other spec stuff colour/seats etc. If you fall in love with a particular combo (stick/red/tan/daytona for example), then the dealer knows he has you. Its all time value of money as far as I'm concerned - Time in the car vs time fretting coz you don't have it. If you've got the money, its a toy - buy it have fun! | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 161 Registered: 4-2003 |
I agree with Ryan.... | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 172 Registered: 5-2003 |
One of the reasons that I am getting on the waiting list is because the prices for used 360s are not reasonable. Paying around sticker for a 3-4 year old car with no warranty? Paying $40k to $50k over for a relatively new one? It gets worse when you consider the Stradale and that in 1.5 years there will be an updated model. | ||
| Noah L-H (Noahlh)
New member Username: Noahlh Post Number: 13 Registered: 8-2003 |
Why not just get a pre-owned 360? There are a ton of them on the market these days, and prices are quite reasonable (they're hovering around $140 - $150k for 2 - 5k mile coupes). Is it really worth waiting so long for a brand-spanking new car? Maybe I'm just not patient enough...  | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 169 Registered: 5-2003 |
2005. | ||
| Al LaPeter (Lapeter)
Junior Member Username: Lapeter Post Number: 147 Registered: 6-2002 |
When is the Gallardo roadster?? | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 168 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well, the Gallardo is pretty much for sure unless I decide to sell the car or back out, both of which are extremely unlikely. I figured that if I get the 360 update (I don't feel it will be true replacement) in a couple of years that would be fine with me because I can compare the two and have and have only a year or so of having both at one time. And I do recognize that it will be about $160-$165 after the options, and the Gallardo will be $174 after my options. It must be said that Lamborghini and Ferrari are my two favourite manufacturers, which I love equally, although I have not seriously considered any Lambo after the Countach until the Murcielago and, more recently, the Gallardo. Each factory has its own attributes and I have never felt it's one againt the other but rather each has its own beauty. I cannot wait to get behind of the Gallardo as it will truly be a beast that we can all appreciate. I don't feel that any true Ferrari aficionados who truly appreciate these cars can poo-poo the Gallardo simply because it's from a Ferrari rival. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 368 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hold out for the six speed, it will be worth it. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 158 Registered: 4-2003 |
Art, The email has been sent. SD | ||
| 911 Fan (911fan)
New member Username: 911fan Post Number: 50 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ryan, Unless you really want a bare bones 360, a reasonably optioned 6-speed coupe will MSRP at around 160-165. Probably more if you end up having to wait longer. So I think you'd have to be a really devoted Ferrari fanatic not to give serious consideration to the Gallardo. Especially if you're facing a 1-2 year wait for a 360. As for your not wanting an F1 - I congratulate you! | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 167 Registered: 5-2003 |
Wayne, I was told that there are 4 orders for the CS right now and they are not sure how many they are going to get. The quote from the factory to my dealer is, "we'll build them until we run out," so who knows what that means. The problem I have with a Stradale is that it's F1 (I know, we have been over this before) and I really want a stick. The stick is a big deal to me. I need to see the car in person and see if the rest of it overcomes the F1. Therefore, if I like it I will put my name in. I also have friend on the list who has offered to sell me his, although we haven't discussed the price yet. Also important: it looks like I'll my Gallardo order will probably yield a car by March, so I'm not so sure I want to spend $200k for the Stradale vs. the $150k for the regular Modena (in stick) and the $165k for the Gallardo. And it gets more muddled when I can get a Challenge car for much less. I am not saying that the CS is not worth it, I am just saying that I need to see it, feel it, and hear it in person first before I can make that decision. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Advanced Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 2650 Registered: 6-2001 |
Scott: Drop me an email. Art | ||
| wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
Junior Member Username: Bad_tt Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ryan Are you sure there is even a spot for available on the 360 CS list? I thought most if not all slots filled everywhere? If there is put money down now because by the time you see the car it will be too late IMO. | ||
| jake diamond (Rampante)
Junior Member Username: Rampante Post Number: 143 Registered: 4-2002 |
From the looks of things, by the time any of you guys get your car, the replacement will be out and why would you spend top dollar (even at MSRP) to purchase the outgoing model; why not just get switched to the replacement car list? | ||
| Ryan Sabga (Sherpa23)
Junior Member Username: Sherpa23 Post Number: 166 Registered: 5-2003 |
I went in two weeks to put in a deposit on a coupe. I was told that I would probably get it in a year to 18 months for a stick (which is what I want). However, I am a little concerned about getting one of the last 360 Coupes before the updated model comes out. My dealer has no separate list for the new model. As a result, I am going to wait a few more months before I put in the deposit on a 360 OR as soon as I see a Stradale I will decide whether or not to put in a deposit on that. At any rate, I was surprised that the wait was so short for a stick (apparently, no one on the current list wants a stick). | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 418 Registered: 3-2002 |
I got on the list for a 360 Modena Oct 2000. I was close to the top of the list (purportedly) when the Stradale was rumored/announced, and I switched my name over to that list. So, even in Oct 2000, the wait was 2-3 years, and I am sure its only grown since then. During that waiting time, I did see their estimates of how many cars they would be allocated slowly drop off... it does seem they've been quite frustrated at both too few cars and too little visibility of the number of cars they would get. With that said, if I don't get a call real soon now that they've finally been allocated my 360... well... frustrated postal workers might look pretty tame. | ||
| Al LaPeter (Lapeter)
Junior Member Username: Lapeter Post Number: 146 Registered: 6-2002 |
My experience so far- I am on the list for a spider. I have been on the list for almost 1 1/2 years. I just spoke with the dealer and he said they didn't get many cars this year. There are still about 50 names ahead of me. At the present rate, my wait is at least 3 to 4 more years. I am glad that I bought a 355 spider in the meantime. This is an interesting concept to me. Maybe Ferrari needs to send more cars to the USA and less to Europe. I don't think any North America dealers have new spiders on their lot available at MSRP. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Intermediate Member Username: Doody Post Number: 1801 Registered: 11-2001 |
apparently the dealers really don't know what their 360 allocations are going to look like right now. the 360CS production has apparently thrown a spanner in the works as it concerns "regular" 360 coupes. my local dealer recently told me i could get on the 360 list, but a stick would be a long long wait (apparently they produce 1 stick for every 3 or 4 F1 cars). if i wanted an F1, i'd probably have it "first half 2004", but couldn't get any more detailed than that. my experience, fwiw. doody. | ||
| alberto bavai (Abavai)
Junior Member Username: Abavai Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2002 |
At Spain if a buyer want get on a waiting list for 8 months for a coupe and 2 year for a spider. But a buyer can buy a new 360 without money extra beacuse there are too many dealers have got F cars new without buyers. | ||
| Scott DeGhetto (Scott63)
Junior Member Username: Scott63 Post Number: 157 Registered: 4-2003 |
I have tried to get on a waiting list for a new 360 Coupe at several dealers (I was willing to put the deposit down) and I have not been able to do it. Most dealers have said their list is too long or that they don't know how many 360's they will get each year. I find this hard to believe. I know the spider list is still long and a lot of buyers also now want the Stradale (which I do not). I think the waiting list is a big scam to keep people from being able to buy a car at sticker. It is amazing that most dealers have "pre-owned" 360's with only 30 or 40 miles on them that they are selling for $40K over sticker. Any suggestions? |