| Author | Message | ||
| Chris Murphy (Cjmotorsports)
New member Username: Cjmotorsports Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2003 |
here is the repro for sale.     | ||
| Jim DeRespino (Jimbo)
Junior Member Username: Jimbo Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2001 |
Original or repro, genuine or fake, real or silicone. You know what, it really doesn't matter. If it's your car (or breast) and it makes you happy, then do it. You wanna paint flames on your Enzo, go for it. There will always be persons who criticize and ridicule, but at the end of the day the only one you have to please is yourself. Ask those who cry shame: "So let's see your 250TR (or GTO, breast, etc) and see how fast they shut up. To quote the infamous Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?..." | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3235 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was thinking it would be cool to do a "replica" except with a 550 engine, drivetrain, suspension, brakes, & AC  probably more of a hot rod than a replica | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Intermediate Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 1110 Registered: 4-2003 |
I heard that if you buy the car, it comes with two complementary Bulgarian "Ferarri" t-shirts to match the style of your purchase... (Nope, no typo nor spelling mistake from my side there!) Jack | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 432 Registered: 7-2003 |
Andrew-Phillip Goalen wrote: As Led Zep put it "What isn't, what shouldnt be" All told, that's: "What Is and What Should Never Be" (Page/Plant on II)- I agree with your points about after-the-fact rebodies - doing such with a racecar is one thing, but quite another with cars long ago originally retailed. | ||
| Gonzo (Igonzo)
New member Username: Igonzo Post Number: 11 Registered: 9-2003 |
Here are 2 replicas : In Oldtimer Meeting in Baden-Baden, Germany  In Bonhams Gstaad Auction 2001, Switzerland It was considered as a true reconstructed TR (s/n 0720TR)It was a replica in fact  Gonzo Cavallino.CC | ||
| Chris Murphy (Cjmotorsports)
New member Username: Cjmotorsports Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2003 |
Good arguments. But if the recreation is done by a Design house which Ferrari has utilized for one-offs and production, ie. Scaglietti, Fantuzzi, Bertone, Pininfarina, etc., then how can you consider this an abomination if it retains the original heart and lungs of the donor car. I think it's like giving a great work of art an overhaul. It's my opinion that if a design house creates a limited number of "exact" replicas, that would definitley increase the value of the donor car, (becoming more rare) and the recreation would become more valuable because of the rarity of the hand assembled ltd production run. I know nothing beats an original. but at a fraction of the price, well... you know. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 407 Registered: 9-2002 |
Thanks Andrew, thats one Image I didn't want in my head.......... excuse me for a few minutes whilst I find a pic of a perfect Girly with Silicone and a perfect Girly without, just to make my point you understand!!!!!!! | ||
| Joop van der Meer (Jhjvdm)
Junior Member Username: Jhjvdm Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2003 |
When someone buys this car and enjoys driving it, knowing 1 that he never will be able to contest in a Ferrari concours - but how many 'real' Ferraris do? 2 that 'real' Ferrari owners wil feel sorry for him - but how many other Ferraris will he meet during open rides? 3 that many so-called Ferrari connoisseurs will think it is original 4 that many other 'ordinary' drivers will stare at his car 5 that he has paid his car and knows it is in perfect condition 6 that he knows he is driving a Ferrari after all I would not mind taking his place..... | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1445 Registered: 10-2001 |
Andrew , Im sure William does ! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1444 Registered: 10-2001 |
But usually the bodies are made by the same companies from the 1950/1960's . I do like those cars but i agree they cant be compared to the real thing although i still feel they are Ferraris. Not like a Datsun based GTO replica. | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 185 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well, I know we've beaten this horse to death here on F-chat, but for what it's worth: I always hear the argument that it makes no economic sense to restore a 1960s 2+2. No one could possibly disagree with that. However, there is not an endless supply of these cars to be hacked into more desirable and therefore more 'valuable' (as the market determines) GTOs and Testa Rossas. My understanding is that there are 17 surviving 330 Americas, including the Alabama barn find, of the only 50 made in the early 1960s. 17. That is twenty times rarer than an Enzo. Yet the alabama car will probably end up a recreation of some sort because that is what people want and are willing to pay for. I feel that that would be a great loss. In my admittedly biased view, God bless people like Tom Yang who make the economically irrational decision to satisfy their passion by restoring an old 2+2 to its original state. | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 404 Registered: 9-2002 |
so why not stick to under 25's!!!!!!! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3233 Registered: 2-2001 |
after 25 years of age they all need silicone anyways | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 403 Registered: 9-2002 |
william, that was my point a Fakes a fake, no matter how much we enjoy it!!!!!! so do you really prefer silicone? personally you can't beat the real thing!!!!!! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3232 Registered: 2-2001 |
I like silicon better than real of course I'd rather have a Real pontoon TR but I could live with a nice cheap fake | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 401 Registered: 9-2002 |
Andrew, having looked at a Daytona Replica with original Ferrari running gear (400) but replica spyder bodywork last week, I'm now of the opinion that a replica is a replica doesn�t matter what chassis or engine, Besides if it's got a GTE chassis and its been chopped then its not really a Ferrari Chassis merely a chassis that was made for Ferrari then Buggered up by somebody else! As Ferrari didn�t make the Chassis merely specked them and had a local shop make them, so therefore a Ferrari chassis is only one which has been made to Ferrari specs otherwise it�s one that�s been modified to Ferrari Spec�s, which means that any chassis that is made to SEFAC specs is a �Ferrari� chassis The body swap was common in the 50's and 60's but only for competition cars that had been damaged whilst racing, not cars that had been changed because somebody wanted to pretend that they had and original TR, for the cost you could get an original PF cabriole, IE all the performance and a beautiful shape without bastardising a GTE, In other words whilst somebody can afford a real TR, if its not one of the few genuine TR�s then it�s a fake doesn�t mater what bits its made from and how nice it is, it is and always will be a fake TR Nice fakes are nice fakes, in the same way that Silicone Breast are great but you can't beat the real thing! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1441 Registered: 10-2001 |
Differences : Ferrari chassis , Ferrari Gb , Ferrari Engine ...Basically its a body swap , which was pretty common back then . | ||
| Andrew-Phillip Goalen (Andrewg)
Member Username: Andrewg Post Number: 400 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bryan Glad somebody can look beyond value and form a GTE is a great car a reproduction TR is just a fake we all ridicule Pontiacs chopped up to become 3X8's GTO's and Rossas, whats the differnce between that and this FAKE Tr? As Led Zep put it "What isn't, what shouldnt be" | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 184 Registered: 8-2002 |
(Read this post in Sally Struthers' whiny voice): Let me tell you what happened to make this car: First, you have an abused, abandoned 250GTE that never wanted anything more but to please an appreciative owner; it only ever wanted to rev up to 5500 for the joy of the owner and his kids in the back seat. But Nooooo! Over the years, the ageing GTE is not cared for properly, develops fixable old-age problems and is left in the barn to die. Then the flesh-peddling, organ-donor-for-profit man comes along, pays a little blood money to the last neglectful owner and drags the poor beast into the light of day. The former grand old beast is taken to the butcher shop and its skin is pulled off of its body, piece by piece. Right before its own eyes, the GTEs guts are taken apart and either saved or unceremoniously trashed. In a last, defiant gesture, the GTE spews oil and brake fluid onto the cold concrete floor of the slaughterhouse. Then the butcher takes a white-hot flame and cuts into the backbone of the poor creature, cutting several inches out of its length, before welding it back together. IF YOU HAVE ANY DECENCY,THINK ABOUT THIS and the whimpering cries of the GTE, 330 GT2+2, 365GT2+2, et al the next time you cast your eye longingly at a pontoon-fendered recreation!! Bryan Phillips executive deputy vice president pro tem People for the Ethical Treatment of Old Ferrari 2+2s (if anyone here is a personal friend of Sally Struthers, I apologize in advance.) | ||
| Chris Murphy (Cjmotorsports)
New member Username: Cjmotorsports Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2003 |
Will do William, you'll have them by late this eve. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3229 Registered: 2-2001 |
Chris, send me some pics of the car if you like [email protected] | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Senior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 6724 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh my... That's really sweet... Wow... | ||
| Chris Murphy (Cjmotorsports)
New member Username: Cjmotorsports Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2003 |
William, If memory serves correctly, it uses the 62 250GTE frame and drivetrain, I'll go over there this eve and take some pic's (Couldn't find files in my computer, knew I had them) But it is currently in a collection of which I've sold over 1/2 dozen cars. Each of which has been meticulisly kept. Will Post later. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3225 Registered: 2-2001 |
Christopher, does the car you have come with the same pontoon body ? I'd love to see some pics of it. Which engine/ frame does it use ? | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1428 Registered: 10-2001 |
Looks good !! This car shouldnt cost more than 200 000$ ..thats usually the price of repro on GTE chassis , be it for GTO or California's . | ||
| Scott Anderson (Srandrsn)
Junior Member Username: Srandrsn Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2001 |
The car really looks good in that silver...I think everyone I've seen has been red | ||
| Christopher Murphy (Cjmotorsports)
New member Username: Cjmotorsports Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2003 |
William, I've been representing a car similar to this but a Fantuzzi rebody of the 250TR retaining its 62' 250GTE drivetrain, absolutely gorgeous automobile, rosso corsa/black. Very nice example w/great sounds from that 12. A rare car with it being 1 of maybe a dozen built... I'll try to dig up some pic's. As far as Jordanego, I haven't heard of them but looks accurate. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Intermediate Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 1225 Registered: 8-2001 |
It looks great!!!!! How much would something like this go for?...any idea? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3222 Registered: 2-2001 |
Anybody ever heard of the Jordanego garage that built it ? Thanks | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Advanced Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 3221 Registered: 2-2001 |
This is a real Ferrari 250GTE rebodied as a 57 pontoon TR. I'd love to get 1 of these. http://ferrari2000.de/car_detail_tech.asp?sold=j&Abschicken=show&car_key=117 |