| Author | Message | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Intermediate Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 1031 Registered: 9-2002 |
Guys guys, remember that the NSX is hand build it ridiculously low numbers (my car was number 183 or something when i had it) in a special factory in Japan by only the most senior Honda employees. I mean, exoitc means rare and not local, ie not domestic, right? | ||
| rdp (Garretto)
New member Username: Garretto Post Number: 6 Registered: 9-2003 |
I honestly never thought a Honda could be exotic. I think it had something to do with breed, not only with power figures and production numbers. And if it comes to turning heads... even my red Celica does when it's just washed. My $20,000 exotic, wow!!! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1065 Registered: 6-2002 |
Since i would never buy a Nsx or a Lotus brand new, im not concerned about warranty issues. Im sure a 97+ Supercharged Nsx would be an awesome car. I have seen Gerrys Nsx, and no doubt it is a very fast car. But in order to duplicate it would cost some serious money, which i would spend elsewhere. As for a P-car, if its speed you want, then the P-car is unbeatable. With the right mods they are daily driveable monsters that will run circles around any Ferrari, lamborghini, Lotus, Nsx etc. Gerry's car also looks great in that pic. | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2001 |
Allan, I am pretty sure if you had stuck an SC on a 97 NSX, you would have loved the car.. But anyway, if you want to see a turbo NSX with some real power, check out www.pansx.com That machine will wipe out any 360. I don't think ANYONE on nsxprime would say the NSX is more exotic than a ferrari 360 though.. I see topdaytrader started this thread... just another troll with nothing better to do. I am surprised he hasn't called the 360 junk since his P-car is just all that. Anyway, I thought you guys might like this pic of Gerry's 500+ HP car..  | ||
| david charles (Supraboytt)
Junior Member Username: Supraboytt Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2001 |
i agree with you that any of ethe v8 tt esprits- with minimal work will churn out serious numbers-much like an mkiv supra- but - unlike an sc nsx- they are not street legal- and you'd be voidng your warranty with both a reporgrammed ecu and by de-catting or using a cat bypass so apples to oranges | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1064 Registered: 6-2002 |
Very true. A 97+ would be even faster, but i look at this way, i was in a bone stock Lotus, and with just cat bypass pipes and air filters would beat either of them, let alone if i installed a race ecu (good for almost 100hp) or intercoolers, upgraded turbos etc. The Nsx can basicly be made to just get to the exotic level of performance, while others can easily exceed it. I know you can twin turbo an Nsx, but that involves much more of an investment, which in my eyes is not worth it. | ||
| david charles (Supraboytt)
Junior Member Username: Supraboytt Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2001 |
and that was an early nsx- with 20hp less NA and who knows how much less with an sc versus an 97 + | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 738 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ok Allan, I'll check back later, I'm going out for a little while there is still some sunlight. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 822 Registered: 2-2001 |
"is an NSX more exotic then an F360"....ummm No! | ||
| ryan (Ferrari_kid)
New member Username: Ferrari_kid Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2003 |
The NSX is a nice Japanese supercar, but its no Ferrari. Soon, everybody including rice kids will be driving the NSX. a friend of mine (very much a ricer) just traded two of his Acura Legends, one a coupe and the other a sedan, both modded to the max, for a '97 NSX. i have yet to take a ride in it but i assume it will be just amazing. as for comparing a 360 to an NSX in handling and race ability i can't say for sure since i've only been in a race situation with a Z06 or M5. but i can say for sure that he'd trade that NSX for a Ferrari 360 anyday, if he could only maintain the car. as for now he gets enough attention as a college student with a car like that. i guess if you are talking "exotic" car or not i usually go by it's ability to turn heads. the nsx can do this, but not the way a ferrari does, the nsx just seems to blend in more. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1062 Registered: 6-2002 |
I raced an early Nsx with a Basch supercharger, exhaust and headers. Less than 10k in mods and it was neck and neck with my Lotus. Gear for gear he'd pull on me down low, and id reel him back in up top. Made the car a whole new animal, and a 360 would have a very hard time with one. | ||
| david charles (Supraboytt)
Junior Member Username: Supraboytt Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2001 |
no doubt 360 is a cooler car- but despite the fact the nsx is a bit long in the tooth - you still have to give it props- everyone assumes that it cost 90k - which of course is the msrp but no one is buying them for anywhere near that you can get a practically new one ( 02 03-facelfited) for high 60's low 70's- add a supercharger exhaust suspension and your still under 90k - and assuming you bought all comptech stuff you haven't even voided the warranty and your still street legal as far as the looks go the facelifted nsx is a huge step forward in terms of the design- makes the car look much more substantial and far newer so even with a few serious mods- that keep the car under warranty and street legal( so don;t start the 10 second f -body comparisons) you have a car substantially cheaper than a 360 and equally as fast if not faster(sc nsx puts out almost 420 to the crank)and weighs about 100 lbs less than a 360 lastly- as far as rarity goes - they are making less than 200 facelifted cars a year- there will be under 1000 in total- making it extremely exclusive- i see about 5 360's to every facelifted nsx here in vegas anyways-still a lot of bang for your buck if you looks at the real world cost figures | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1060 Registered: 6-2002 |
Modman, im going to take those pics and email them to you today! Sorry. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1059 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ah Dave, dont be such a wimp. When Nsx owners sit there and compare their cars to Ferrari 360's and Lamborghinis, yes they will get bashed. When they constantly talk out their ass about how unreliable all other cars are, how they beat these cars on race tracks all the time, etc etc, they will get bashed. The Nsx is a nice car, but i would never buy another. Id buy another 308 though. Now if the new Nsx came out with a 6 or 8cyl twin turbo, 350-400hp, weighed 3000pds and had the tuning capabilities of the Supra, for say 80-90,000, id put my name on the list right now. And on the 89 Mustangs that would blow my Lambo away, lol, take a hell of a Mustang to do it, im sure it can be done, but i would still be the one driving home in the Lambo at the end of the day! | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 734 Registered: 11-2001 |
When you see too many of one thing it's not exotic enough especially when made for the masses, that's just my opinion. There is a difference comparing looks and performance when you are talking of exotics. If I wanted a performance car it would have to be the best performer for the money, not exotic. Like I said before a car made for a particular purpose and what the heck is a formula 1 made for the road? the car would get tore up so fast in the real world and how many of these you see as a daily driver? maybe a few who would take chances on tearing up the body and underpanels whould do so but not me. $500k plus F1 car for the road great practicality! Nah... | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 369 Registered: 1-2003 |
I would not trade my 360 for the NSX and 100k. It's a great car but IMO not in the class of the 360. | ||
| Calvin Chung (Cchung)
New member Username: Cchung Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have a '00 NSX but not a Ferrari. I would think most NSX owners, but not all, would trade their NSX for a 360 if they had a choice but certainly not vica versa. I feel the 360 is what NSX owners want the next generation NSX to be like: good looks, V8 engine, 400hp, lightweight, great handling, etc. I am currently trying to sell my NSX and don't know whether I should get an '04 NSX, wait for the next generation NSX, or take the plunge and get a 360. I was considering a 996TT but the styling doesn't appeal to me. I am reluctant to get a 360 because I've been spoiled by the reliability and relatively low maintenance costs of the NSX compared to the 360. I think that's what scares most NSX owners from getting a Ferrari. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 656 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ferrari does need a kick up its backside, constantly. In any event, it will be all so boring if we are left with only one viable brand in the supercar league. But at the end of the day, competitors come and go. Ferrari is still Ferrari. | ||
| Jerry Slagle (Slag_328gts)
New member Username: Slag_328gts Post Number: 24 Registered: 9-2003 |
I like the exterior of the NSX, but the interior needs some work. I'm not sure what the big deal is here - The NSX is a nice car, but it's not a Ferrari. | ||
| Dave (Netviper)
New member Username: Netviper Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2001 |
Would I trade my NSX for a 360... I would if I could afford to maintain it. The NSX is relatively easy on the pocket book for maintence. I have driven the 360 and it is an amazing car, but it is not all that. For those of you who think the NSX has no soul, throw an aftermarket exhaust on and you will hear soul... With a SC on it, it will easily keep up with a 360. It's funny, I gave a friend of mine a ride in the NSX after we took out his 360.. and his comment was "You know, I don't think my car is worth all the extra money over this car". (comparing a 93 to a 2001 360). But for those of you who don't really know the NSX and just want to keep bashing it.. go right ahead. As for allan, he is just a lost case.. I hope he never gets another NSX because I for one am glad he doesnt sit on nsxprime anymore and bash everyone... of course, all allan knows how to do is go fast in a straight line, and that takes a lot of skill. I know people with 89 mustangs that would toast his lambo... but to each his own.. | ||
| Norm (32storm)
Junior Member Username: 32storm Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2003 |
I wouldn't take an NSX over a 360. But, I do like the NSX styling with the integral wing. I think it was a very well executed design. Could be a much nicer car with more HP. As far as styling, I think the front end of a 360 is one of the ugliest Ferrari has ever had. It makes it look like a Porsche. But in terms of HP, and mechanically, very much superior to the NSX. | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
Junior Member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2002 |
Duh...Got things backwards....360M anyday. | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
Junior Member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 94 Registered: 11-2002 |
I checked out the NSX when researching a "fun" car purchase. It put Ferrari on the road to make a even better car [355 (B & spider) & 360 (M & Spider)]. Current specs on the Evo 8 & STI leave the NSX (except NSX-R) back in history. I was disappointed when I finally checked out the NSX up close. I opted for the visceral excitement (looks, sound & smell) & racecar-like performance of '77 Maserati Khamsin. Trade a NSX for an 360M - yeah, if they put in a V-12. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 154 Registered: 10-2002 |
Certainly the NSX was more technologically advanced than the equivalent '92 ferrari. All aluminum, titanium connecting rods, variable valve timing. They also seem to handle use (aside from rear tire life) well. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Intermediate Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 1398 Registered: 10-2001 |
The NSR-R is a great car although totally bland and without any character.It is an amazing track car which still amazes me by how fast it is ! Can someone explain how it can be that fast around thering with only 280 hp and the same weight of a 360 ? | ||
| Dave White (Dwhite)
Junior Member Username: Dwhite Post Number: 143 Registered: 5-2003 |
I liked the NSX when they first came out, now they don't grab me when I see them. I also feel Acura could do a newer design. The integrated rear wing looked nice for a while, now with so many manufacturers using this design it's too common. Never had the chance to drive one and would like to, but I know they can kick my 308s ass in a straight line. Honda definitly makes quality engines. | ||
| bboxer (Bboxer)
Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 347 Registered: 8-2001 |
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| Kevin Deal (Tube_guy)
Junior Member Username: Tube_guy Post Number: 59 Registered: 5-2003 |
I agree with Testaroja. And it's hard to go against the grain. But..... From what I observe, people that know zero about the NSX are impressed, the middle crowd that has a bias due to the Japanese name poo poo it, and the guys I know that are the most hard core racers/drivers seem to agree it is an amazing f*cking car all these years later. I almost bought one a couple years ago. Wish I had just for fun. If they gave it more juice, updated the interior and front end (the front end re-do they performed sucks IMHO) it would still kick ass. You can't deny the engineering, build, and passion that went into every step of building them. Every time I have drove one I have felt very much at home, and it inspires confidence in a much more intuitive way than any Ferrari I have driven or owned. Panache? Not like a Ferrari. But Harley Davidson owners bang on Japanese bikes for similar reasons. I own a Harley too and think it ain't much truth be told. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1057 Registered: 6-2002 |
Even though im not a fan of the 360, i cannot agree that an Nsx looks better. | ||
| Kevin Paul (Klfpaul)
New member Username: Klfpaul Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2003 |
"Even the NSX gained so much input from the Young F1 Engineers at Honda. The fact that Senna and Prost developed the car at the Ring just added to its capabilities." That is so true. Current Ferrari's have had something to build off of, the 348 developed from the 308/328, 355 from the 348, etc. What has always struck me is how Honda got the development of the NSX so right the first time with essentially nothing to build from that was in the same class as the NSX, it was "a clean sheet design" which is maybe why it was and is still so good even after all these years. Let's not forget this car was designed more than 12 years ago, and it's chassis and handling dynamics are still one of the very best. Which is something that cannot be denied, all brand snobbery aside. Where the NSX fails is in the raw, visceral, in your face aura that occurs no matter how fast or slow you drive a Ferrari (which the 360 seems to have lost a bit of). The NSX at slow speeds is like a civic, but at speed will make you grin from ear to ear and be amazed at it's poise and balance. I know I am and it took me a bit of disapointed first drives in mine before I found that out, now I push it alot more to get the most out of it and am still amazed. Is it an exotic, one could argue for days on the definition of exotic so it is a worthless flame war type question. Take the NSX for what it is, a supremely capable car, and respect it because Ferrari's are so much better because of it. How many times does a "mortal person" get to drive something tuned and "touched" by one of the greatest F1 drivers ever (Senna)? THE greatest IMHO. | ||
| Gregory (Prugna_328)
New member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 41 Registered: 9-2003 |
No Mark the 69 RR dosnt have the wing, that was the 70 Plymouth Roadrunner Superbird. Wish I had one, thay are worth big bucks now. My friend Ken had one when we were just kids. I think he sold it for about 3000. One of the other cars I had which was a strange duck was a car my brother and I found and bought off an old guy for 50 bucks. It was an all orig never hot rodded or anything 1964 Plymouth Belvedere. The thing that made it rare was it had the orig 426 street wedge in it. For those of you out there who dont speak mopar it was not a Hemi. Just had the same cubes. What the 426 wedge was, a 440 Mopar big block before they punched it out to 440. Ran like a bear. Like I said Im really into all cars, Maseratis, Ferraris, Lambos. Porsche. Bikes too I own a Ducati 996. I was been able a couple of years ago to Tour the Ferrari factory, The Lambo. factory and the Ducati factory. Had a great time. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 143 Registered: 9-2002 |
Some great posts from everybody here. Mark, I agree I think that the same people that ran the Honda F1 program in the late 80's and early 90's were different from the faceless corporate suits that now work with BAR. Had Honda been able to hook up with a Williams or McLaren they would continue winning. I just think that they don't have the passion for it and it is more a marketing exercise now. Toyota however looks like they are on a Mission and are giving it a 100% they just need a better Technical Director instead of Gustav Brunner. They were trying to recruit Mike Gascoyne from Renault. One of the cars I regret selling the most was my NSX, I think the pre 2002 cars were better looking and the fighter cockpit was excellent. It was really a fantastic car. Allan, I think that F1 is relevant to Supercar technology look at the Enzo and the McLaren F1. Carbon Fiber structures, engine technology, gearbox technology and brake technology all are as a result. Even the NSX gained so much input from the Young F1 Engineers at Honda. The fact that Senna and Prost developed the car at the Ring just added to its capabilities. Sorry about the long post. | ||
| L. (Testaroja)
Junior Member Username: Testaroja Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2003 |
I own a 328gts and a testarossa also I owned a nsx. Owning one and driving one its not the same thing. Also if we look at a profile view of the nsx and 360 the nsx wins in looks, a 91 car that looks like a ferrari 408 prototype, the nsx looks more ferrari than the 360. From all the high performance cars I owned the nsx is the one that I still kick my butt for selling. Guys in 348, 328, 308 should not bash the nsx because this car will make you look stupid if you were to race against it. Only bad about it is that it doesn't sound like a real exotic, and that its not build by ferrari, but if it was then everyone would be saying how the ferrari nsx its the best ferrari ever even if its now underpowered. Say what you want at least I know where merit should go. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 865 Registered: 10-2001 |
I don't like the rap music either, we all get old. You need a lap-top and Software to work on your teen-racer now-a-days. I can see your point. Honda's are good for the kids. Just not the same as in the good old days. Whats the Plymouth Roadrunner like to drive? Its not the one with the big fin? Funny story- I was test driving a NSX and a kid in a fart-can Honda all fixed up, blows by me on the ramp off the hiway. I guess that gave him a good 'kill story" for the civic chat room. I wasn't about to push a car that I didn't own at the moment. | ||
| Gregory (Prugna_328)
New member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 40 Registered: 9-2003 |
Like I said all the worked up Hondas out there just dont ring "performance car" to me. Am I off base here or do other old farts like me who grew up with muscle cars feel the same way? Which is why I guess I got kind of smart about the NSX. Cool car, wouldnt mind owning one. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 864 Registered: 10-2001 |
Thanks for the note Gregory Nice to know your a cool guy and know about a lot of cars. I respect that. | ||
| Gregory (Prugna_328)
New member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2003 |
PS guess it kind of makes me feel anti Honda. | ||
| Gregory (Prugna_328)
New member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2003 |
Hey if there ever was a guy who is not really brand loyal its me. I LOVE ALL CARS. I presently own not only a Ferrari, but a Corvette, a Mustang, and a good old 1960s muscle car, a 69 Plymouth Roadrunner. The NSX, great car, looks great goes great its just not a Ferrari with all of its racing history. If you will allow me, I apologize for the coffee can comment. Guess I'm just getting old and not matter how I try I do not see a "Hot rod" in every accord that goes by making alot of noise. | ||
| billy zissis (89tr)
Member Username: 89tr Post Number: 293 Registered: 4-2001 |
Why do people say that the NSX's shape is a little long in the tooth or outdated? To me it looks timeless and they did a fabulous job with the integrated rear wing. I also love its fighter jet cockpit look. No, it is not more exotic than the Ferrari but its not a fart can ricer either. I just wish it had more POWER. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 862 Registered: 10-2001 |
"In your dreams. It's a Honda. Hey everybody lets break out those coffee can mufflers" Hi Gregory, I'm sorry for trying to have an intelligent conversation about any-other-car besides Ferrari. You have restored my fait in the fact that some people are just not interested in being smart. I will try to check my thirst for knowledge at the door and bring my Ferrari pom-poms, want to do a Ferrari Cheer together? | ||
| Gregory (Prugna_328)
New member Username: Prugna_328 Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2003 |
In your dreams. It's a Honda. Hey everybody lets break out those coffee can mufflers. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 861 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Mark, I'm sorry how long has Honda been back with BAR? How many victories or poles have they had? " I don't get BAR? Seems Honda is just half into it? Honda, more then Toyota seems to be split between wanting to go for the American Market full bore in the IRL, if Cart will die in 2004 and end the open wheel split in America. I wonder if Honda could mount a serious F1 and IRL team or if they have to pick the most profitable market? (Europe/USA) P.S. I gave up on the NSX when they didn't give it another 100hp in 2002 face-lift and only changed the headlights. But I still think it deserves better debate then just trashing it. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1056 Registered: 6-2002 |
What i meant by my post about who really needs F1, is that to me it seems that racing does not truly improve the breed. Cars with no f1 experience perform better all around than the F1 champs. As for the Nsx-r, and an 8.09 Nurburgring time, it was posted by a driver with lots of seat time in an Nsx, and you cant buy an Nsx-r in the states, so it doesnt really matter much. I believe the Pagani Zonda posted a 7.44 at the ring also. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Intermediate Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 1067 Registered: 8-2001 |
NSX beats 360's all day long in Japan GT series. I watch JTCC all the time and keep up with the series. Saw a couple of races back in 1997 when I was in Japan for the summer. The rules are tilted in favor of the Japanses makes. Case in point, for three years the Yellow Corn McLaren F1 was a mid pack runner. Ask yourself why a car that won LeMans overall by a huge margin cannot beat a GTS/GT class NSX. Top speed of the JTCC NSX is around 200 mph while the long tail version of the F1 ran 239 mph at LeMans. The Japanese put extra weight on the McLaren and limited the restrictors even more so than the LeMans spec ones. As for Honda in F1 being dominant at the outset with McLaren/Williams that is incorrect. They entered F1 in the early 60's not the mid 80's. And also don't forget that the McLaren had already won several championships with the awesome Tag-Porsche Turbo engines when Honda took over. Toyota has done nothing in F1 save a few good qualifying runs, and some airtime at Silverstone when they lead the race briefly. Check fuel strategy tomorrow....I bet the Toyota's pit early. It was important for them to do well in the US since it's one of their main markets. Honda hasn't done well with BAR at all. It's not all Honda's fault but let's face it they have nothing to show for bearly 5 years of development. And as far as Toyota is concerned they spend about as much as Ferrari does (estimated to be $400 milion) and have yet to earn a podium finish. Lastly, the NSX WAS a great car when it came out. It was lightweight, used extensive alumininum, and was fairly reliable. It was indeed the car that made Ferrari take notice and improve their cars. The guy that ran Honda at the time (Yamamoto ??) said Ferrari were dinosaurs and a relic of the past. He predicted the NSX would eclipse them all but that didn't happen because they never developed the car further. It is still woefully underpowered and has no soul. Part of it's problem is the image that the car can be driven by almost everyone. Honda did such a good job that your grandmother could drive it at 8/10ths but this took some of the Supercar soul out of it. I have driven many of them at the track and they are very well balanced but quite mundane. Overall a good car that helped turn Ferrari around by forcing them to build better cars. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 www.flatoutracing.net | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hubert great photos of Senna, yes Senna and Prost did develop the chassis of the NSX. The NSX was ahead of its time and a much better car than the 348 was. It was because of the NSX that Ferrari built the 355 the way they did. However, the NSX is getting a bit old now. Mark, I'm sorry how long has Honda been back with BAR? How many victories or poles have they had? Didn't Honda just state that if their fortunes in F1 don't improve by 2004 they may drop the program. Ferrari went through a bad period but so did Williams and McLaren. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 141 Registered: 9-2002 |
Actually Honda dominated F1 from about 86-91 with Williams and McLaren. But since they have come back how many races have they won with BAR? So what if Toyota had one good qualifying effort, lets see how they finish tomorrow. By the way when I posted I didn't mention the Japanese manufacturers, it was about Chevy, Lamborghini, and Dodge. As far as Toyota they will be lucky to win a race in the next 2 years (unless a fluke like Brazil this year happens). | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
Junior Member Username: Deanger Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2003 |
I turn my head and look at the NSX... I do so because I think to myself "Now there is an example of styling that truly is NOT timeless. .. What a shame..." An NSX for a 360? -- Where's Dave with one of those crack pipe graphics. I mean, that is just plain silly. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 860 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ferrair looks sooooo much better, and is soooo much faster. I love guys that are "brand blind"  Would I trade? No. Becuase it is a 1991 car design for a 1999 car design. But when you bash NSX, you look like a brand snob, if some one shows up with facts. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 859 Registered: 10-2001 |
NSX beats 360's all day long in Japan GT series. If you're a crazy Japanese racing fan, you totally respect the NSX. 360 is better because it is 1999 car and NSX was 1991. That's all. Just like compairing a 360 to the brand new Ford GT, the newer designed car is always better, amoung the top car makers in the world.  | ||
| TAKO (Tako)
Member Username: Tako Post Number: 253 Registered: 4-2002 |
Yeah, I would trade my 360 for a NSX... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| 1987 (Slag_328gts)
New member Username: Slag_328gts Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2003 |
No way - Not even in the same class. I like the NSX, but there is now way I can compare it to a true exotic. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 858 Registered: 10-2001 |
How did Toyota get into the top 3 today at Indy. They just started in F1 in 2002. Why are the Japanese such great engineers? Ferrair's top-dog did not do nearly as well. After how many years in F1? You have to give them credit. If my life depended on it, I'd want a Japanese engineer.   | ||
| Darryl - TR&328 (Tr328)
Junior Member Username: Tr328 Post Number: 110 Registered: 6-2003 |
NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY,NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY, NO WAY | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1453 Registered: 1-2002 |
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| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1452 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>Didn't Senna (that is your chat name) drive a Honda to beat Ferrari in F1?<< Yah, he drove mclaren/honda, and lead mclaren to some it's most dominant seasons in F1. The mp4-4 thru mp4-7 were all honda powered, then the mp4-8 was ford powered. He also, coincidentally, did the chassis development on the nsx. senna   | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 857 Registered: 10-2001 |
Didn't Senna (that is your chat name) drive a Honda to beat Ferrari in F1? Did you see what Toyota did today to the best F1 driver? Gee what will toyota do by year 3? The Japanese seem to be able to jump into F1 and kick ass very fast. How long did it take Honda to Dominate? | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 140 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan, I usually get a good laugh with your posts here but you blew it on the F1 thing. Chevy had a hard enough time this year in IRL, they had to buy the Ford Cosworth Engine and rebadge it a Chevy to be competitive. Lamborghini ran without much success in F1 in the late 80's early 90's. Dodge is owned by Daimler Chrysler already runs in F1 its called the McLaren Mercedes. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 856 Registered: 10-2001 |
NSX just needs some black wheels, like this one. Why did the NSXr post same times as 360 and Lambo at Nurburgring ?  | ||
| billy zissis (89tr)
Member Username: 89tr Post Number: 292 Registered: 4-2001 |
I have an NSX and it is no way near the same league as the 355. It's a nice car but it does not compare in any way to a 355. I kind of like its looks but it needs more power. I am just not willing to spend to $10,000 for a supercharger when the car is only worth $20,000. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1450 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>Has anyone ever thought of the fact here that maybe the reason Ferrari wins F1 is because manufacturers such as Lamborghini, or even Chevy and Dodge, dont compete?<< I guess Toyota, BMW, Renault, Mercedes (daimler/CHRYSLER), Honda, Ford/Cosworth, Jag (Ford) are all featherweights in the industry? (Didn't some guy named Henry have something to do with cars ??) Anyway, here are some times (w/ distances listed): 20,832 km 8,09 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo SV 520 ps. 20,600 km 8,04 = 153 km/h Lamborghini Diablo GT, Sport Auto 2000. 20,600 km 8,05 = 153 km/h 2002 Ferrari 575 Maranello, Sport Auto 2002. 20,600 km 8,07 = 152 km/h Ferrari 550 Maranello, Sport Auto 1998/1999. 20,600 km 8,09 = 152 km/h Ferrari 360, Sport Auto 2000. 20,832 km 8,13 = 152 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps. 20,600 km 8,18 = 149 km/h Ferrari F355 380 ps, Sport Auto. but, the king stil is: 20,600 km 7,46 = 160 km/h 2001 Porsche 996 GT2, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2001. 20,832 km 7,47 = 160 km/h 2001 Porsche 996 GT2, Walther R�hrl, 2000. And, who the hell needs F1? Apparantly the entire world, as it's the most watched sport in the world today. And about the nsx v. the 360. No, the nsx is not more exotic than the 360, and it never will be, but anyone would be ignorant not to admit that the 360 , and the 355 for that matter, wouldn't be as good/bad (depending on your opinion) as they are if it weren't for the revolution that the nsx caused in the upper echelon of sports cars (even gordan murray used his personal nsx as a benchmark when designing the F1). | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1055 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes your right Ernesto, the Murci ran the short track also, but ran what 13 seconds faster than the almighty 575M and 17 seconds faster than the 360? As for the Sv, since we're talking tenths of a second, yes the difference in track makes a difference, considering you like comparing an older Diablo with small brakes and less hp. So being the DIablo is the underdog in this situation, since its power cant really be used, and its size and weight is hindrance, it still spanks your F1 inspired girlie car. So if the Lambo is faster in a straight line, can turn in better lap times as witnessed by the Nurburgring times, looks better.... who the hell needs F1? Has anyone ever thought of the fact here that maybe the reason Ferrari wins F1 is because manufacturers such as Lamborghini, or even Chevy and Dodge, dont compete? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1749 Registered: 2-2001 |
You should be the one Allan, A 360M posting the same time as the almighty Diablo SV - on a track that is about 0.13 miles shorter! There is your big difference in track length - about a tenth of a mile! and a little 360 posts the same time... Very embarassing! (Was that with or without NOS?) Happy now? LOL Ernesto By the way, the Murci also ran on the "short track" | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1054 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, shouldnt you be trying to refute those Nurburgring laptimes? | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1748 Registered: 2-2001 |
Finally Allan makes some sense without insulting people! Ernesto | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 139 Registered: 9-2002 |
That Effer guy needs to put down the Crack Pipe. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1053 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes you are right. They even show a copy of a video tape from Car and Driver saying the Nsx is an exotic. I have that tape, its like 13 years old. | ||
| A.Tonokaboni (Senna1994)
Junior Member Username: Senna1994 Post Number: 138 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan, I had an NSX for 5 years before my 355, it was an excellent car. But no where did it give me a thrill of a Ferrari. They are reliable and excellent daily drivers, but they are getting a bit long in the tooth. Honda did a terrific job on new technology but that was 14 years ago. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Intermediate Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 1051 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lol, funny how people try to convince themselves. Ive had 2 Nsx's and they are indeed fine cars. They are reliable, but when they do break, are expensive to fix. They should be reliable though, as they are damn slow, so nothing to stress. Myself, id have to rate the Nsx as the last car on the scale right before you hit 300Zx's and Supras. Every Lambo,Porsche,Ferrari,Lotus etc ranks higher. I used to fight with those guys when i had my Nsx about the fact that i had stated that a Ferrari 308/328 and 348 was more fun to drive. I especially liked the guy Effers comments about the Diablo, how the Nsx wins hands down in the most "looks" department. Ive also seen him post saying that the Diablo 6.0, one of the fastest Diablos, having been tested by Car and Driver, Road and Track and Motor Trend with a 0-100mph time of close to 8 seconds flat , was only slightly faster than a early Nsx. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 855 Registered: 10-2001 |
All you can say now, since Honda never upgraded 290hp, is that the NSX showed the way for Ferrari to use more advanced aluminium technology when it was time to design the 360. | ||
| Thomas I (Wax)
Member Username: Wax Post Number: 407 Registered: 7-2003 |
From sportscarmarket (pdf): ACURA Model_______________________Yr.___Qty. Tier NSX Coupe __________________91-96 n/a _D (Deduct 15% for automatic, add 5% for T-top.) FERRARI 360 Modena _________________99- 104 ___B 360 Modena Spyder (US cars) 99- n/a ___B 360 Modena Challenge _______99- n/a ___B B Tier: Cars that have something about them, often technical innovation, style or competition provenance�but normally not all three. They were generally produced in far larger numbers than the A-tier cars. Examples are the Austin-Healey 100/4, the Ferrari 512 BB Boxer and the Lotus 7. D Tier: Cars that had the potential to be interesting but failed to be suc-cessful in the collector car marketplace, often due to design, engineering or styling fl aws. Examples include the Ferrari 400 2+2, the Acura NSX and the Alfa 2600 Sprint. "Would you trade in your F360 for a NSX?" If I had one? No, I would not trade it. I don't think anybody would. | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
Junior Member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2003 |
Quote: --------------------------- I dont even like parking next to one because it shows the difference. --------------------------- LOL, LC pulls into the parking lot, "Ewwwww, look at that awful NSX, I'm parking way over here away from that thing" | ||
| Mister Jones (Davey_jones)
Junior Member Username: Davey_jones Post Number: 143 Registered: 9-2002 |
If I had a 360....NO definately not. No way. They are not the same and cannot be compared. | ||
| LC (150shot)
New member Username: 150shot Post Number: 49 Registered: 6-2003 |
I've seen this post too, I dont think they are in the same leuage at all. As nice as the NSX is, it cant compare to a 360. I dont even like parking next to one because it shows the difference. Maybe close to a 348 or 355 when they are all modded up with rims and so on. | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
Junior Member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2003 |
The NSX devalued quicker than it took the US military to reach Bagdad from the beachhead. The NSX is a nice Japanese supercar, but its no Ferrari. Soon, everybody including rice kids will be driving the NSX. If you(rhetorical) feel the NSX is all that.... each to their own. | ||
| Topdaytrader (Topdaytrader)
New member Username: Topdaytrader Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2002 |
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=23252 Would you trade in your F360 for a NSX? |