| Author | Message | ||
| Marc Hartog (Hedge)
Junior Member Username: Hedge Post Number: 94 Registered: 6-2003 |
Thanks to all who posted info. on the http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/319264.html?1064512937 thread titled 'Zymol', related to this topic. After much debate, I went for the One Grand Blitx polish followed by the wax, and spent 6 hours! today detailing my 328 GTS. Wash/chamois/polish/wax/interior/leather treatment/tyre treatment/posing. I used Zymol wax aplicators, sponge and towels to buff. Enjoyed doing it and I am astounded by the finish..looks like a new car. Typical english weather though - started pissing with rauin about 2 minutes after I wiped the last of the wax off the bonnet. Oh well! | ||
| DONALD GRIESDALE (Griesdale)
Junior Member Username: Griesdale Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2001 |
I last washed and waxed my TR 2 years ago with Dawn soap then Griots products. Since then, I keep the car covered in the garage during the week and use it on week-ends. Before and after use, I dust lightly with a California Duster then go over the car with McGuires or Griot's Quik Detailer. Works for me and only marks on the car are some superficial marks on front hood in front of nose F-badge due to flapping of Speedlingerie Bra which I've stopped using. Warning- don't use Connolly Hide Food on the smooth leather seats in a TR!!- the black color will come off on the cloth. I use AutoGlym leather cream- perfect. Hint: use some WD 40 applied sparingly with a rag to the black metal bits under the engine cover- cleans, shines and protects. | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
Junior Member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 82 Registered: 6-2002 |
Frank, Your car looks awesome! The best thing for my Ferrari would be a new paint job. It's a "20-footer" from 20 feet she looks brand new, get up close and you can see some orange peel, chips and a couple of rust bubbles. | ||
| Bill Gomez (Bgomez)
New member Username: Bgomez Post Number: 26 Registered: 2-2003 |
Scott, I have used zaino on my TT and then topped it with 21S and really liked the result. It seemed to give it more depth and warmth not just shine. I have tried zaino and klasse and personally prefer zaino. With zaino it is especially important to properly prep the car because if you seal over any imperfections with zaino it can be very diffcult to get off. Rubbing alcohol does effectively remove Zaino but it's a pain. Lucas, I have effectively removed water/mineral deposits from the paint by using vinegar. I tried my favorite paint cleaners,P21S and Pinnacle to no avail but the vinegar did the trick. No one here has mentioned it, but by far the best thing for drying that I have ever tried is the Big Blue Drying Towel from www.properautocare.com Bill | ||
| Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member Username: Qferrari Post Number: 456 Registered: 2-2002 |
Bruce, you need more than coffee, my friend! | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Intermediate Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 1141 Registered: 4-2002 |
A month is on the SHORT side. The distilates in paint continue to evaporate and the surface continues to dry and harden for about 6 months.* However, at 1 month the paint is hard enough that wax will not cause massive (tiny) scratches. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3106 Registered: 4-2002 |
VERY SIMPLE...WHEN A CAR IS FRESHLY PAINTED, YOU DONT WANT TO WAX, POLISH , OR BUFF FOR A WHILE..LET IT SET, UNLESS I READ YOUR POST WRONG... LET ME HAVE ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE AND REVALUATE YOUR POST REGARDS, BRUCE | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1588 Registered: 1-2003 |
Bruce.....A Month?? Are your serial? The hardeners in paints will allow you to wax, buff, spit on, whatever, in a day! That is why a paint person can cut a fresh paint job 24 hours after the surface is shot. Please explain your 'about a month' rule. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3104 Registered: 4-2002 |
LUCAS USE NOTHING...LET IT SITHER AND DRY FOR ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING...MAYBE A LITTLE WATER BUT THATS IT... | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 407 Registered: 12-2002 |
also...what can I use on a freshly painted surface? | ||
| PeterS (Peters)
Intermediate Member Username: Peters Post Number: 1586 Registered: 1-2003 |
Lucas....Though there is excellent tips listed here, NOBODY mentioned the fact that when you use a buffer, one should put masking tape on ALL edges, i.e.: where the edge of the hood meets the quarter panel, etc. This will make sure that the buffer does not 'burn' any metal edge. After the wax is completed, take off the tape and do the taped areas by hand. Also, the 3M product Perfect-it III is AWESOME! You can buy it at a good auto body paint supply store. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 406 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good lord. T hanks guys, but I'm going to need a few hours to boil this all down, then I'll be back with questions.  In the meantime, have any of you had experience with Einszett? It was recommended to me on another forum. I was also recommended S100 there too, so I think I'll try to incorporate that into what ever regimen I come up with out of all this. Whoa.. Thanks! Luke. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Advanced Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 3031 Registered: 9-2001 |
I use Klasse and have been very happy with it. | ||
| Morrie Richfield (Carnut)
Junior Member Username: Carnut Post Number: 79 Registered: 11-2002 |
Erik: Thanks, my 04 spider will be coming in sometime in Nov. This time I went with Black, going to alot harder to keep clean. I am counting the days, but the Maserati coupe is helping keep me sane. | ||
| Marc Hartog (Hedge)
Junior Member Username: Hedge Post Number: 89 Registered: 6-2003 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/319264.html?1064512937 Recent thread about this topic.. | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3100 Registered: 4-2002 |
THANKS FRANK...YEA. YOUR RIGHT...SHES A MESS " A BAD DAY FISHING IN A BOAT IS STILL BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY AT WORK" ENJOY YOUR DAY!!! BRUCE | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 364 Registered: 11-2002 |
BTW - And she's dirty here.....  | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 363 Registered: 11-2002 |
HI BRUCIE! YEAH I LIVE 3M HAND GLAZE ALSO. HUGHE FAN OF IT. BUT - HERE'S THE SKINNY... IT USES "FILLERS" WHICH MEANS THAT IT "HIDES" THE MICRO SCRATCHS LIKE SWIRL MARKS. AFTER A FEW WASHES THE FILLERS WASH OUT....AND THE SCRATCH RE-APPEARS! THE ONLY WAY TO GET SWIRLS OUT IS TO BUFF THEM OUT, THEN USE HAND GLAZE FOR THE KILLER LOOK. ACTUALLY, I USE P21S ON TOP OF THE 3M HAND GLAZE. ZYMOL IS GOOD TOO, BUT OVER PRICED. I EVEN HAVE THEIR VINTAGE WHICH COSTS $1400 OR SOMETHING  GOT IT FOR A GIFT. TRY P21S AND IT WILL KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF AND ONLY COSTS ABOUT $20. THEY MAKE AN IDENTICAL PRODUCT CALLED S100, SAME PRODUCT EXACTLY MARKETED FOR MOTORCYCLES, THAT YOU CAN BUY AS MOST HARLEY DEALERS... GOTTA GO...JUST GOT A NEW BOAT AND GOING TO TRY TO GET HER WET TODAY | ||
| Bruce Wellington (Bws88tr)
Advanced Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 3098 Registered: 4-2002 |
HI FRANK I USE THE 3M IMPERIAL HAND GLAZE...ITS GREAT..IT TAKES OUT SWIRLS AS WELL AS WATER SPOTS...NO ORBITAL NEEDED THEN I USE THE ZYMOL ITALIA..JUST LITTLE AMOUNTS,HAND BUFF, AND BUFF AGAIN 2 HOURS LATER..IT WORKS GREAT.... MY .03 CENTS | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 361 Registered: 11-2002 |
Vinegar and water should work. Usually those spots are caused by either hard water or acid rain. If not, you need a mild polish. The difference between compounds, polishes and glazes is the amount of cleaning power, or cut, the product has. I use professional body shop poducts. But you can use something like Meguiar Dual Action Cleaning Polish, 3M Perfect-It...available at most auto stores. The trick is you really need to "work" these products in. The best way to use these products, and to remove swirl marks, is to get a buffer. Most guys use a porter cable random orbital, which will not burn the paint. They cost about $120 and you will get a lifetime of use from it. Yelcab1 - Klasse is great stuff...but you must apply it so thin that you almost can't see it. Otherwise it will haze and be difficult to buff out. Also fan of P21s..espcially as a topper for whatever I have underneath. Zaino - no product war, but I don't care for it. Plenty of shine and brillance, but lacks that deep 3D glow of a carnauba... My $.02 | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 945 Registered: 2-2003 |
Lucas, the body scrub or compounding might be the only way to get it off. If I have a car and want to do it right the first time, here is what I do. To maintain the look, I wipe down every other day, wash once every 2-4 weeks as needed, and reapply a layer of wax/synthetic, whichever you use. Use nothing but ultra fine microfiber cloths and perfectly clean/new terry applicators/rags. Use microfibers for washing, drying, and removing wax. Use applicator pads for applying wax. Use terry applicators for compounding, applying Zaino or glaze, and terry cloths for removing Zaino or a glaze. A trick to using Zaino is use a syringe (thank you to a friend for that tip), and a trick to applying Zaino, a glaze, or a wax is have a slightly damp applicator. First timers: Wash and dry Strip the waxes and synthetics off Clay the finish Wash and dry Compound to remove swirls and imperfections Wash and dry compounded areas Apply glaze, remove residue, apply wax, remove residue *or* Apply Zaino mixed w/h ZFX cure additive, remove, use gloss enhancer detail spray to remove remaining residue and in between coats To maintain the finish: Cover by day/night Wipe down every 1-2 days with a quick detailer and a microfiber (if using Zaino, use the gloss enhancer) Wash once every 2-4 weeks as needed, dry, reapply a layer of Zaino or wax My finish is metallic black and smooth enough to make glass feel like sandpaper and the guy who stole the F50 from Algar look like an amateur. I get ridiculed for how obsessive I am. Its 7 years old with 91k miles, no paint fade with a few hairline swirls and people continually ask me, is it new? Did you have it repainted? The glossy glow it has brings a smile to my face coming and going without fail. Now, if I can only keep people from dinging my doors... disrespectful LA trash. If your in the So Cal area and want to see results first hand, or need a hand detailing, let me know. I use P21S, Pinnacle Souveran, and Zaino exclusively. Omega or Meguiar's glaze, 3M rubbing compounds, Pinnacle/Mother's Clay Bars, and Viper microfiber towels. I'm a very satisfied customer of these three places: www.properautocare.com (waxes, polishes, TIPS, tools, accessories) www.zainostore.com (Zaino, of course!) www.gurureports.org (the famous wax test that turned me on to P21S, Pinnacle Souveran, and Zaino) | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 688 Registered: 11-2001 |
I used Klasse on my car once, snake oil I thought. Threw the whole thing away. Using Zymol now, and it works but it does not last long. | ||
| Scott A. B. Collins (Scott)
Junior Member Username: Scott Post Number: 217 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anyone have any thoughts on Klasse? The distilled buzz from the BMW boards is that it is almost (and I stress almost) as good as Zaino, but quicker to use. Also, has anyone who uses Zaino (or any other polymer/acrylic) tried layering an organic wax over the top? | ||
| Greg Derian (Greg_derian)
New member Username: Greg_derian Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2003 |
Luke, I had a similar situation once. My suggestion is to take the car to a quality detailer. They will use a power buffer to remove the waterspots. It will cost you about $250. but its worth it, especially on a black car. You don't want swirl marks etc. and you also dont want to simply cover up or fade out the water spots. | ||
| Kendall Kim (Kenny)
Member Username: Kenny Post Number: 546 Registered: 9-2001 |
I second Johnny's opinion, Zaino is the best product I've ever used... The Z2 is a remarkable product that takes much less effort to remove, and does not leave a residue the way carnauba waxes do... I have used P21S before, it's a good product, but as all carnuaba waxes, the shine does not last long, and it's a pain to remove the wax film on the entire car... | ||
| Johnny Bravo (Ben) (Johnny_bravo)
Junior Member Username: Johnny_bravo Post Number: 89 Registered: 7-2003 |
Over the years I've become a HUGE fan of Zaino (www.zainobros.com) products although they're only available via mail/internet order and are a little bit more expensive than average I suppose. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, shape, or form, but like Morrie I'm a stickler for a clean car. I found the best way to get rid of water spots is to first wash the car with Dawn liquid dish soap as it has a higher alkaline content and really cuts through all the dirt, old wax/polish, and other crap on the paint. Then I use Meguiar's California Gold clay bar package thingy that really gets the paint super smooth and clean, but it'll really give your arms a workout Then I personally just follow the recommended procedure for the Zaino products and usually put anywhere from 5-10 coats of Z2 and Z5. My last car (RX-7 TT) was black and would spot up and get spider webs and swirls like crazy until I switched from Meguiars to Zaino and current car (GVR-4) is dark green and was in horrendous shape when I got it and it toatally transformed it. The only problems I've experienced are the time involved in letting the coats dry in cooler weather (in the heat & direct sunlight it dries super fast and is recommended) and since it'll really really shine after a few coats any imperfections, dents, scratches, and dings will show up pretty easy. Just my $.02 cents though. Oh, and I find 100% pure cotton towels are the best for drying the car too as they are typically softer than syth. blends and whatnot. | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hubert- FYI, when you run out of P21S, go to a harley dealer and get teh S100 line. Same exact stuff, only marketed for motorcycles, but the wax is cheaper (~$15 vs. $25 for wax). S100/P21S is great stuff. Another easy on-easy off product. Dom | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 344 Registered: 2-2003 |
Morrie I was at Algar yesturday and saw your red 360 F1. That is a sharp looking car. They put it right in the middle of the showroom as you walk in. The main showroom. What will be your next fcar? Luke Morrie's procedure is def. a good one. Erik | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Intermediate Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 1485 Registered: 1-2002 |
I just started using the p21s product line. You can get a "detail kit" from aj-usa.com and it's ~$50. For that, you get: cleaner wax (lq.), polishing wax (paste), conditioning shampoo, wheel cleaner and one pkg of window cleaner "towlette." Their cleaner wax goes on, and comes off, much easier than the zymol counter part, but their polish is a little more "robust" to remove (not as easy to come off as the meguiars gold class, for example), but overall the shine is very deep, glossy and smooth. What I didn't like about zymol is that the tactile "smoothness" of the paint didn't last past a week (even if I washed with a non-abrasive/non-detergent based shampoo for the car). So far, and it's been a week, the p21s has held up nicely. Just be sure to wash your car with dishsoap (i.e., DAWN) prior to starting a new wax/product "regiment" to get any laden product off (or so I'm told for "best results"). Lastly, and this is new to me, you don't apply the wax in a circular motion, but in a back and forth (in the direction of the airflow) in order to alleviate the possibility of working more swirl marks into your car. Wow. I'm a geek. | ||
| Tom RM (Tgitom)
Junior Member Username: Tgitom Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2002 |
If you really want the spots out and the spider web look on black or any color, definitly get a good polish and a good buffer. You will be very happy, just be careful to not cause any burn marks. Always keep the buffer flat. | ||
| Mark (Markg)
Member Username: Markg Post Number: 616 Registered: 2-2001 |
Someone here mentioned a while back a 3M product Perfect-it III; works quite well as does Zymol cleaner wax | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
Member Username: Dom Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2002 |
As far as water spots, I believe that a 50/50 vinegar and water solution should remove them. Check out www.autopia.org for more info. Easy to follow procedure that won't take a whole day (This is assuming your paint is in decent condition). Go to pepboys/kragen/autozone, etc., and pick up a bottle of Mother's Reflections. This will look good, last a while, and is easy to wipe on and off. It does cover up some minor swirls, etc. No need to spend money on a buffer, etc. If you've been using Meguiars and Zymol, and don't have any problems, they are decent products, so why change? If the paint could use a little work, both Meguiars and Mother's make a 3 step combo that you can use to help the finish. Hope this helps. Dom | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 1473 Registered: 9-2002 |
Orbitals will make life MUCH, MUCH easier. It's not to say that you can't burn the paint, but it's a lot harder than with a circular. --Dan | ||
| Morrie Richfield (Carnut)
Junior Member Username: Carnut Post Number: 78 Registered: 11-2002 |
My pet peeve is a clean car, my dealer always jokes they want to hire me to detail their cars. I have to tell you in my experience, there is not easy fast way with Black. I use Griots garage, their stuff works very well a they have a step by step book that really helps. first I use a spray that takes of all the wax that is on the car, then clay bar, then I use polish, wax, polish, I use a orbital waxer (one of those that wont burn the paint), but you can do it by hand. The car will look great and the marks will be gone. | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
Member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 404 Registered: 12-2002 |
I'm looking for an easy to follow detail procedure that won't take me the whole damn day. :-) I'm also looking for some product recommendations -- I've been using Meguiar's and Zymol (wax) for the price and ease of purchase. Also, my BLACK car has horrendous water spots that won't come off. I've tried a clay bar and Meguiar's Scratch X and have just ordered some Meguiar's Clear Cost Body Scrub because I used to use it on my last car and was very impressed. Any other tips? Thanks men! Luke. |