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Argyle Co (Argyleco)
| Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 10:58 am: | |
Frank, I almost bought that car that Beau Pirkle had, he sold it to a gentleman out in Atlanta. I inquired about the car, but the gentleman told me it was his uncle's car and that his uncle gave it to him. I found out later on that the car belong to Beau, so I contacted him and found out the truth. I did not buy the car because of the story that the current owner told me. But from pictures and talking to the mechanic and Beau, it sound like it was a good car, BTW it was an 1987. From my understanding the original owner wrecked the front bumper, radiator and spoiler, Beau bought it and he did win the Platinum Award and Coppo Machina Award at the 1999 Ferrari Nationals in Atlanta with it. |
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
| Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 9:33 am: | |
Alberto, my advise would be to plan on spending $6K - $7K fixing things, doing the 15K service, replacing belts, repacking bearings, replace all fluids, etc. Take that amount off of the $42K price and I think you are there. Find the dealership where the car has been serviced and they may be able to duplicate the records. Once it is in your hands, document everything. At the very least, have an independant experienced Ferrari technician look the car over from bow to stern. Good luck. |
Dave L (Davel)
| Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 9:26 pm: | |
I think an offer of under 40k is fair given the history and lack of verifiable maint records. Plus this is a down market and 328's are not rare cars at all. Keep this in mind and negotiate and keep looking. Good luck |
Alberto (Aabreu)
| Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 7:48 pm: | |
Greg: I agree with you 100%, but if the price is right, I might be willing to overlook it. If not, then it's thanks, but no thanks. I have walked away from many otherwise good cars because of their lack of records. That, in fact has been the main reason I have been looking for so long now and have passed on so many cars. I have been very suprised at how few cars have all records, perhaps 1 out of about 8 or 9. Let's see what happends, Seller's at $42,500 right now, which I think is too much for this car with minimal records/damage history, needing 15k service + belts. I think he needs to be at $38k. We'll see how hungry he is to sell. |
Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
| Posted on Monday, November 12, 2001 - 7:30 am: | |
I agree with the other respondents that if the repairs were made to the necessary standards by a reputable facility, then that part of the car should be no problem. The repair facility should have all of the paperwork in their files, you should be able to get a copy of it. As far as not having records for any of the mechanical history of the car, that is where I get nervous. When I was looking for a 308, if the owner didn't have a complete set of records for all repairs and maintenance, it was "thanks but no thanks". I'm a stickler for having all the cars' records. Just my opinion. |
Daniel B Reese MD (Dbr328gtb)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 6:47 pm: | |
If it was well repaired with no structural damage and is indeed in excellent condition but no proof of recent major service, I'd say its worth approx $40K but no more. Excellent '86s with all service records sell for mid $40s. I agree there should not be a terrible penalty for prior cosmetic damage that was well fixed. |
david schirmer (David)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 6:14 pm: | |
Edward G. that is a good point. I was at a very nice garage tour this weekend where we saw a variety of fine older racing Ferraris. The owner gave a brief talk about each car. He would occasionally mention that a particular car had been wrecked, rolled, whatever and then rebuilt. This wasn't perceived as being a big deal. And it definitely hadn't hurt the value of these cars I can assure you. |
Edward Gault (Irfgt)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 3:34 pm: | |
There are probably a whole bunch of the cars that we now own that have been repaired and we are not aware of. If the repair was made OK then I do not see any big deal. There are millions of cars on the road that have been repaired and too much is being made over a few dents. That's why we have body shops. |
Alberto (Aabreu)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 2:48 pm: | |
Car has clear title, according to owner. Repairs were supposedly done in accordance with or exceeding Ferrari standards (for example, spot welds match Ferrari welds, etc.), and all damage is characterized as cosmetic. Work was done by Special Effects in New Mexico; they claim to work on Ferraris, Aston Martins, etc., although I wonder how many of those there are in New Mexico that need to be worked on. |
Patrick S. Perry (Psp1)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 2:21 pm: | |
Clear title or Salvage title? |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 7:33 am: | |
It depends on who performed the repairs. A Ferrari paint and body friend of mine, Beau Pirkle, bought a 1988 328GTS that was badly wrecked by the original owner. He completely rebuilt the car to better than factory standards. In fact, he won the Platinum Award and Coppo Machina Award at the 1999 Ferrari Nationals in Atlanta with it. |
1989 328 GTS (Vilamoura2002)
| Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 1:04 am: | |
A car involved in an accident? My oppinion : Stay away! You'll never know the whole story, just the better chapter! |
Alberto (Aabreu)
| Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2001 - 11:31 pm: | |
1986 328 GTS, red/tan, 20,000 miles. Car was entirely repainted original color as a result of an accident. Current owner says he bought the car with the damage done, and had it repaired. Damage to passenger side, door skin replaced with new skin, some metal work to rear panel next to door, front fender/bumper needed no work, repaired dented hood (usual damage resulting from forcing hood againts strut), new windshield, new pasenger side rear view mirror, all damage represented as only superficial damage, has pictures which I have not yet seen. Repairs done by and entire car repainted by reputable outfit, whom I spoke with, and they confirm owner's story. Sold by 4th owner, minimal records, all tools/books, new tires, supposed 15k service with belts in 1998 (no records of it). I have not yet seen the car, but it is being represented as in excellent condition cosmetically and mechanically. Assuming car is physically as represented (I am assuming 15K was not done, since no records of it exist), what is this car worth, given that it has a "story"?, Or, should I stay away no matter what the price? Thanks for your input. |
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