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| david schirmer (David)
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I would love to see a comment from our friend who owned the unfortunate black Mondial, regarding wives and letting other people drive your Ferraris. I would imagine at this point he probably would advise against both! Anti Flame Note: No harm is intended by the above comment, I just think his experience is worth observing. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Hey Willis, I'd gladly swap my GT4 for your 360, hehehe. That is, if I ever make it back down to Seattle.... (sorry Stu for not showing up for the Shirley Tour). | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Willis, Mercenary chicks LOL  Ive known a few of those | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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One of the risks of sharing Ferraris is wear and tear. Each car have unique quirks and take a bit of practice to get the car to run right. I don't think an owner would appreciate a borrower to practice on his car until the guy get the routine right. The situation would be somewhat different if the borrower owns the same model car. Still, I'm not comfortable with the idea. Stu, getting "set up" by friends would work if they understood my needs and respected my ideas. My experience was that friends and family have a tendency to set me up with who THEY wanted me to be with. It would make THEM happy but what about little ol' me? Most of them don't understand why I'm into Ferraris and never accounted for it as a factor (at the very least, they should have asked the girl if she liked cars). | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
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Willis, Hang in there man - I was single a long time, dated a lot of girls and was even married once, but met my current wife through a "set-up" with a friend at work. She's not really a Ferrari nut, but she appreciates my obsession and, more importantly, she puts up with me! You just never know! I love being able to share my passion for cars in general (especially the Ferrari) with my wife. Back to the subject - I think car sharing is a bad idea and I wouldn't participate. Sorry, not to be snobish, but there's just way too much risk in the idea. Never hurts to ask though. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Peter, You think the nagging is bad at your age. I've been getting that for nearly 10 years. I've told my friends and family to stop trying to set me up with some "nice girl". The last time they did that, the girl turned out kinda psycho. Friends and family could only guess what you like in a girl and think who is "good for you". But they are wrong most of the time (in my case, all the time). | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I have friends and family who keep nagging me to get married. I feel no urge or desire to. I'll leave it up to fate to meet the right woman, if it happens, it happens. Right now, its just me and the Ferrari... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Today i saw some guy and his wife pick up a brand new 550 brachetta. They seemed happily married. )i know this is quite off topic, but i just got home and im not in my normal state, btw, ignore everyting i say.) | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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You know guys, None of our situations with our wives or girlfriends can be stereo-typed. It is how it is at this time in our lives. It is wonderful to have that love and trust between each other then suddenly, God Forbid, the trauma comes into our lives and it is a heartbreaking experience. The trauma of one partner becoming dissatisfied with the relationship. Hopefully it will always be the other way with those of us who are very happy and secure, but it can happen and does happen least when one suspects. There are no guarantees of a lasting relationship between a man and a woman. The only thing we can do is keep trying to keep it together and hope it lasts. Good Luck. | ||
| Peter Boray (Gts308qv)
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Willis ! This was probably an open statement to be interpreted any way you feel fit. After reading all the comments on this post, we have seen some real extremes of opinion. Yes, I have found the right girl who actually encouraged and convinced me to buy my first Ferrari. She loves the Ferrari as much as I do. She was a rare find and it took me two marriages to find the right person who appreciates who I am and supports me in my motor cars and any other hobbies that give me enjoyment in life. My comment was just a spur for you to keep looking till you find the sort of genuine partner/friendship as I have. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Peter Boray, "Keep on moving" geographically speaking? Or "keep on moving" from girl to girl? My Ferrari is not a negotiable item. It ,or its replacement(s), stays. If my Ferrari hobby becomes an issue in a relationship, then the girl is not the right one. | ||
| Peter Boray (Gts308qv)
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Willis, just keep on moving..... and stick to your Ferrari ! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I don't hate women. I just don't like what they do to men when they're on a power trip. I also don't like the fact they play stupid mind games, lead you on and leave you hanging. If I ever find an honest straight-shootin' girl, I'd marry her in a second. Unfortunately, there aren't any in the Seattle area. Perhaps I should move to the Mid-West... Sorry for the non-Ferrari talk but this is a hot button issue for me. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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Hey, easy fellas, I actually like my wife. Maybe it's just our midwestern values, but several members of my Ferrari club have wives who drive their own Ferraris. The wife of our club President has been to Skip Barber racing school and leaves many of the fellas in her dust. I think you guys have watched too many "Our Gang" reruns. Just because Spanky had the "He Man Women Haters Club" you guys didn't have to join. Of course, if my wife ever leaves me I'm sure she will become a scum sucking @#$*. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I think William has the right idea. Marriages are so temporary in this society anyway. So why leave the fate of our hard-earned assets, especially our Ferraris, to the whims of women? Girls are such rabid mercenaries these days too. | ||
| Scott Anderson (Srandrsn)
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Right on William! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Stephen, even better, dont get married, dont buy her a ferrari, save that $ & buy yourself another ferrari | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
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The secret to marital bliss... Buy your wife her own Ferrari. Now, before you get all worked up, hear me out. Many of us have kids and need more than 2 seats at Ferrari events. (No 2+2's in my future). If your wife has her own Ferrari, she will not give you nearly as much hell about how much your Ferrari habit costs. This includes ebay purchases like all those neat signs and flags hanging in the garage and Formula One Team Shirts, not to mention the cars themselves. Also, as most of you know, it is not unusual for a Ferrari to need occasional attention by your mechanic. Never Fear! Just try saying, "Honey, can I borrow your Ferrari?" They love this. If you get divorced, you will likely get screwed on the toys, so go ahead and title one of the Ferraris in your wife's name. They really love this. Bottom line is this: Give her one and you'll get two. Plus, she will love you forever for being such a thoughtful husband. P.S. I realize this has very little to do with the original thread, but it's better than a message about Homer Simpson's toothbrush. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I gotta say I'm with the kid on the Simpsons. The Simpsons is a comedy written by some pretty heavy hitters, all like Ivy League grads (Harvard is the most common) so there is a lot of wit to the jokes. Another comedy that I find very good is Everybody Loves Raymond, I dont know why, it's just funny. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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WHAT?!?! the simpsons is the best program on TV, with the family guy in close second. The humor on both of those shows is so witty. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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The Simpsons are over my head, I like Southpark. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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that was from the simpsons when homer and marge were having a dinner party and marge saw a punch bowl she liked, but it was really expensive. So she suggests to homer that they could just use it once then return it and homer said "come on marge, this isnt a toothbrush were talking about here!" | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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You forgot already? Toothbrushes are for Emblem wax. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Anyway, now that we're back to the original conversation, you cant do that with a ferrari, come on, this isnt a toothbrush we are talking about here. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Anyway, now that we're back to the original conversation, you cant so that with a ferrari, come on, this isnt a toothbrush we are talking about here. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Peter, Are you going to the May 2002 event? I think your GT4 should be ready for anything by now. Willis (Single but can write a whole book on dating disasters) | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I'm looking forward to that long trip down to L.A. for the FCA meet. Do you think my GT4 will make it 2600 miles? Single and happy -Peter | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Back to the topic. Wouldn't be better to just drive your Ferrari to where you're going? Exotic car rental fees are outrageously expensive. Swapping cars just make me worrry about the car more. I think taking a long trip in your own Ferrari and see the country is the best way to do it. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Charles, I'd say finding a woman "you can't live without" is a rather romantic notion but it's probably the worse thing you could do. You may not be able to live without her but she probably CAN live without you. There's nothing like a one-sided relationship to ruin you life. Believe me, I've been there. | ||
| Charles Byrd (Vogel)
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Guys, I'm still fairly young 28, but I've been married for over 6 years, and with the same woman for 10. All I can say is that if you plan to get married, find the one woman that you can't live without, not one that you could live with. Also, it helps when you go to look at a ferrari, she comes with you, and talks the guy down almost 20 percent for you. How's that for the perfect woman? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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NEVER EVER mention Ferrari on the first date (or even on the second, if it get that far). I also don't wear expensive watches, gold chains, or designer clothes (gold-digger bait). In fact, I blend in with the crowd so well that I get ignored all the time (when not driving the F-car). | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Interesting. Some have great some had bad. Here is your 50/50 split. 50% divorce rate. To me it boils down finding the right partner. Best is you do not pick her up in your Ferrari for the first date but in a junker. Do not say what you are doing for a living and if you are successful. I love to do that when I go out. Flirting and then comes the question: What do you do for a living?. I am everyting: * Bartender * Sanitation Worker * Fisherman * Auto Mechanic at Citgo Gas Station (nothing personal Edward) * currently unemployed. * sell long distance over the phone. If her demeaner does not change you have a possible winner. | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
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William, The 512tr, now she is gorgeous and never talks back. Should be interesting when you "romance" her, if you know what I mean. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Bob i think I'm gonna get married is what i think about that. Can u find some1 to marry me to my 512TR, I really love her | ||
| bob behner (Ferrari4bob)
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Here's one for the books. I know this guy he has I mean had mint fully restore ferrari daytona 365 gtb. That was his baby .He was married with three great kids but the dark side which he didn't know that his wife was a time bomb she had breakdown of some kind she take off leave eveyone didn't tell no one she be gone for weeks and than she come back like nothing happen.He said that he love her so it didn't matter.Later he told me this just started ,it just came out of the blue.He said that he tried to get her help but she said that nothing was wrong with her.What can you do. So one day she got this wild hair up her ass and called the cops and she told them that her husband hit her and of corse with law is the way it is now they arrested him.Now this is the best part while he was in jail she called a tow service to come and get is FERRARI and she disapeared with the car. What do you think about that.TO BE COUNTINUE. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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There's nothing equitable about the whole divorce business. It's also too easy to get a divorce. I also don't like the crappy odds of marriages staying together. Some of you guys seem to be happy in your marriages. I think that's great! Being a hardluck case, I would be happy to just settle for a steady girlfriend (one that last longer than 6 months and not flake out on me). I think Seattle's just not a good town to meet the right girl. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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William H. why would any sane person commit to someone they met a month ago? I lived with my current (and only) wife for 6 years before we finally decided to get married. We decided what the heck, we needed to get some matching plates! We didn't get any plates but we sure had a fun wedding and the marriage seems to be working out pretty well too. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Mine's available immediately!! | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
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Obviously I had it backwards to start with. Let's keep the cars in the garage and swap the wives. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I started dating my future wife in the 9th grade and we dated all through High School. We married in June of 1970 and this June it will be 32 years. I do not believe we could live without each other. We are together 24-7 as she also works with me and runs the office. We would never leave each other. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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marraige, u commit your whole economic, psychological, & material holdings to a woman u met 1 month or 1 year ago ? WHY would any sane person do that ? If we r friends would u commit on paper that if we stopped being friends u would give me 1/2 of everything ? I wouldnt & knowing how volatile & everchanging women can b, sounds like a real bad deal\ BTW Martin, I wish u the best of luck & hope this never happens to u | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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So what's a guy gonna do if his sweetie decided one day to screw him over royally? There never seemed to be any happy endings for the man in this issue. For example, 10 years ago, I had a client who was in his late 60s and just divorced when he came to my office to find a place to live. He was a successful business man and had everything. His ex-wife just told him one day that she's bored and wanted a divorce. This was after 40 years of marriage. The guy worked hard all his life to build a business from nothing and provided everything for her and she gave him his walking papers just weeks before his retirement. Things got ugly when she turned everyone against him. In the end, he lost his waterfront home, cars, boat, paintings, and wads of cash. He wind up buying a townhouse from me and his son moved in to take care of him. The guy was in pretty bad shape mentally when I first met him. You could just tell that he was burning up inside with anger but he controlled it pretty well. I just kept thinking to myself that given the same situation and my personality, I would have done something rather unpleasant and newsworthy. | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
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Martin, Was that you?? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Howie; sounds like a plan. You must hear me every once in a while blasting by your building! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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William, that LLC likely will not work. You have to disclose who owns the stock in the LLC. If that is you than she owns half, you are still the president but still with only half a car! An off-shore would work if you do it perfect. Tough though. You would have to explain why the company let you drive the cars and you take care of all of them. A good lawyer will pick that apart as well. My take on that: If you worry about those things too much then your marriage will fail anyway. So don't even try. | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
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Martin, Glad you enjoyed! We gotta get together for a cerveza one of these days. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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to all of you there: I guess I was lucky. When I met my wife we were both broke. Everything that we have today we have both worked for and have both achieved. So if we would ever split I guess she will own a Ferrari 174 and I will have a 174, which I will have to buy back her 174 to make it a 348 again! To all you kids out there.... Your parents are not your fault, nothing you can do about....your inlaws, that is totally in your control. Find a rich chick! Let her worry about the prenup! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Howie; I have never laughed as hard as I just did! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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u can always set up an LLC with yourself as an officer & put all the toys in there. If u get divirced she shouldnt b able to touch it cus it Legally not yours It belongs to the LLC that u r President of | ||
| Howie F. (Brokerofexotics)
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This pretty much sums it up regarding marriage. I think you guys will enjoy this. http://www.gethonest.com/TestButton.html Raise the volume a bit and enjoy! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I guess you do have to be lucky to find anyone. Being a straight-forward kind of guy, I just don't like women who play mind games (know any who don't?). Prenups are a good idea but a lawyer friend said there's alway ways to fight against that. I'm really concerned about this issue. Amicable divorce without losing the Ferrari(s)...Is that even possible? I know many non-Ferrari guys who got taken to the cleaners (lost the house, cars, kids, and tons of money) and it wasn't even their fault. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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LOL that one is great! | ||
| Allyn (Allyn)
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A bad marriage is like a horse with a broken leg. You can shoot it, but that doesn't fix the leg. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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I'm too scared to get married now. I watched my mom and dad, if I ever do I'll definitely be signing a big prenup. It's good to see that there is some hope in marriage though as you guys have made apparent. Sincerely confused Bret | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Congratulations Martin on finding a good one Maybe I'm just too wild, I dont know | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Martin, I know what you're saying. It's this struggle for control that caused me to back off on relationships. I really HATE to be controlled by anyone. | ||
| Becker Cu�llar (Becker)
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Solly You can have YOUR car with no limitations shipped to the place you are going to be and back for less than 5K unless you want it on another continent. Others Carry on with that marriage stuff good info to keep in mind. ;) Cheers | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Jim E, LOL! Ferraris are getting better and better in the quality department with each new model. However, I don't see women improving over time. If anything, women's attitudes are getting worse. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Willis; I would not describe my marriage that way in any way. That is a state of mind. If she controls you before the marriage you will be controlled after. Again, then she is not the best. We guys tend to think more with our d**k than our brain. A good f**k is just that. And that turns into old pu**y after a few times. All you do is chassing pu**y with a different name, and yes that is fun but can be after marriage as well if she lets you. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Solly, coming back to the original item of this discussion. I think it is a good idea. If it is people that I trust, I would not think I have a probelm with that. This again is the theory. In reality I believe that there are not a whole lot of people that I would swap my car with. You may be one that I would though. I was in Chicago the other day and Chris did not call:-), why is that Chris? LOL Anyhow, William, I wanted to hook you up with a few females down here but man, if they find out your thought I get slammed! These are nice innocent girls. I am married for 9 years and it is like a few months. Married in Vegas and had a great time. Love her more than I did the day before. I guess it is a question of who you get married to. She supports me in my fanatics of Ferrari (actually told me to by the damn car, did not flintch when I came home one night and had a contract in my hands for my car and drove me to the dealer the next day so I can pick up my car. William, if someone acts the way you describe your ex, she was just not the right one. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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This discussion about Ferraris and women is very interesting albeit very off topic. I'd have to agree with William on this one because of my experiences although I've never been married (came close twice). Quite a few of my married relatives and friends characterized marriage as a "trap" or "loss of freedom". | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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William, when describing women below, you could've almost been describing a Ferrari! All except Whiney. Although, mine has an awesome whine above 6000rpm. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Ive found its best to seperate women from my list of loved ones. They r volatile, untrustworty, whiney, undependable, high maintenance creatures. Best to have them around for a little play time then send them on their way & go hang out with my rational sane male friends | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Rob, if you're legally married in Italy, you're legally married in the U.S.A.. Your Italian wife may be thinking of getting your Italian car to drive around the autostrada. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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There's lots of negative connotation with marriage. I'm legally married (in Italy), but Jennie and I never mention the "M" word unless someone asks. We treat our relationship as best friends (you love your best friends), plus the other part that you usually don't have with best friends. They're kinda two different things in the relationship... FTF. It's not traditional, but works unbelievably for two independent minded socially liberal kids from Kansas. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Kenny, u r very young, u have No idea. I found marraige to b oppressive. "Dont buy that, dont look at her, dont look at that program, sell the 308, dont do this, dont do that, dont speak to that person" Sheesh, now I am single again, i invite whichever woman I want over, & however many I want I buy , drive, speak, watch whatever I want. I went to a car show with a married friend a few years back. He wanted to get a VW golf, suggested that to the wife & she instantly shot it down, Wow that was a reminder. at My house when I want to buy my next car, be it a Viper, Porsche 993 turbo, or MB 55SL AMG, i take a vote. i libe up my 3 female cats & I ask them if daddy can buy a car. The vote is always unanimous in my favor, no wonder I love animals | ||
| Jorma Johansson (Jjfinland)
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Kenny, nothing wrong with marriage. I have been married 25 years now with the original love. Just find the rihgt one. William, how many Ferraris your exwife took with her This was a very interesting lead, your true feelings come forward. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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Whats wrong with marriage? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Marraige, ROFL, been there , done that, never again thank u | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
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lol @ chris. | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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I have pubes older than you... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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uhh, its about 8 years too early for me to even think about getting married, im only 17. I know its alot different. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Yes it is. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Timn, The problem here is that you are not married. If you were you would understand how these things can be said and how our wives are so understanding. It's great to be married isn't it guys? | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Obviously, Tim, you have never had a wife. A girlfriend is not a wife. Put a ring on and its like night and day. You should hear what they say. You know I take that back -- unless you have heard what your girlfriends say about you in the girls locker room you are still in dreamland. Girl talk is way worse than boy talk. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Im sure your wives would love reading this post. If i ever said anything like that about the girl im with, forget it, i'd have some serious appologizing to do. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Sorry Steven, This only seems to be a way to end good relationships between the guys on F.C.. As personal as our cars are to us we would sooner rent out our wives. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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You can have the wife long before the car!!! Now wife swap I get -- she can now earn her keep. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
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Sure Solly, give me a call next time you're in town, I'll toss you the keys. While you're here, take my wife for a few hours too. What are you, nuts??? You're kidding, right??? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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If i were older and owned a ferrari i wouldnt feel comfortable driving yours or letting you drive mine. but whenever im in miami, you can take me for a ride. | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Neat idea, but sorry my baby is not for rent or sale. Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable driving yours either. Jusy my 2 cents. | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
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What if we started a national or regional Ferrari swap. You drive my car when you come to New York, I get yours at the same time when I come to Miami or Dallas or wherever. With rental fees for a 355 at $1500/day, and a 360 at $2500/day, and no older models available for rental, it makes some financial sense for responsible owners using this site to contemplate exchanges with other responsible owners. I'm sure we could work out some insurance arrangements to indemnify all parties, as well as some ground rules for usage (no racing, only xxx miles a day, no using it as a taxicab, etc.), and results of the swap would be posted here in order to excoriate any irresponsible individuals (hope there are none). Does this make sense to anyone else, or am I the only idiot paying $5000 for three day rentals of sub-par Ferraris whenever I travel for pleasure? Give me some feedback. |