| Author | Message | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2002 |
Meguiars gets my vote. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 624 Registered: 1-2001 |
I have been using Zaino for ages, and I still haven't a clue what's with everyones comments regarding steps? 1. wash car (and dry) 2. apply ZAINO (remove) DONE. That's it. How much different is that than waxing? Someone please tell me. Of course you can DO more to prep the car's surface like claybar etc. (using Zaino OR waxes - doesn't matter at this point) but then you may have heard a painter say that the best paint job (car or house or whatever) can only be applied to the best prep'ed surface. But this has little to do with the normal application and use of car care products. I normally do the TR in the 2 steps mentioned above in an hour. Is waxing that much faster? -Ben P.S. Aplogoies to Ed for jumping into the fire here, but last time I asked this, I got no answers, so I'm guessing folks are uninformed... and yes I did talk about MY FERRARI! | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 314 Registered: 3-2002 |
Thanks Bruce. Maybe it was the Zaino I was confusing it with. I'll have to give it a try then. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 250 Registered: 4-2002 |
tyler zaino has to many steps and alot of it is not necessary .... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 249 Registered: 4-2002 |
no jack it isnt i use a little dawn, it strips the wax off nicely and it is not damaging to the car.. then apply a little zymol italia wax to the palm of my hands, do about a 2-3 ft section at a time, dont let it dry and simply wipe off with a cotton cloth..it looks beautiful on my yellow tr if you dont want to use a wax, i have used 3m imperial hand glaze that also works great and leaves a wet shine...my 2 cents here... bruce | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 269 Registered: 12-2001 |
I use Zymol Concours. I love it, but I think I will try the Zaino next to compare. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 313 Registered: 3-2002 |
Bruce, is it as big a hassle as everyone makes it out to be? I'm sure the end justifies the means, and I'll probably get some, but I was just curious. Also, do you strip off the old layer each time? | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 484 Registered: 2-2001 |
I totally agree that you shouldn't have to own a Ferrari to have your opinions or questions be respected. What kind of snotty attitude it that? What difference does it make what you are waxing, Ferrari, chevy, benz what ever. The guy was just asking for advice. Half of the subjects under the general discussion have already been talked about. How many 355 vs 360 comparisons have we had. New people come along and give new input and older members add their opinions to the mix. That what keeps the site rolling. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 248 Registered: 4-2002 |
jack to keep this going and burn eds ass, i use zymol italia wax on my tr. its about 65.00 and you can order it from www.zymol.com its unreal bruce | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2002 |
Wow! Thank you Jack, I really do appreciate the kind words and suggestions. Best regards, Marcus | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 310 Registered: 3-2002 |
Melo-are those filtered Camels, or the kind with humps?! Marcus, even though some people feel this is a repetitive topic, I was curious about this just like you. I read past threads on cleaning, but almost ended up with more questions than answers. I've since used a combo of Griot's cleaners and Meguier's wax, and the finish looks great. Like buttuh! Used Mother's for the black top-ditto-and good old ArmorAll for the tires. Someone mentioned that it's the process as much as the products, and I tend to agree. Griot's also has a handbook you can get, though I'm sure you can guess what they'll recommend... Finally, a member's merit should not be stipulated by what type of car they own. Marcus, you've always been a great contributor, and it's embarassing to see someone attempt to demerit you and your opinions or requests for information. This is, after all, an open forum. | ||
| melo yelo (Meloyelo)
New member Username: Meloyelo Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
This Ed guy must be a real hoot to hang out with. Ed - did you know that 98% of all men who have tried Camels prefer women. If you don't like the topic - don't read the thread. By the way FerrariChat - I like the site - excluding the "Ed" Factor - very informative and most people are very friendly. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 733 Registered: 9-2001 |
just wait for the people who have been ignoring this thread do to its non descipt title to jump on this | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 247 Registered: 4-2002 |
ok here comes the games now with a pissed off member, dont adjust your screens, its just his anger thru a machine... | ||
| RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member Username: Tr90 Post Number: 128 Registered: 4-2001 |
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 61 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ed - Time to check yourself into a home, dude. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1604 Registered: 12-2000 |
Ed, everyone else is fine with this thread. Just chill the heck out. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 246 Registered: 4-2002 |
tom maybe the thread "i have to vent" may be more appropiate... bruce | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2002 |
Don't ever insult me again! | ||
| Tom Antal (Intenso)
Junior Member Username: Intenso Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2001 |
Marcus, I think there is something to this electrostatic issue. Since I have used Zaino, I have noticed that the car is less dusty and much easier to clean without washing. Ed....get a life, get laid, go run around the block...just do something to get rid of your pent up frustration without taking it out on good people who provide interesting things to talk about on this site. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 729 Registered: 9-2001 |
could this be another floor mats thread? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1432 Registered: 2-2001 |
I don't know whether you noticed but this is Ferrari Chat. What Star Wars did and what wax will fit an Audi is not Ferrari Chat. You obviously are some kind of groupie who will have to ask your wife if you can someday have a Ferrari someday, but to come on a Ferrari chat line and try to take over the site when there is no way you can relate any Ferrari experience to benefit the others is riduculous. You could learn more by observing than by showing your ignorance. Is there not a vehicle chat line for your own choice of vehicle that you can talk wax and R2D2 with? Yes, I do have an attitude. Not because I own a Ferrari but because of people who don't and think they do and want to run the show. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 199 Registered: 4-2002 |
Thanks Eli! | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
New member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2002 |
Marcus: I have use Griots product for a while now and it works great. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 241 Registered: 4-2002 |
i think i have to subscribe large doses of zoloft, prozac, and liquid valium drip, everybody please chill....... bruce | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 196 Registered: 4-2002 |
Edward, If you treat non-owners and future F-car owner like this then kiss off! I am not taking that crap from you or anyone else on here! I said move on to another thread not off the chat-so get it straight! You talk about respect, you need to check yourself and watch what you say!!! I have seen plenty of re-posts here without any problems from other chat users. I am here to learn as much as possible about every aspect of an F-car and I do not think car care is a stupid question. If you have some issues with non F-car owners then you have a serious ego problem. We are all here to learn and share and just because you have a Ferrari does not make you any better than anyone else! This is what I was afraid of rude F-car owners like yourself-how does that make people who want a Ferrari feel about what you said in the post below! No I do not have an F-car but planning on getting one, but I will make damn sure I will never treat anyone like you have expressed today! You need to chill and respect all who come here, we should all be friends here not judge people on what they drive! Thank you to all those who have helped out. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 140 Registered: 4-2001 |
WM reminds me of the old story where this British gentleman who was not feeling well came into a train compartment and wanted to sit down but this snobbish lady had put her dog on the only seat next to her. He pleaded with her but she refused to put the dog in her lap so in desperation he opened the window and flung the dog out. An American fellow passenger looked and him and said "You British hold the fork in the wrong hand, drive on the wrong side of the road and now you've gone and thrown the wrong BI-CH out of the window" What did the poor dog do to you anyway!!! | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 253 Registered: 8-2001 |
Will, the dog gave you the finger?  | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 299 Registered: 12-2001 |
Ed: chill, its only a web site. Remember, in this environment, virtual child pornography is legal, according to the Supreme Court. So, a little disrespect goes along way. The other day, whilst on the way to work on the Saw Mill toward NYC, some lady with a faux Jaguar 3.0 Ford, not only had the chutzpah to cut me off, but then she stood on her brakes (i think her golden retriever scalded itself on the latte it was sipping from the rear seat cupholders), and then the ___ gave me the finger. Honest to god, if i had a baseball bat and a few extra minutes, the dog would have been toast. Chill.... | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 155 Registered: 11-2001 |
There's a great new wax called Paint Stripper. Get a big can of it and pour it all over your paint. Let it sit overnight. Then you'll never have to worry about protecting your paint again. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1599 Registered: 12-2000 |
Chris Pounds, a user of this board just detailed my car yesterday. It came out the best I've ever seen it. He uses Zaino. His theory is something along the lines of wax based stuff dulls in the sun and heat. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 137 Registered: 4-2001 |
OK so lets hear which car wax works better on the 328 vs 348 vs 355 vs 360 and red v black. No 12 cylinder Ferrari owners need contrbute to this thread. Seriously though, the Meguiars scratch remover does a very good job of removing small blemishes and if their polish (Gold) is anywhere as good, I'd be more than happy to use it at that price. | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib Post Number: 136 Registered: 4-2001 |
OK so lets hear which car wax works better on the 328 vs 348 vs 355 vs 360 and red v black. No 12 cylinder Ferrari owners need contrbute to this thread. Seriously though, the Meguiars scratch remover does a very good job of removing small blemishes and if their polish (Gold) is anywhere as good, I'd be more than happy to use it at that price. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1429 Registered: 2-2001 |
Let's see here, We have NON Ferrari owners telling owners to get off line? Exactly who is this Forum for anyway? What contribution can a NON-OWNER make to this site. I think I have contributed enough to this site to justify my position, and without OWNERS contributing info then what is this site going to become. If a NON OWNER wants to lurk it is fine with me but but to come on line and tell me to get off is an INSULT and having NON OWNERS asking STUPID questions is an insult. Don't they have sites for the vehicles you guys own so you can go harass them with your stupid remarks? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1428 Registered: 2-2001 |
That is what the search and archives are for. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
Junior Member Username: 328infoseeker Post Number: 107 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ed. Maybe you need a chat break! someone else may not keep up with all the, every month posts like you seem too. Marcus I hope you get the help you are looking for. Ron | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 287 Registered: 3-2002 |
Does everyone go the strip-and-wax route, or are there any of you who use a polymer-based wax? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Junior Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 224 Registered: 4-2002 |
my 2 cents here with my own experience( before ed tries to knock me down) best shine non-wax= 3m imperial hand glaze best wax= zymol italia wax about 65.00 from www.zymol.com quick enough for eds patience.....??? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 282 Registered: 12-2001 |
I sort of agree with ed on this one, not because its not worth asking a question about the relative merits of a product or aftermarket thingy (gee, ed, how many times have we see threads on 328 v348 v 355 or is a TR that much worse than a 512, etc); my take on this is that it has less to do with the brand of product(s), than with their correct application. At least as far as traditional wash, polish and wax is concerned. I'm not too savvy on one step products, and tend to avoid them. As i mentioned in a previous thread on this subject, i had my black barchetta detailed by the Pateraks, whose secret was do it all by hand, use good quality products and do it right. Granted, they spent close to 20 hours on the exterior. But I think it was worth it. Now, if one of these one step products can achieve the same result, go for it. But i am skeptical of miracle anythings; put the car under those gas lights and look at it carefully. what do you see? | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
New member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2002 |
The real difference between Zaino and regular wax is that Zaino is not electrostatic--i.e. it won't attract dust while the car sits in the garage. Wax is electrostatic and builds up a charge as one polishes it to a glossy finish. This charge picks dust out of the air and bonds it to the wax. Zaino doesn't--Zaino is good stuff. On the other hand, I generally use a wax based set of products due to availability (and my not planning ahead--stupidity). To get a Zaino-like result, you will want to strip the old wax using dishwashing detergent. Then a clay bar if there is any embedded junk in the finish. Then a polish (lacquer really likes polishing). Then a sealer and Finally wax. This process is not that much shorter than a full zaino session--its just the products are easier to accumulate. Once this entire process is performed, you can simply wash and rinse the car (about) 4 times before the next waxing. Once the water doesn't bead as desired, wax again. When the wax doesn't bead the second time, go back to the start and do the complete job (about twice a year). The Z5 product of zaino is a scratch remover/hider that is superior to any scratch hider found off the auto-parts shelves. If you need to hide scratches for your pride-and-joy to be complete, don't avoid the zaino. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1390 Registered: 2-2001 |
My point is this, It seems that every month someone asks the same question, then everyone chimes in with every wax known to man and all say theirs is the best but a ••••• to get off. I am just trying to save everyone the time and say go out and buy the cheapest Turtle wax that you can find and wax the damn thing once a month and be done with it. Anyone that is intelligent enough to afford a Ferrari should be able to pick up a can of car wax without conducting a national pole. You would think we are a bunch of first graders. No wonder the rest of the world hates Americans. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2002 |
Edward, If you do not want to help, you do not have to be rude about it-move on! I have heard tons of different stories about car care and I wanted to see what some of the F-car guys used. I am still fairly new here and have not seen any related threads, so I apologize. Thank you to those who have posted-very helpful! | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 406 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ed, Obviously we need more! | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 158 Registered: 2-2001 |
JUst had my Pantera professionally done. The guy Zaino is great, but use only the polish and liquid wax. There is a first step that takes time because it needs to dry. He said the owner of Zaino told him that the first part is unnecessary. The only reason he has it is because marketing by other brands were telling his customers that they needed a 3 stage process. His customers wanted a 3 stage process from him and they were willing to pay for it. I've posted a picture and keep in mind that the car does "not" have a high $$$ paint job. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1386 Registered: 2-2001 |
Exactly how many threads do we need on freaking car wax? | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2002 |
Zymol is about as "Moderately priced" as it is effective. ;) The real answer: Try them all and use the one that look best to YOU! | ||
| Mike Fisher (Mikef)
Junior Member Username: Mikef Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2001 |
I have used, and been a real fan of Zymol. Call Larry Emmons Coachworks 1-800-NOW4WAX. Moderately priced, easy to use. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Junior Member Username: Doody Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2001 |
here is the comparison that arnaldo is probably referring to. definitely worth reading IMO. i own a pile of zaino products. i haven't noticed them to be "amazing" or "restorative" per se. http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/ greg is a seriously insane guy when it comes to keeping his cars clean. he posted another thread somewhere about getting all the swirl marks out of a 360 Modena's black finish that was stupendously instructive (3M Hand Glaze). doody. | ||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Junior Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2002 |
Zaino doesn't look any better, but it looks good longer than anything else. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 886 Registered: 9-2001 |
I like Klasse. It is relatively easy to apply, looks great and last a long time. | ||
| Tom Antal (Intenso)
Junior Member Username: Intenso Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2001 |
Zaino is absolutely amazing! And with the new ZFX Flash Cure it does not take that long to apply any longer. My car has never looked better. Tom | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
Member Username: Caribe Post Number: 307 Registered: 2-2001 |
I read a un-official comparison between Zaino and Meguiars somewhere on the web, and from the pictures and authors comments, It did not appear that Zaino was any better. Specially after all the hard work you need to put into using it properly. I use Meguiars on my Black (shows every damn line) TR, and Meguiars hides, or covers, most lines very nicely. Only the deeper scratches are hard to hide. Nevertheless, even the deeper ones become less visible as the number of coats increase (probably true for any wax, though). I wax my car about once a month. With Zaino, that would be impossible. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
New member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2002 |
Zaino. But it's a bit*h to use properly. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2002 |
What car care do you suggest, I am at the point of confusion here. I have been told Griots, Zaino Brothers, 3M, maquiars, and so on...has anyone used the above and give a real solution to why one is better than the other??? I want something that will give my car the best quality protection and maintenance but not take me forever to do but spend a good enough time to do it right-just not all day. Thanks in advance . |