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| Martin (Miami348ts)
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For all that believe the Z8 is holding its value better... Du Pont Registry (and we know that they are overpriced) Page 74, 2000Z8, 4900 Miles with extras $99,000. That would be a loss of $ 50,000 in not even 5,000 Miles and one year or 1/3 of its price. Hmmm, why not flush it down the toilet?...and that is exactly what that car is a "toilet bowl" Al Bundy to the rescue ! | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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I've always wanted a Lotus El Camino... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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It seems like Lotus always get called Lamborghini. Many have called the Lotus in the Tbird add a Lamborghini. Especially when the Lotus is Black. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Jimpo, maybe that is because you have the "Aniversary" Countach color ? LOL  | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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My Europa has been called a Mustang, a Corvette, a Lamborghini (40 year old bag boy at the supermarket so I let him slide) and an El Camino. Never a Ferrari though! | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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At lunch the other day, a guy walked up to me and said, "what is that, some kind of Lamborghini?". My "smart ass" reactors kicked in, but I held my tongue and said "No, it's a Ferrari". Sometimes it's hard to be nice! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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When I had my 360 for 2 weeks, a girl asked me "what kind of Mitsubishi is that?" at a gas station. Before I could correct her, her friend recognized the car and said "nice Ferrari". | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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How true Edward. I've found that most people don't know what it is either. Maserati? Lamborghini? Nope, it's a Ferrari. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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All these facts about production numbers that we recognize about Ferraris, the average Joe off the streey has no idea about. In most areas of the country people have never ever seen a Ferrari of any kind much less know how many were made. I have people all the time come into my business and ask to see "the car". They state that they have always wanted to see one. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Dilly, The 250 GT Calif. Spyder may be out of reach for most of us. There are a few that are similar and still at "reasonable" prices. Try the 275GTS, 330GTS, or the 250 GT Cabriolet Series II (series I prices are skyhigh now). | ||
| DBP (Dilly)
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In making the choice between the Ferrari and Z8 I would, of course, choose a Ferrari. However, I don't want a Z8 new or used. Not that I don't admire the car, I just don't want one. Perhaps the comments coming from the general public are due to the fact that TR has the highest production numbers in the history of Ferrari. It is natural that someone would think of a TR as being a "ture Ferrari". For my money a "true Ferrari" is a Cal. Spyder - sad to say this is a car I will never be able to own. I have owned a TR and loved. However, I seem to prefer a car with a softer line. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Dilly, I have to disagree with you. The 840 to me has still a great look and looks much like great sport cars today. F550 and F456 have all similar looks. On the 348/TR being outdated, well that is a opinion question, I guess just as the 840 being outdated. ON the Sarasota Event most people liked the 348 style and the TR style. I had one gentlemen from the public comment that the TR style is a "true" Ferrari style that is so distingued and easy to realize, something that the 360 for example will have to make that distingtion in time, which I believe it will achieve as well. The loss of value is more related to the fact it is a BMW. Who wants to buy a 7 year old car for $ 19,000 if they can buy a new japanese car with the same "quality" for that price. Of buy a smaller model for less or newer. If you have a chance of buying a Z8 and buying a Ferrari which one would you buy used? Which one would most people prefer? Both are not daily drivers in most peoples minds. | ||
| DBP (Dilly)
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Martin I think the reason that you had trouble selling your 840 BMW is because that car didn't age well. I looked to buy an 840 and design just seemed dated to me. On the other hand, we have owned two M3's, one 540 and one M5 and these cars are great. Granted they are not a Ferrari with the "sports car" look but the M5 can run circles around many Ferrari. The Ferrari body that is starting to look dated in my opinion - hold on to your hat Martin - is the 348 and the TR series. Ok guys, don't hurt me too hard for this thought or you may loose two of your gal chatters in one week! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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I don't know what you guys are doing to your BMWs ,but I have had great service and resale on mine. I have had an M3, two M5s and a 740iL that all ran great with very little problems. When I did have a problem the dealership treated me like a king. The quality and construction were superior than any other cars I have owned including 5 Ferraris and a Mercedes 380SL. Maybe it's the U.S. built Z3s and X5s that are giving problems, but it is not the M cars. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Has anyone else noticed that BMW's tend to look outdated very fast(with a few exceptions). I am always amazed that Ferraris look "current" no matter their age. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Martin, You called it right. When it comes to selling a BMW especially the sedans, prepare for the worst cut ever experienced in the selling market. Also have you noticed after a few years the interiors,door panels etc. start coming apart, unglued? In reality the Z8 will hold its value better then the sedan simply because of being a sports car. But if they can't build their best sedan with good quality and also it can't hold its own on the market, then no thanks. | ||
| Mr. 001 (Racer_001)
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Ferrari! ;) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Just found a buyer for my 840. I have to sacrifice the car for $18,500, which is way way below value. After putting $5K into it, so in reality I am getting $ 13,500 for a car that is in the books at $25K. So much for BMW value. You have to find a sucker to buy your Z8 in a few years when the hype is gone. I predict you can buy Z8s in the 50s and 60 in no more than 3-4 years. BMW is totally over-rated! Z-8, please! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
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I had very little trouble with the BMW I had. I drove it very hard and it only had a few minor problems. I have not driven the Z8, but I would not take it ove a 360 spider. It would be a nice car to park beside a 360 spider in the garage though. | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
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Yes, I psyched myself into the fact that my TR was going to give me headaches when I bought it, but so far (8 months later), it has been great (knock, knock... wood that is)! A friend of mine practically gave away his '97 740 iL to get away from all the time and money he was spending at the BMW dealer. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I always thought BMW was known for good handling and reliability. I am surprised that this model is that unreliable. Why would you want a Z8 that is going to be more unreliable than a Ferrari. Most people always say how unreliable Ferraris are and how the costs of service are sky high. BMW servie isn't that reasonable either and for a brand new car to have that many problems isn't good. | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
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I have been hearing a lot of bad things about BMW's reliability in general, and also about the willingness of the dealer/manufacturer to stand behind its product. What is your quys experience on this regard? | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
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Z8 monthly must be a lemon. The dealer should replace the car for him. Also service is free for the 1st 3 years on the Z8. I know of 3 360's that fell under the lemon law and have been replaced here in FL. We love the 360 Spider, but got tired of waiting for one. | ||
| Jay Thompson (Jayt)
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The 360 is probably more reliable. According to my BMW salesman, he gets to see his Z8 customers on a regular basis because they are in service so often. He has one who is in monthly. Mostly electronics. | ||
| Steven Pham (Stevendp)
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The Z8 and 360 are both beautiful cars, but to comparing the Z8 to the 360 is the same as masturbating and calling it sex. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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BMW does make nice looking cars and they do have really good quality. I just don't like the cookie cutter platforms they have between series. Ferrari, well hey I'm biased. I can't get over the Z8's center instrument console | ||
| Simon Bertram (Lordvagabond)
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To me, the reason I chose Ferrari over BMW was because of the emotions the sight and sound of a Ferrari brings out in everyone. Sure, the BMW harks back to the original BMW 507 and has a kick ass engine, but each and every Ferrari ever built that I lay eyes upon, to me, evokes that "wow... just wow" feeling, while the Z8, which I can't help but stare at, evokes that "wow... the germans have made another great car. sehr gut, schon gut. I want one" feeling. BTW, doesn't the Z8 look a little like a 275GTB/4? maybe BMW stole the look from Ferrari =P | ||
| Arnaldo Torres (Caribe)
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The Z8, just like the Z3, look to feminine to me. Ferrari lines always evoke power, tradition, and grandeur. Hard to get that on a BMW. I'll take a 360 anytime over one of the beamers. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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I have a 2000 M5 and love it. The BMW M5/Z8 V8 engine is deceiving about how fast you're going. In a Ferrari you feel like you're going 100mph when you're only going 50mph. In an M5/Z8 you feel like you're going 50mph when you're going 100mph.I know i can take a 355 in the 1/4 mile in my M5 because I've done it. But still, the Ferrari is more exciting to drive. | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
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We have a Z8 and its be best car I've been in. Ride quality is superior to any other car. I'm not Michael Schumacher so I don't need it be the best handling car, but its still ranks up high. Car is hand made and its as powerful if not more than our 512TR. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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Compared to the 360, the Z8 handles like a pig. I have driven both cars in anger and the 360 would absolutely run rings around the Z8 in any conditions. If I can be so bold to say the Z8 is boring. The Z8 is fast, but so is a Camaro. Heck, I'd take a M5 over a Z8. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Sat in a Z8 before. Never got comfortable in the thing. I'm sure it's a great performer but it just doesn't do it for me. Besides, I've only seen women drive the Z8 around here (same as Benz's SLs). Hehe... | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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If I could pick between the to and price wasn't an issue. I would definitly pick the 360 Modena. I think they are great cars. Very comfortable and smooth. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Now the Z8 hardly handles like a pig. It does a 1.1g on the skid pad per many magazine tests as well as 0-60mph in 4.2sec and 1/4 mile in 12.6 sec. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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360. Sure the BMW is fast, but not fast enough, and it handles like a pig. The 360 is a total package. I'd go 360 without batting an eyelid. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
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Better for what ? The Z8 is a better GT car while the 360 is a better sports car. I have riden in both cars and I will say that the Z8 has a better build quality than the 360. But, most German cars always beat Italian cars in that respect. The Z8 is also a better buy in that it has almost the performance of the 360 for a lot less money. Service cost on the Z8 will be much less expensive as well. I would still rather have the 360 though, although I would like to have a Z8 too. | ||
| Simon Bertram (Lordvagabond)
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Well, I was asked by my bud Rick which is the better car (as I am kinda nutty about cars) and I, being a Ferrari fan, said "Ferrari, of course" But then I thought... which one really *IS* better? This is not a serious, by the book post. It's just meant for fun and enjoyment (and maybe a lil Ferrari owner ego enhancement ^_^ ) so that the answer to the question can be truly found in an unbiased, level field of discussion (cough) |