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| Michael (Mtabije)
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This town is full of bad businesses and bad customers, heck it's Vegas!!! Where do I start?!!!! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ok Michael, Who pissed you off in your town. Or anybody else who has had a bad relationship in business especially with a Ferrari. Now is the time to vent yourself. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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What happened to this thread? heheh let's get it started agian | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ed, What you have just said certainly throws a different light on the subject. Obviously he is well known in your town to be as you described. Probably if you did the work it would never be right and he would always be complaining. I guess best to stay away from that kind. To sum it up you could say "His reputation precedes him." | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
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in California, the Bureau of Automotive Repair rules provide that when you bring your vehicle in for service, you must be provided an estimate in writing, and if that estimte changes, it also must be in writing, or documented at the time it is changed on the back of the work order. If the service facility fails to strictly comply with the rules, they cannot collect for the repair work, even the reasonable value of the work. I've seen substantial money lost (in the 6 figures) because the service facility failed to comply with the law. It is interesting that Ferrari of San Francisco has yet to give me a written estimate over the years, but I guess that they figure if you are going to stiff them, they don't want to deal with you anyway, and you can self select whether you deal with them or not. | ||
| Michael Fennell (Mfennell70)
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OK, that makes more sense. FWIW, when it's time for scheduled service on my Esprit, I just hand it over. I pay a premium for my mechanic but I know the work will be done right and the price will be fair. OTOH, if I'm doing elective work I ask him "how much" so I can decide now, later, or do it myself. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I guess that I should have clarified some things better. This guy is a card carrying ass hole and is certified around town to be one. It is funny to see the different comments people have because when I told my friends who know this individual about his requesting an estimate, their immediate reaction is, "That •••••••" has the nerve to ask a price? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Very good point David. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Along that line, I know that I have asked how much certain work would cost. It is so I can figure out if I budget it for later or just do it now. A clutch may be one of those jobs. It works now but it could be improved or put off depending on the cost. Now maybe Ed knows this guy blows money all over town and he was just being a pain in the neck. We don't know the full story and as magoo says, Ed normally shows pretty good logic. I would give Ed the benefit of the doubt in this case. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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If I had a captured clientel, I would also not feel a need to quote prices because they wouldn't need me to, based on the long term relationship. They know you and trust you. But if you deal with new people who don't know you, giving them a ballpark estimate shouldn't be considered an insult to your integrity. They just need to see how many widgets they need to sell to get their baby back on the road and healthy. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Edward, I like you and I respect your knowledge of cars etc., but to see you make a statement about why should you waste your time making a estimate for some cheapskate when you have people waiting in line who don't care how much it costs is a very weak defense. It is not human nature for people not to want to know how much a service will cost them. It really is your business I guess but your responses just don't sound like your usual logic. BRGDS. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I read a saying somewhere, either in the Smithsonian or at a Flea Market, I can't remember, but anyway it said, "If a person dies rich, then he lived too poorly". I like that. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Why waste time looking up parts and labor? There are 2 shops in my area who work on F cars; I have used one extensively without ever consulting the other. When my shop quoted me $1600.00 to replace rear wheel bearings, I decided it was time to shop around! The 'other' shop (Ferrari factory trained) quoted me $575 - a $1000 price saving difference!! After investigation, I determined I over spent about $5000 this last year alone by not 'shopping around'. Moral of story: ALL future business - and ALL prior business if I has 'shopped' around first - will be going to the other shop (which comes highly recomended from many sources)! | ||
| Mark (Study)
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This topic reminds me of a funny thing I saw a lot in Florida when I use to be a golf pro. I had made friends with two guys that I played a lot of golf with, and they where both very rich men. One inherited a family fortune the other was self-made CEO of a huge puplic company. Both were cheep Men. The guy that Inherited the money use to like to demand first class treatment becuase of his name... and then he would skimp on tips and paying his bills. Sort of a mean sport for him. What a jerk! The second man (the CEO) was the most kind and pleasant man I ever met, he would go out of his way to help the avarge guy. But he would also drive 15 miles across town (in his $200k P-car) to save $3.00 on a big bag of dog food. His time was very important and his company jet was always wisking him some where but for some reason...getting a bargin while doing his weekly shoping was in his DNA (must have been stronger then time-is-money slogan). My point is this. A bargin hunter, or a cheap-skate don't change just becuase they are rich beyond everyone's wildest dreams. Blows my mind in a way. But the man is who he is and amounts of money don't change that. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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It may be bad business, but why should I waste my time looking up parts and labor for some cheapskate when I have people standing in line to get their cars serviced who don't care how much it costs. | ||
| Michael Fennell (Mfennell70)
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Ed, your apparent resentment of this doctor is clouding your business sense. The guy asked for an estimate. That's all. He just wanted to know how much it would cost. You turned away a (presumably) multi-thousand dollar job because you wouldn't look up the hours and make a call to find out parts cost. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I can vouch for Brian when he says charges fairly. He does all of the work on my 308 and is alway honest and fair. Even before I owned my car he answerd a thousand questions for me. If your car is in the midwest area you couldn't ask for a better mechanic. In fact my car is there right now getting ready for spring. I can't wait for spring! | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
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Edward, I agree, the cost always filters down to the Joe Customer. We have a rule in IN that estimates should not be exceeded by more than 15%, uif so the customer can pay the 115% and walk. It really doesnt help anyone, the shops estimate high AND automatically add the 15%! I got out of that system, the techs are overpricing the job because the owners are screwing them, then the service writers add on a bit more etc., tec.. My customers generally bring in a car and leave it, I do what I see necessary, charge fair value, and we go on from there. Trust, taken years to build, that's why they'll drive up to a thousand miles. God bless them all. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I gladly give estimates, but will not ever get into a bidding war to get a job. I live in a small town and am the only person who does high tech work. I have done work for this person before and have never over charged him nor has he ever had a complaint with my work. He openly flaunts his wealth and I believe that he shoul;d only ask "when" versus "how much". In most cases I do not ask how much for anything I get done because since I know everyone in my small town I know that they will do their best at the most reasonable price. By the way There was no insurance involved and no estimate was asked for. For some reason some people think that insurance money is free money but guess where it comes from.Also in S.C. there is no estimate law but there is talk of one being passed. If that is true then labor rates will have to go up to cover the administration costs and lost time and guess who will pay for that? No me. The answer is a licensing program to weed out the incompetents. All a silly estimate program will do is inconvenience the customer and not lower his bill a dime. | ||
| Adam Goldman '86 TR (Icnsltmfg)
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As I tell my mechanic, I drive a Ferrari, but that does not mean I can afford one. He always get's a kick out of that since I remind him of that as he is giving me the estimate. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ed, Not to blow this thing out of proportion, but it does look like you are saying that if a guy is a wealthy person he should not ask what the cost is going to be. Asking what the cost is going to be is only good business. Whether you are poor or wealthy. A lot of people, also by state law, ask for a written estimate within 10% of the cost in a mech. repair shop. Do you give those if you are asked? I know you may not like the guy but to call him a assh--e for asking what it costs that's another thing. Just the way I see it. BRGDS. Magoo | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Just because someone makes a lot of money doesn't make it ok to rip them off. It's amazing to me how people jack up prices if they think you can afford it. It's never good business. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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So if a guy makes a lot of money he should just be willing to let someone charge him what ever they feel like that day. A lot of times it is the people with short arms and deep pockets that acquire and keep wealth. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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This is a good thread, I love it when we pick on Porsche. I can see Edwards point though. He says one of the richest doctors in town which implies that they're at least somewhat familiar. In this case I think it has more to do with questioning someone's integrity/word than it does with price. I've never once asked one of my dad's friends a price on something done to the jeep, a Ferrari part, etc. I trust them. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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I've had a ton of stuff done on my Europa and I always asked about what each thing would cost so I could prioritize what I needed for the restoration. Even though I had a big budget, I still wanted to keep things in perspective and spend my money wisely. I fixed a lot myself when the labor hours seemed more than it was worth, and paid for things I couldn't or didn't want to deal with. I don't think I insulted my mechanic; I felt we were partners in the project. | ||
| Jerry Wiersma (Tork1966)
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What your father in law was charged is completely irrelevant. Your father in law had a right to ask how much the operation was going to cost, but he obviously didn't. I suspect the insurance co. paid for it. I think that anyone who doesn't inquire as to at least a "ball park" estimate (no matter how much they make) is a very poor business person. As mentioned earlier, you open yourself up to get ripped! Now if the doctor had told you that your price was too high (assuming that you would have given him a reasonable estimate) or "Ok, well I'm just shopping around" then yes I agree he is a tight ass. To simply inquire is not so bad is it? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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For all you guys that felt that the Doctor should have asked about the price of a clutch in his Porche, My Father in law just went to him for a kidney infection and was charged $800.00 for a 30 minute examination. Screw this cheap SOB. I would not have the nerve to ask how much with this kind of income. It serves him right to have to drive 50 miles to the nearest Porche Dealer to get it replaced. I'll starve to death before I would ever give an estimate to a Cheap SOB making that kind of money. I don't know if anyone of you saw it or even noticed, but a few weeks ago Regis Philbin went off on the guy that replaced the muffler on his car claiming that he was overcharged for the repair. The nerve of that SOB too to accuse someone of ripping him off when he makes more money than he could ever spend. Give me a hard working blue collar customer any day. All they care about is that their car is fixed and on time. They know I will treat them honestly. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Ernie is correct. Many people will try to take advantage of you. Especially with a Ferrari. Look at how much Ferrari Dealers charge. They can to and so can most technicians. Many people don't have the knowledge of their vehicle. When there A/C isn't working many could tell them it is the compressor and they would believe it when it is just a leak etc. Look at how much a dist. cap is for a Ferrari 308. It isn't a very well made cap either but hey it says Ferrari on it. Call about the price of an oil filter that comes in the nice Ferrari box. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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I don't think it has to do with "cheap" but better with not getting ripped off. Why is it that you can buy a LIFE TIME Warrantied water pump for a Ford at the cost of $85. Yet for the Ferrari all of a sudden it is $850, and with no warranty. That is a bunch of bull. They do the same thing. The impeller spins, water comes in one hole and goes out the other. People will find any reason to over charge. So it's not being cheap, it is not get taken advantage of. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Some of my friends and relatives thought it was a mistake that I bought a Ferrari even though they knew it was my dream for a long, long time. They said that most women don't like that (Ferrari as competition for affection). | ||
| Michael Fennell (Mfennell70)
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Nika, now you're talking about being cheap. "Frugal" is not going out to eat so often. "Cheap" is stiffing the waiter/waitress when you do. Speaking of tipping... I'm almost a compulsive tipper. Furnace guy, carpet guy, mechanic, etc. Anyone not working for himself. I think the good will pays off in the end. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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sort of, I was married then so I couldnt really exploit it . She wanted me to sell it, I got rid of her instead | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I am surprised to hear that most women don't like Ferraris that much. Many people probably buy Ferraris to get women too. William didn't you say that is why you bought your first Ferrari. Did it work for you? | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I dont care ic chicks dont like my 512TR cus I bought it for myself, not to impress chicks, although she does do that often  If she doesnt like the Ferrari she can walk By the way I'm not Mr Right, I'm Mr Right Now LOL | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Michael - I see your point. As my Mom always taught me - be with a person that treats everyone with respect. If being taken out for dinner I can tell a lot from the way my date will treat the waiter/waitress. Anyone who is mean or arrogant, will not see me again! And tipping! a couple dollars extra won't kill a person! sheeesh!!! | ||
| Michael Fennell (Mfennell70)
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Sorry Ed, but anyone who would give me attitude for simply wanting to know approximately what something will cost would never get my business. Nika, don't you think there might be some correlation between wealthy and frugal? Ignoring the crazy tech market in the late-90's, most wealthy people get that way by being smart about both sides of the balance sheet - income and expense. OTOH, it's worth pointing out that the "rich doctor" Ed mentioned could just as easily be living paycheck to paycheck. Appearances can be deceiving and doctors are notorious for living beyond their means. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Nunja, you seem to have it all figured out. I don't think it is wrong to ask how much something it going to cost. Most of us work for our money in one way or another. Yes, he may make lots of money but he did work hard for it. Pre-Med, Medical school is not very easy plus it is 8 years of college plus 1-2 years residency. That is a lot of time and medical school is very expensive too. I wasn't there but my point is that most do work for their money and I think it is fair to ask for the price on something. I think that interesting using AOL Im to meet people. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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Believe it or not, it is rare when I get asked "how much? from any of my customers. Also most of my customers are blue collar too. I always call each customer with a price before I repair anything, but it is rare that I get asked before hand. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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I think we've had discussions here before about being frugal with money? I shop around for parts for the Ferrari. I don't buy from them if they can't answer my question. I think its also irresponsible to do something without giving any concern about how much it would cost, you can be taken advantage of easily. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I don't care how much money you have. I don't see anything wrong with asking how much for anything. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ron, You don't have to keep up. Just tune in once in a while. This one is going to be a history maker on F.C.. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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YOU GUYS SLOW DOWN I CAN'T KEEP UP! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ed, I partially agree with you about these guys usually wanting to get something for nothing, but when most people call or bring their car in for a estimate,rich or poor, don't they usually ask "How Much?" Isn't that the standard question? | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Oh Edward - I hear you - I hate cheap people! Any charity event I volunteer at or attend - I am always shocked how some of the wealthiest are so frugal.......embarassingly so A multimillionaire once said to me: WHat's the point of having the bread if you haven't the teeth. I live within my means (debt free) but I enjoy..... and still live the adventure | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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One of my friend's girlfriend and her sister always make fun of guys who drive Porsches. What was that old joke? "What's the difference between a porcupine and a Porsche? The Porsche's prick is inside." I've never thought a Ferrari would be a chick magnet. All years before I bought my 360, I've never seen a girl get excited and point when a Ferrari goes by. I've see a girl key a Porsche before though. | ||
| DBP (Dilly)
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We have had two Porsches and I hated both of them. One was a 928 and the other a 356 Speedster. The 928 was a lemon and the 356 couldn't get out of it's own way. Give me a Ferrari any day of the week and keep the Porsche. Sam, I understand what you are saying but rest easy, there are a few of us gals out there with good taste. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I had one of the richest doctors in town call me today and ask how much to put a clutch in his Boxter. I told him that I didn't do clutches anymore just to keep from saying that I think he is a cheap piece of crap to ask how much. What an ass hole. I wouldn't do it for tripple what it pays just because he asked. He makes more in 30 seconds than I make all week. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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I think the poll is dead on ..... all the girls I know, inlcuding my girlfreind are gaga for the Porsche (and any car with MD plates)! The real exotics really don't impress them, they just scream that the driver/owner is either reckless, wild, immature, unsafe, insecure, impractical, or all of the above ---i.e. not ready to settle down...not "husband material" but for soe reason, the Prosche says, doctor, executive low key, practical (has two ridiclous seats in the back - for a BABY!) and they can easily get in and out of it and it is strangely familiar to women ( they dolike the rounded CUTE shapes of a baby's butt) The ferrari, when women get in, they are always amazed how loud and uncomfortable it is and wonder what is the big deal here...they think it should be like a mercedes or rolls. I agree with william here, women by and large can become "need machines" if you are not careful with the maintaining the relationship. But then again...so does a Ferrari! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Kevin, Got your F50 back yet? | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
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William, Here's how to identify 'easy' women: any of these characteristics especially in combination- smoking habit tattoos thumb ring rings on most fingers excessive ear piercings body peircings tongue ring (if they've got one ask them what they use it for) If you are looking for short term gratification without a long courtship use these observations to your advantage. Kevin | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
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(If this thread is still about meeting women) It is all about being able to talk. I don't mean being able to hold your end of a conversation. I mean getting the flirty edge going when meeting a girl. You have to be funny and a little suggestive. Don't be too self-deprecating (spelling?). A good rap with women can get you whatever you need (a date, sex, a relationship, whatever). Its just plain fun also. This is going to sound pretty lame but I'll share anyway. I used to (a couple of years back) jump on AOL and send instant messages to girls my age in my town who were online. I got so good at charming them that I usually had them on the phone in an hour or so (sometimes FOR a few hours) and within a week, day or even hours in some cases I was putting another notch on my bed post if you know what I mean. I must say that it was what I was looking for at the time and now I pass on short term conquests in my search for a wife. The bottom line is you've got to find a charming, flirty part of your persona and develop it. Don't mention that you make a lot of money or drive a Ferrari. You need to get them liking you for the right reasons. I'd never drive a Ferrari on a first date. Just some advice. Kevin | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Mark, You could look at those two the same way. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Remeber - a woman is juat a woman ... but a Ferrari is a RIDE! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Hmmm, Maybe I should do a scientific study on how to instantly identify "easy" women ? I'm really not too interested in the whole monogomous relationship thing | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, If you intend to rip out your fingernails and stick them in vinegar I'm going to tell you before you do it,"It's going to hurt." | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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I got a greta shot of the F-1 car - the guys in the display were so very nice - I looked at the 360 Yellow Spyder and called it the Barchetta.....AHHHHHHH - I KNEW it wasn't but I was soooooo tired from a killer week at the office I was suffering brain fade!!! LOL The Maserati ........(yawn) the GT-40........(wiping drool) | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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Nika: probably should be a new thread but the question on all our minds: Is the new Maserati REALLY as boring as it looks in pictures? If it were yellow would it help? | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Pictures, Nika, for us?! You're so sweet! | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FROM NIKA I was at the Detroit auto show - taking a whole bunch of pictures for my fellow FC chatters.......No need to apologize to me Willis - while your comment was not in particularly "good taste" I've been involved in racing and have heard much worse........I just didn't want to get into the debate of "size" or "needs' that the conversation seemed to have been heading towards. I gave up that kinda talk after high school. I think the Ferrarichat users are great people - I mean how can you not be if you love Ferrari! I'll post some auto show pix soon - it was just a long drive home! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, I really wasn't trying to beat up on you. Look at my previous comments to you. It really did all come together at that moment and I realized, you did it again. I just thought you should look at your comments and how you used it in the presence of the opposite sex. Maybe there was something for you to relate to your problem. Again not maliciously intended at all. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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OK, Magoo, You win. What can I say? I didn't put much thought into my stupid joke. I've already apologized and admitted my mistake. Would it help if I rip out my finger nails and dip my hands in vinagar now? | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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Awe hey now, Come on guys quit bustin up Willis. We all have made bad comments at one time or another. Nika to answer your question about "independance". See there is this thing with males most want to be the alfa male. In nature the male that can beat the tar out of all the rest is crowned the alfa male. So with us guys we do this by competing with each other, i.e. football, baseball, racing, boxing etc. The other way is we size each other up and say "Well I make more than you do" and if you don't make more than the other guy you can always say "Oh yeah well I can still kick your A##" By saying this you say, if I am not the best provider I am the best protector. Now if you meet a nice female and try to impress her but can't because she can provide for herself, you can not rely on old faithful and tell her "Oh yeah well I can still kick your A##" that doesn't fly in our society. Hope that answered your question a little. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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William H, When I figure out that's what they're doing to me, that's exactly what I say. Some get rather hostile when I tell them to quit doing that. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, I just thought of something since you mentioned it. You did turn Nika off also. What the hell causes you to do that. Another crowsfoot on the wall. It seems like if anybody is going to turn off a woman it's you. I couldn't believe it when I thought about it. She is just another one you ticked off. It must be innate. Just a friendly observation. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Willis, try this next time a chick starts dumping emotional stuff on u, especially about other guys. Just ask her "why are you telling me all this ?" It seems to remind them that they r talking to a man & not another chick | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Yeah, I listen to Tom Likus once in a while. It's funny that you mentioned Howard Stern. When I made that bad joke that pissed off Nika, I was watching Howard Stern's show on E! (recorded it on the Tivo machine). They had a commercial where a Penthouse Pet in a string bikini was hawking "enlargement" pills and she kept emphasizing that's what a woman want. I thought it was just too funny. So when ernie bonilla posted to state what women really wanted, I couldn't help but post what I thought was funny at the time. Oh well... | ||
| Mark (Study)
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Willis I heard a radio show that talks all about this topic. "how not to get turned into the best friend". The show is crude, rude and more popular right now then Howard Stern's national radio show. Tom Like-is (dont know the spelling) is on most talk stations across this contry. Explains to men all about dating and getting what they want. He tells the female listeners to tune in and they will also benefit by finding out "how men think". Might seem a bit silly (sex,raunch,teens) when you first listen to it.. but the subject matter is some new thinking and reminds me of when the "Men from Mars Woman/Venious" books came out. Very interesting program. Some nights the topic can be stupid. But there are also some gems. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Good morning, everyone! Talking is not what I have a problem with. I listen well too. I've been brought up to always treat the girl right. Getting her to reciprocate is the tricky part. Like I said before, getting too chummy with a girl have a danger of turning me into one of her girlfriends. You kinda become her emotional dumping ground and she stop treating you like a man. Congratulation! You've just become the emasculated "safe" guy. Not good for the ego or anything else. | ||
| Jerry Wiersma (Tork1966)
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If I were to sum up the most important points in talking to other people (no matter what sex) in conjunction with the keys to MY happiness they would be: 1) Be Self confident but not arrogant 2) Be a good listener but interject meaningful thoughts and responses 3) Have a sense of humor. No matter what you look like, nobody likes the person who holds their nose in the air (nobody worth your time that is). 4) Dress nicely but don't wear a suit to a sports bar 5) Don't waste your time with feelings of fear, anger, revenge, jealousy, criticism, etc. These are wasted emotions. 6) APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE!!! Stop to smell the roses man. Don't look at Mel Gibson and think, "that bastard made $30 M on that movie...he's no better than me!!" You're right, he is no better than you, but it just so happens that he has certain attributes that are in high demand. 7) Be able to talk to all types of people. Don't write off having a meaningful conversation with a ditch digger or garbage man. It will enrich your life to do so. 8) This one is I feel the most important. Have a Positive Mental Attitude. Don't let your negative self take over your thoughts...ever! Many people have a chamelion personality. If they are with a tough guy, they would act the tough guy for a few weeks. If they are with a funny guy, they would try to be a funny guy for a while, etc. They are constantly emulating other people whom they see as "cool". You will get positive reactions and you will be much happier if you are yourself. My .02. Jerry | ||
| Mark (Study)
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William may have just hit on it! What chicks want most. Its not the Ferrari, money, tall, or sexual endowment. They want the last thing we would have ever thought of. "a EAR!" | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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God, my GF just talks & talks & talks, drives me bloody crazy. just SHUT UP & be quite for a little while LOL | ||
| Mark (Study)
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I"m 5'8" chicks hate short guys. You just can't do anything about it. Especialy in a world of woman's fashion where everything has 4 inch heels from flip-flops to running shoes. But I learned a trick. I had a friend who is a major Ferrari nut... anyway he is 5'4" and has all the women he wants. He just knows how to talk. BOY is he a talker. I've become quite a talker myself. Chicks dig it. I've had so many girlfriends I've decided to take a brake from dating. (I'm not married becuase I'm too picky.. thats my own problem.) But its been a lot of fun dating a lot of different women each for 8 months or so before moving to the next one. (seems I keep enjoying the Honeymoon period over and over again) LOL Chicks don't look at me twice. But once I get them talking they can't think of anyone they would rather date. Funny. I'm lucky girls aren't like guys. Guys are way more concerned with looks. Chicks aren't if you can hold a good conversation. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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William H, I think your trainer's secret IS his looks. I'm only 5'8" and 152Lbs (perfect size to fit in ALL Ferraris. hehe...). Can't change much of what my parents gave me so it's hard to get noticed in any party. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Ed and Magoo, Thank you for your encouragements. It's not that I don't like or don't respect myself. I'm comfortable with who I am. I just find that I'm not getting any respect from others. That's probably why it's been eating me up inside. I probably need a psychiatrist pretty soon. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Magoo is right Willis. You won't have the capacity to respect anybody else, untill you respect yourself. Remember Jesus said, "Love one another as you love yourself." This capacity comes with knowing the truth. The truth about life, about love, about God and about yourself. To answere an earlier enquiry you made, Yes, I'll bet in my circle of friends (who really try to be rightious) I could get you about 3 dates immediately w/o mentioning your money or your 360. And, like you kind of said, " you don't mention those things on the first date." I agree, Look out for anyone who is immediately impressed by these two things. That shows wisdom & rightiousness,,,, my friends would like that. And now I know I like you Willis. We will deffinitly drink a beer and stare at beautiful women and cars some time. (hey, and my girlfriend has an old boyfriend who didn't go to Russia for a wife, but came back with one. They are now on to kid # two.) You can never tell what the future holds, ,,,,,, well unless you call that haitian woman on TV,,, you know,,,, madam Cleo,,,, give me your card # (mon) I'll have her call you. (ha ha) | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, You asked the question "would anybody like that guy in the picture". I know one person who should like that guy and that is "YOU." Get to know yourself but don't fall in love with yourself. You have to be happy with who you are. When you can do that I think things will happen easier for you. | ||
| Mark (Study)
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William I can shed a few more details on the poll... Top 5 cars rated by women Porsche made the list, I think it was number 4 on the top five list. Bug won, and another VW made it into top as well. Miata and one other car (can't remember name) rounded out the list of favorites amoung the ladies. Women wanted cars that are cute. I think the exotics are too extreem. Gals seem to be conservative. The gals seem to like rounded shapes. I like a sharpe wedge myslef. Woman just don't have that testosorne(sp?) that makes us want to go fast, compete, smoke the other guy, or show off...in our flash car. Also what I found interesting is that this poll was from the huge Celeberty Ball Preview night. So these women are mostly from upper income households. Yet no Jag, BMW, or MB on the list. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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William, Maybe they think the guy who drives it is in love with himself. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Mark that Detroit poll where the VW Bug was voted #1 coolest car by chicks says a lot. Seems to me that chicks percieve Ferrari-Vette-Lambo-Porsche as a threat to them cus society tells us that these cars draw a lot of attention from women. Seems its the usual "I like it but I cant admit to liking it too much cus I'm a woman" complex LOL Nika & a few other women seem to not have this complex, thankfully | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I have a friend who is also my personal trainer, this guy is like Sam from Cheers he has an incredible knack for identifying women who are "easy" & getting them to shag. I'll have to ask him what his secret is. Of course being blonde, blue eyed, 6' tall, 170# in a country where every1 had brown or black hair & the avg guys weighs 130#, & is 5'6" is quite an advantage. The way chicks on the street look at him is amazing too, course he is in really good shape & trains all day long even though I think he's a little scrawny but then I'm 5'10" 205# | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I'd figure if I don't get married by 40, I probably never will. We'll see in about 4 years. 24 to 34 really flew by for me because of work (3 different jobs in 3 countries). You could probably figure out your half-time by the age your grandfather or father died (if they've died, that is). | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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1/2 time? surely after I buy my ferrari so I don't have to buy her something of = value. Not even close to 1/2 as we speak. Man, the years 24-39 went buy it seems like about a year and 1/2. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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How do you know when halftime is? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Magoo, I'm not "into" myself. Is it a physical thing for women? I dunno. I'm not fat. Friends and family couldn't figure out if there's anything wrong with me and pretty much gave me up as a lost cause. Take a look at the picture in my profile, Magoo. You tell me. Would anyone like that guy in the picture (minus the Ferrari, of course)? | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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My motto is " I am going to live 1/2 my life single and the other half married". Both have thier assets. Still single at 39 I'll be here a while. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, Don't take this the wrong way but you have a hang up about yourself and it shows when you talk to women. You say it makes you wonder. Look at yourself and try to see the problem. Are you too much into yourself? Do you feel inferior around women? It's time to take a hard look cause something seems to be wrong. Just a observation. Find that and it would seem to me that you would have the world by the ass. Nothing malicious intended. BRGDS | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Good morning, Ed! I'm not desparate to get a wife (mail-order brides? yuck!). For me, a caring, steady girlfriend would do just fine. But when I start to hear "You're a nice guy, but..." from women a dozen times, I kinda start to wonder about various things. Please note that I never discuss Ferrari or money on a date. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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GOOD MORNING VIETNAM! Hey iron Joe, did you get those tie rods in yet? Nawwwwwwwwwwwww, i'll bet you've been on the couch, with your wife, watching ghost. (ha ha) And, there are the true, two things we can agree on, cars & sex. (in that order) And, hopefully Willis,,,,,, you will find out that "your Chick" will "dig you" too. If, not, throw that cold fish back (probably spoiled like most american women), book a flight to the Kremlin, see the sites, find a Russian wife, make babies, buy a mini van! (but in your case, you get to keep the 360!!!!! How many manly men can say that?) Willis, be cool to Willis. I like him. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I was merely stating my own experiences. I'm very proud of my heritage. I just don't like the negative stereotypes. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Michael, Yes, I bought my car from Ferrari of Seattle. Everyone at the dealership are very professional and friendly. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
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Willis-you have no idea how good you really have it. To drive that car you must have a lot going for you and offer a female. Take a hard look at yourself. Until you like yourself no one else will care for you. Who cares about what most females are like when you only want one special girl. Stop harping on your ethnic background. My girlfriend is black and white I only see her as a sexy person. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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that was a cool post joe and you used punctuation and everything | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
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What did the Polish/Italian guy do when he got his first ferrari ? uhhh. I think Ill sell the perfect ferrari motor, and put a chevy v8 in it...Anyways Ive been kind of fortunate in the chicks dept,I find that ladies that had many brothers, are happy around car, n sports guys, more,its sad in a way but my wife was very poor (dead beat dad).shes 36 and still looks 25 seriously.the moral to the story is their always being subjected to cool stuff. our first date was dirtbiking.When she made it over that first jump I turned to my buddy n said this ones a keeper. Mr.Huang your too hard on yourself, man your on top of the world,like i tell most of my plane loaders who are mostly african.When i look at you I see a man not a black man.(this goes for all races)Go get some Clint Eastwood flicks,Rocky Animal House,the Elvis 427 Cobra flick,watch them they have good testosterone effects for good weekends,grab a chick and watch Ghost on Sunday after a wild weekend with the buddies.P.S When in a foreign country and the sh-- is hitting the fan, terrorists,guns, blood,your not italian ,polish,mexican,asian,african, YOUR AMERICAN ,and you can dam-well bet your country is allready on their way to get you out.GOD BLESS AMERICA....THE US NAVY SEALS...and Nika you are the coolest | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Sorry Will, I wasn't makeing fun of your race. Just your name and your bad taste in jokes. I forgive you, I just hope Nika does. We all put our foot in our pie hole once in a while. (That is why God gave us two ears and only one mouth.) So what if your asian, sorry people are steriotypical. hey, I'm polish, heard any good jokes lately? | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Straight shooters, so you would recommed them? Did you buy from them? Thanks! | ||
| Mark (Study)
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"Chicks Dig It" Index ? Detroit International Auto show Celebirty Preview. Poll- coolest cars as voted by women 1. VW Bug Sorry Ferrari, Viper, Corvette, Lambo you all didn't make the top five | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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The people at Ferrari of Seattle are pretty decent. They're straight shooters. They might be having a test session at Seattle International Raceway for the debut of the Maserati Spyder in February. I think it's a invite-only deal for people who ordered the cars and Ferrari owners. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Thanks Willis for sharing. OKAY guys/gals let's talk about Ferrari's!!! Willis, love your 360, when I do decide to buy my first Ferrari would you recomend Ferrari of Seattle? My brother lives up there and lives close by to FoS and just drools over the cars there. How are they over there? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Michael, Experiences I've had are pretty subtle. At least around this area. It's noticeable, sometimes, just under the surface wherever I go (country clubs, markets, dept. stores, biz meetings, etc). I could feel the stares and hear whispers. But I've never had confrontations like you did. Most of the time, people just ignore me. Gotta be a little loud to get service at restaurants. The funniest thing was that no one would pick on me when I was in junior high and high school because some kids, including some on the football team, think I know kung fu or karate. I guess some of my dating disasters happened because of stereotypes and misunderstandings. So the relationships went no further. Right now, I just don't care anymore. If I find someone, then good for me. If not, then so what. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I think my major problem is that I dont know how to act understated about $. I dress understated most of the time but when u drive up in a 512TR or COuntach, well do I need say more ? | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Hey, just so nobody beats up on Willis. I have met him at a couple of FCA events here and he's a pretty decent guy. He may be unlucky in the women department, but that's according to him. He ain't dead yet so there is still a world of opportunity out there. Someone on this thread said that he met his wife when he wasn't looking for someone. I think that is usually how it works out. In my case I was actively NOT looking for someone. Married for 17+ years now... | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Willis, man, I had my share of racism here in Las Vegas....from all types. In fact my first experience here I was crossing the parking lot cross walk to go into a K-Mart (Hey! I was raised in Hawaii and there was no K-Mart LOL). This hunkering old beat up Ford F-150 and I swear, a gun rack on the rear windows, with the required bumper stickes haphazzardly stuck on and one of them was the NRA!!! Wasn't looking where he was going and almost ran me over. He braked, stepped out of his "cha-ruuk" and said "Y dunt ya look were ya goin' chink?" Whoa man... I was over whelemed. And me being an imprssionable 18 year old at the time wanted to give em a huge ass "stereotypical all asians know kung fu and karate" ass whupppin! I just stood there cracked a smile on my face and just started laughing and pointing at him like until my stomach hurt! He got back in his truck and dememded that I wait there so he could park his truck and said "I'm gonna sen u back tuh Mexico, Jaapaaaan, er where ever y'all come from!!!" I stopped laughing, ready for a fight but realy torn up inside and I told him "Hey man, I'm Filipino, my grandfather fought in World War II in a guerilla army helping out General McArthur in the Philippines. My dad served in Vietnam so your backwards ass can carry on the way you do you *explitive* *explitive* *explitive* but you didn't have to know that, I'm just some chink to you, isn't that right cowboy?!!" My fists were clenching, my face was warm, and I swear I was about to cry. He just drove away sticking out his middle finger in the end. Hey I wouldn't trade that for anything, I love real world experiences. I think I'm better off. May have been inmature at the time but things like that make me who I am today. Hell, it sure beats anything that ever happened in my small neck of the beach in Hawaii! | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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From my experience, I've dated all kinds of women. #1 A pre-med student in college, raised right, good Catholic girl, exclusive (expensive) college prep high school, picky parents who only wanted the best. Straight A's, and the type of smart not just memorizing the correct answer but why it's corret. Made a good study partner but loved the bad boys (I was the guy who turned into the eternal brother/friend) wound up pregnant, and with the bad boy...never went to med school. #2 Strong minded, independent, and free spirit young hottie. Ambitious and positive to a fault. Best mental stimulation cause she could carry on a conversation about anything. Major coke and weed head #3 Ohio girl, just moved to Vegas from a small town, worked in a factory. Real down to earth loved simple things in life. If nothing else, the one thing I remember about her was that she once said "Hey, I don't care, I'm not ashamed to shop at Wal-Mart" Good for her. Really liked her but her parents were closet racists and didn't like me. It wasn't overt racism, just pleasant sandwich phrases you know: Positive comment-negative comment-positive comment. When her daughter went missing (partying). All of a sudden I was the much loved soon to be son in law who had to go find her...come to find out it was all over me. Couldn't deal with the parents not liking me or me not being her parents ideal....too much drama. #4 Ex stripper, high ambitions to be a Veterinarian and Animal Trainer. Another small town girl from Connecticut. Loved all the things I loved, she made me laugh, I made her laugh. I couldn't get over the non exclusive dating thing. #5 Back in college, my brothers girlfriend's friend: Rich "princess", wonderful parents, had a bad boy rich "prince" boyfriend who broke off the Senior Prom date the DAY before the prom. As a favor, and as an opportunity, since I really liked her at the time. Rushed to rent a tuxedo and order a nice floral corsage or whatever before the prom. No money for a nice rent-a-car or limo so we took my track/street equipped GTI with dual 40mm Mikunis and Ansa exhaust, jerky short shift and a lingering smell of fuel through the firewall to the prom...no a/c. Tried to put my best foot forward, her parents liked me...she didn't...should've known, she missed her prince boyfriend too much...and she was kind of embarrassed stepping out of my car at the valet. She's still a princess living in San Francisco now daddy paying her way through dental school. Many more experiences too much for this post. My point being. All of these mishaps and bad experiences will eat at you. Go ahead!! Fume!! be angry, jaded, label all the women you want at first glance, JUDGE them!!! You will get tired after 10 minutes of it when you realize that again, it trips you, no doubt, get back on your damn feet and try again. Letting it eat at you will never find you someone...okay so it might, perhaps it will be short term or long term inside resentment. Step away, acknowlege, think, and move on. That's the only way to do it. Too simple and easier said then done? For sure- but that is just another challenge in life. I have my own "system" of dealing with the world in general and specifically the opposite sex. This changes some years constantly, other times I think I got most of the kinks worked out. But it's like a craft you keep trying to perfect it. Sorry if this sounds too Oprah and too simplistic but I'm sure you get my drift....hahahha....or maybe not | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Edward, You brought up a very good point in razzing me. You saw my photo. You see an Asian guy. So stereotypical assumptions of Asian guys arises. That is what I have to put up with all the time. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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I think it is possible to find a great woman. Most of the time it just happens when you don't expect it. We found each other. I wasn't really looking at the time. It just worked out. It was great. We both love Ferraris, music etc. She always listens to me when I play my guitar and we even worked on the 308 today together. I am very surprised when I hear that someones wife isn't too interested in her husband's Ferrari especially when that is her husband's passion. We bought our 308 together and she does just as much with it as I do. I think that Life is much better when you have someone to share it with. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Nika, I'm very, very sorry for the bad joke I posted. It seemed funny at the time and I was hasty in posting it without thinking. It was inappropriate and uncalled for. Please accept this appology and come back. Please? Willis | ||
| Mark (Study)
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The world has become too sensitive. I miss the old days when you could say what you think. ( or should I screen my every thought? Gets old after a while.) Sexual or Politicaly Correctness has turned the entire world into a Disney Movie. I miss a little chuckle at a dirty word once and a while. Give me a break! Lets have some fun. What ever happened to the man's man? I want my 007 to sleep with a bunch of women in his next movie. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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My point is, you still haven't appologized to Nika. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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That is my real photo, Ed. What's your point? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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That is my real name. Many other Northwest FCA members are on here knows who I am. My joke was a response to ernie. Unfortunately, Nika posted before I did. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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Rob hit the nail on the head with his dependent/independent woman quote. Thats why I dont date American women. Most women do seem quite shallow & materialistic though I'm sure there r a few who r not | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Good for you Nika, Obviously Mr. Willis Huang (if that's his real name) is not "mr. Well hung" (I'll bet thats his real photo though.) MMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm kind of makes you think? If I may speak for the majority of this chat room users, we need (and want) a womans input..... Will,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you got yours. | ||
| Mark (Study)
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I have 3 very funny female friends. They are all young and make lots of money (not bad looking either). They are also very un-happy. Seems all three want a man that makes more money then they do. The problem is these women are making $250k or more... not a lot of guys to hunt for in that "makes more then me range" LOL Why can't women feel like women unless they have a guy that makes more? As a man... I'm quite happy with a broke beauty queen. But not my female friends.. they hate life. I tease them all the time about this. I tell them.. go get that hunky fireman, or what about the cute guy that cuts the lawn. Women have something in there DNA that want a man that can buy dinners for them. And if there rich and use to going to realy fancy resturants... they can't date most guys. LOL | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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sorry but with that comment I'm thru with this chat | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Really? I thought all women wanted is a man with a big d!ck. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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I don't disagree with you Ernie - I wanted that too - when I was 18! But reality sets in -- saw too many of my friends lose out. So I built up my business, bought my own home and dream car. But in return - some people find independence like that intimidating - any answers to that? I won't generalize that all men are liars and cheaters if you don't generalize that all women are shallow and materialistic | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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I said my a-hole friends not me. What women want is security. See the ladies want the cinderella life. They want prince charming to sweep them off of their feet. Problem is that they keep kissing the frogs. Then get mad at the frog for beeing a frog and not a prince. lol. As for the "man" description lets see: provider, protector, father. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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The worst thing these days is the dependent independent women. She's very independent when it comes to doing chores and not giving back, but all of sudden they become needy when the bank is open. BTW, Jennie, I'm not talking about you dear. I've observed this in other wifes. ;) | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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Ahh you're not missing much, Nika. The drinks are overpriced, all the girls are hustling for a lap dance, you're in dark smokey room with a bunch of wide eyed drunk dudes, and you go home alone 99% of the time....oh and did I mention that the girls there are "fake" LOL | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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hahahahah - As much as my race friends/team have TRIED to get me to go - I have refused.........I can only imagine what goes on!!! Remember chase is another word for hunt, stalk, trail & shadow........I guess you guys get pursued as well. | ||
| Mark (Study)
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" PLEASE don't use the term "Chase" I envision a lion circling in on its' prey!!! " Nika Sorry Nika, guess you've never been inside a strip -club. Talk about men just sitting there quitely with that look a Loin gets when hes looking at his prey. LOL | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Nika, women probably enjoy the "chase". I'm getting too old for that. I've got better things to do. You're right. This place is about Ferraris. I think there's enough on my romantic failures on the 'net now so I'll just end the discussion here. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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oh you guys!!!! This isn't a "TeenBeat" ....or "Good Housekeeping" where we should be chatting about chicken recipes and relationships. I've added my "female" view on things as asked. I don't know why women date jerks - I learned my lesson. I've never dated a model-type guy (oh this is going to get me in trouble) but whomever I was with was the best looking to me.....and PLEASE don't use the term "Chase" I envision a lion circling in on its' prey!!! (throws hands up in the air) Nika PS - Anyone want to talk Ferraris again????? P-p-p-p-p-p-lease?????? LOL | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Chasing women is a waste of time and money. If I had stopped chasing women earlier, I'd probably have at least 3 Ferraris in the garage by now. | ||
| Mark (Study)
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Some examples.. I just stopped chasing women. Wanted to take some time for work and my business to expanded it. Now I have two Chicks ringing my phone off the hook. I keep ditching them and they keep calling back. (this is kind of neat) The more I don't want them the harder they're trying. On the "Why do women date jerks" I have a theory. As a woman if you are dating the biggest jerk in town... you figure you are protected from all the minor jerks in town. My thoughts on new topic - cars and happly married men. I think when a man finds a good woman and has a happy marriege.. the man turns his natural desires to chase and hunt sexy curvy things to exotic cars. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Yeah, what's the deal with women and jerks? Is it for the drama, the abuse, or something else? I know I don't stand a chance when a girl says I'm a nice guy or "my parents would like you a lot." . It's a death sentence. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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yeah Ernie - I've dated my share of them too - but how long does a girl put up with that? If she has any self worth - not for long. define "Man" in detail for me Ernie, I am curious. Nika | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Nika, I'm not one of those guys that chase "young supermodels". I'm not crazy. Sure, I like 'em pretty but there's gotta be something between the ears too. As for women asking "where are all the nice guys?" Well, If they stop looking for "hunks", they just might find someone. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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oh like I haven't been asked that question a million times!!! LOL This is why I won't do it:  not only did I have to wear a low-cut pewter green long gown that I will never wear again but any argument they had before the wedding - and now even after - I got the blame!!! LOL | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
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Ha ha ha, You guys kill me. I can tell you what a girls likes. They always go for the jerks. Why you ask? Cause these dudes could careless about them. Women like a guy that is a MAN. A guy that will say "cause is said so". I have learned this from watching my a##hole friends get the girl that every guy was staring at. Now the ladies my protest this, but hey I have seen this in action. As far as pleasing them well I will say this. The women love to have their mind tickled first and then .........well your smart. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
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nika why don't you help some of the single guys out by getting more racerchicks on the site to start some of those friendships | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Willis - the best relationships start from the best friendships. I can't tell you how many racerchicks ask me "where are all the nice guys? - I'm tired of dating a##h###." I don't know what to say......maybe they are all out pursuing "supermodels". I have a friend who has the worst luck with women - but it's because he wants to get serious with very young super models.....who after a short time get bored with him and take off for the next meal ticket.....like what was he expecting to happen??? his date:"I want to grow up to be a veterinarian - cause I love children so much (giggles)" I wish I had some logical explanation to the female Psyche - but I don't........we are human too. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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Ther eis only one way to love someone and that is with all your heart. This will leave you vounerable but will give you the full meaning of love. Yes, you can get hurt and there is/was disappointment, but the benefit is just so much better! No rush though. When the time is right. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Ken said: "Willis, just find the girl that's more important than your Ferrari to you." Thanks Ken. But that's only in one direction, isn't it? If the girl doesn't feel that I'm important enough for her, then what is the point? At least I could derive enjoyment out of driving and taking care of my Ferrari. My Ferrari depends on me for care and exercise. It's a clear cut relationship. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Thank you guys for the pep talk. If I have it all, I'd be just like William H. But I'm not in his league yet. Hehe... Sure, having a chick to talk to and share would be nice. Been there. Done that. That kind of relationship got me rejected many, many times (gotta see someone else try to handle rejections in 5 different languages in 4 countries). Problem with that is when I get chummy with girls in that way, they start to treat me like a girlfriend. I'd feel much better if they treat me like a boyfriend. If it sound defeatist, perhaps it is that. Over the years, doing all the right things for women in persuit of a relationship have gotten me nowhere. So how else am I supposed to think? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
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well said martin | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
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I understand where Willis is coming from. Women can be as screwed up as men with their priorities, and we all need to find a woman (or man) who's top priority is the relationship. Most men and lots of women don't do that. Job and money come first, and the partner resents that so that poisions the relationship. Willis, just find the girl that's more important than your Ferrari to you. (Oohh...did I blaspheme??? Where's Martin?) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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I agree with Margoo here: Being agressive will do only one thing. In business it will give you a fast deal but nothing further and looking at the whole picture you will lose. In terms of women it will get you laid once but when the exitement is over and the hormones retract you feel shitty, she feels shitty and you are out there the next eve for another pick up. To whomever this sounds glorious, it is not. After 30/month I realized that this is NOT it. No fun because you really do not talk to either. This is why I am married for 9 years. Just needed a "chick" to talk to, to share. In bad days you share the sorrow which makes it easier to bear, in good days you share the fortune and that makes it 200% more fun. It is a win-win situation. I respect William and everybody else for their views on this subject though. Been there, done that. You guys will find Mrs. Right one day and find out what I mean. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
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Be yourself. Be an honest, respectful person with honor and dignity. Always treat others as you would want to be treated. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
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I disagree that nice guys finish last. I can't offer advice on what will work for other people, but I can tell you what works for me. I try to be honest and courteous with all people all of the time. When someone is talking to me I listen instead of thinking what I will say next. I am not an aggressive person, rather I am fair and decisive. I try to put a good deal of thought into dates and gifts. I expect the same things from those around me and those I deal with and I do believe that most people are "good at heart". I have been lucky enough to have had a series of fantastic girlfriends. I have never been confused for a movie star, I don't have my own Gulfstream at my beck and call, and I rarely lavish my girlfriends with expensive gifts. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, read some of your comments. Very defeatist. You have it all and don't realize it. Maybe that is the problem. BRGDS. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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You know, I look at myself in the mirror and don't see anything wrong with me. No financial problems. Own a Ferrari. Plenty of time each day to enjoy various activities. Nice to people most of the time. Funny guy. Good family. So what's not to like? It's baffling and very fustrating. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Ok Willis, So now you learned something. You sound like someone who has the world by the ass and doesn't know it. Like yourself which it seems apparant you don't. BRGDS. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Oh yeah, of course there's a fine line in which you shouldn't cross. I've gotten my ass "kicked" a few times. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, That is true to some extent. If it is obvious that you are too agressive and a world beater it can also give you a "kick in the ass." There is a fine line here which succesful people have to learn. What do you think? | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Magoo, in certain parts of the world, being aggressive in business is the only way to get respect. Nice guy routine would only get you a pat on the back. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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All I could say is, so far, my efforts at relationships have all been wasted. I figured why waste more energy and money on women when I could enjoy something I wanted for a long, long time. A Ferrari! I don't think my 360 would say that I'm passive. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Willis, I gotta tell ya that in the business world a guy who comes on as a world beater,aggresive, loses more than he gains. It becomes obvious to a seasoned business person. In relationships? Well it depends on who you are trying to impress. A woman who has her head screwed on right will spot that attitude in a second and give you the goodbye signal. Just calm down, be yourself and don't try to change the social world overnight. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Willis - that is not true. In business I am nice but I shoot straight and won't be pushed around - therefore respected. There is a dfference in being nice and losing your self worth. Women can get bored with passiveness ( can be mistaken for being nice "yes dear") respect and kindness will get you far...especially with a girl who's worth the effort. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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In the real world being a "nice guy" doesn't cut it. Whether it's relationships or business, you gotta be aggressive. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Hey, be thankful it's only butt prints and nothing extra. | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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I hate it when I come back to the Ferrari and there's a big set of boob prints smeared on the window after I cleaned it. Why can't women check the car out without touching it.... hey wait a second those could have been somone's butt prints!!!! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Markg, That's a riot. Reminds me of the redneck who said he wanted a woman 3ft. tall and with a flat head. The other guy says, why a flat head? Redneck says, someplace to set my beer. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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I don't think my black 360 get any attention from women. If it's screaming red or yellow it probably will. But that's not my reason for getting a Ferrari. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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Sorry, Hit the button twice. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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It can be summed up in one statement. "To thine own self be true." Sounds corny but there is a lot of truth in that statement to having a happy life. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
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It can be summed up in one statement. "To thine own self be true." Sounds corny but there is a lot of truth in that statement to having a happy life. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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BTW - we can talk Ferrari's now - speaking about fake - I had a woman leave her card on my car - I wonder if she thought it was a guy driving it not that I was a FEMALE owner and I don't play her side...... | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Please - don't be fake - it has nothing to do with being fake. SHe's not the right girl if you are different in the way you act around her then when you are around your friends. My writing was to give insight........ not to offend anyone and really nice guys don't finish last...... | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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"Fake" and "being yourself" it's all relative. To be sure, life is dynamic, for the most part and you really can't say you are the same person (to a certain extent) that you were at any given point. Can survivors of Sept. 11 say they are the same person? Life changing dramatic events need not take place and change is gradual- experience is a Godsend to change. Being fake is the easist thing to see. You can play along with it to get what you want; but for the most part, in the long run, let's hope, that change and experience brings you to being yourself | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Years ago, a lot of women just think I'm just too nice (man, I hated that!). And we all know that nice guys finishes last (or never). So to get what I wanted, I had to play the game. It's not about being fake. I'm still myself but just more edgy. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
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Why does this question even matter? I fail to see the point in trying to be someone else. •••• it, be yourself. I HATE people who are "fake" | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Very interesting topic. Done the "nice guy" thing and the "bad boy" thing. I dont' think women know what they REALLY want. And they change their minds so often I just get a headache and leave. Pretty much gave it up and focus on Ferraris these days. Try to anyway... | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
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Nika - your "Car Care & Dating Tips" ... that just rocks! =D | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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"closing the sale" hmmmmmmm (curious gaze) I never thought a date was similar to buying a vacuum? Must be a California thing I guess | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Hey, wait a minute, I live only 45mi north of Co Springs! (Guess I need to stop showering.) I think all you guys w/ a Ferrari & w/o a date this Saturday, need to read Nika's post, print Nika's post, memorize Nika's post. ( and I'm studying it too, I'm also working on that "Gift" thing.) Help, and really most women see the car and can't remember what kind it was. Ford? Lambo? ??????? what's up with that? | ||
| Reiner Kaiser (Reinerkaiser)
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here's my input based on a decade of dating in L.A.: -to pick up, never mention you drive a Ferrari, chicks will immediately think you're a poser. Instead be confident. It's your attitude that matters. Of course it helps to be tall with hair and in shape. -when going on the first date, chicks LOVE to ride in the ferrari. no question about it. at that point it really helps when "closing the sale"... | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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Here in Colorado Springs, to be a 'chick magnet' you must: Drive a pickup; chew tobbaco; be un- or under employed; have years of education that can be counted on your fingers (thumbs excluded); have a cowboy hat sewn to your scalp; lack ambition, goals, class or sophistication of any measure; house must have wheels ( I actually had one date refer to my Victorian house as 'that building'); | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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REMEMBER _ These are MY opinions - not necessarily those of others... Here' goes it: Age: Young or old a woman like a man to be responsible yet still have a love of life like a child. I mean - be responsible and mature but at appropriate times be silly. KNow how to tie your own shoelaces, manage your life yet when the right time - play with your slot car set or watch a cartoon. Age is just a number - for those out there who are "older" try to stay fit.....not obsessively so. Age isn't that important to a women. Sex- times per day, skill, amount, # of people involved: NO COMMENT Job: As long as the job is somthing you love to do it will reflect in your attitude on a whole. A Good garbageman is better than a bad doctor.....so whatever you do - try to be the best at it. Education: A PhD - that's fine but be smart enough to know that Manual Labor is NOT the president of Mexico. Fitness: Jog 20 miles a day - die anyway ...but be fit and active. Obviously a man that takes pride in his appearance is sexy. Some women do like a bit of bulk/chubbiness - it gives that huggable quality Assertiveness-ability to talk to any woman anywhere, anytime: Yes and no - Know who you are - but don't be pushy. House: PLEASE if praying for a nuclear disaster so you can rebuild - describes your place - CLEAN IT UP. You don't need to have flowers or pot pourri to make it attractive to a woman.....but a tub ring is disgusting. Experience: In what? Travel: In my case -I love to travel and hear others stories - I don't know how important this would be for others. I love a surprise road trip! Car: I am SO BIASED HERE!! Yes a car is important - who wants to be taken out on the bus......even if you don't own a fancy car - respect them - keep them clean and don't try to pick up a girl with a babyseat in the bak - then you are just scum. (speaking from experience - like I couldn't see the truth) Boat: Nice if you live close to water and enjoy it. Chicks dig it if they are into it. Plane: Chicks dig it if they are into it. Bike:Chicks dig it if they are into it. Sports: Racing - why yes...very important......To play sports is important if you don't over do it - some "away" time to do your own thing is appreciated by some women. these other factors have also been suggested Hygiene: VERY IMPORTANT: NEED I SAY MORE Kissing up: You make a mistake - you own up to it.....Most women are pros at "milking" the situation - so beat them to the punch and kiss up first Gifts: This is tricky. Gifts and tokens of affection are great. Most women are sentimental to a fault. BUT - here I say this - DON"T ORDER RED ROSES (unless it's her favorite) Why? Because anyone can do that in 4 min by phone - find out what her favorite flower is - MAKE SOME EFFORT. Pick wildflowers - and the most important part of this - if she doesn't appreciate your effort - you should look elsewhere for a mate because she's not a good person. Effort, time - all these things are mean more. The best gifts I've ever received (Both expensive or not) are the ones that were thought out. One thing you failed to mention and is what women really DIG - a sense of humour. This is what you can conquer the world with in a female's eye. Give this a lot of weight. I hope this helps - Don't forget to name your first born after me - Check out my car care and dating tips story on racerchicks.com if you'd like......http://www.racerchicks.com/Chick%20Pick/CP_Nika_carcare.html Sorry about the spelling - I'm swamped here at work Good luck guys | ||
| James P. Smith (Tigermilk)
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Based on my experience in marrying my high school sweetheart, it definitely couldn't have been $, job, fitness, house, experience, travel, car, boat, plane, bike, or sports. Of course, my wife is low maintenance compared to many women. I'm thankful for getting a down to earth woman. If you have a chance, try to check out a show called 'Elimi-Date.' The concept is that a man or woman goes out with 4 members of the opposite sex at once and throughout the date reduces the number until his/her final choice. I've seen it a couple of times and it's actually pretty entertaining. | ||
| Mark (Study)
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Some times its not a good idea to find out what women think. I took my girlfriend to a small dinner party for my friend that just picked up his 360 spyder. As we walked up the driveway that Saturday afternoon... the silver beautyful car was proudly sitting in the driveway with the top down. I didn't say anything, just to see what reaction my girlfriend would have to this incredable machine. She bent over and looked into the driver side mirror, fixed her lip stick and then looked at me and said... okay ready to go in? 1) Good Conversation 2) fashion sence ... 157) Kind of car you drive | ||
| Danny R. West (Dan_West348ts)
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From my experience I believe the #1 thing is the way you make a woman feel when you talk to her. I was a soldier for 7 years and did not have a dime. I made many women from around the world feel good. The other things are superficial. Most women look at eyes and butt first. Everything else is frosting. The large majority of women in the world know within the first 30 seconds if they are going to sleep with you or not. That's before they see your car. Of course some women will sleep with you because they think you have money. However, let a smoothe talking dude come along and watch her bail from your camp. That's my 2 cents worth. Dan | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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I like whatever, as long as she goes | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
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From my experience in talking to women, the most desirable would be confidence not arrogance and easy to talk to...I've had my share of "high maintanence" and "what ever goes" kinda ladies. Those qualities seem to transcend all types. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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what happened to good looks, companionship, inteligent conversation, discussion on politics and (my favorate) religion ? am I missing something here? am I too old? Nika, hello, anybody...(starring through the empty Chatroom) | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
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Oh my - if I tell you guys this - I'll be thrown out of the female sisterhood!!!! THIS info is like the holy grail!!! hang on - let me think about this - do you guys REALLY NEED the scoop? Nika | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
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I'm trying to form a CDI to see where all our guy stuff fits in, Nika your input is sorely needed here Ok this is complicated cus we have many factors to weigh not the least of which is the female mind LOL So what weight do we give to these factors? $ Age Sex- times per day, skill, amount, # of people involved Job Education Fitness Assertiveness-ability to talk to any woman anywhere, anytime House Experience Travel Car Boat Plane Bike Sports these other factors have also been suggested Hygiene Kissing up Gifts |