| Author | Message | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
|
I didnt read the whole post, but if im hauling ass i cross, i cant see how u could shuffle. When i finish reading the book im reading about driving techniques (i highly recomend it) i;ll tel you what ross bently has to say about it | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
|
Is it this book?? http://www.racerchicks.com/motor/bookreview%20Senna.html | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
|
I agree Michael, I always pratice my toe and heel downshifts when driving the jeep. It just makes things more interesting. | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
|
chris cummings - I have the same book, too bad its out of print! I prefer using that technique by pushing "over the wheel" (best way I can describe it) than pulling. You feel quite a bit more. That's my take. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
|
I tried crossing today, just by entering and exiting tight freeway on and off ramps and corners. (Got to have some fun while you work)....I like it! | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
|
That's interesting. I've been advised to always pull down. For example, taking a left turn with hands at 9&3, pull down with the left hand and when the right hand hits 12 then pull down with that hand. The reason behind it being you're using gravity to your advantage and use less effort/energy and less fatiguing. | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
|
Just read this in a book on race driving principles by Ayrton Senna: going into a turn, the OUTSIDE hand exerts the pressure while the inside hand follows. Exiting the turn, the INSIDE hand straightens it out and the outside hand follows. Interesting...can't wait to try it out. I always kept them equal. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
|
I do a little of both actually. Sometimes I shuffle when the turn is small but when I come on to a large turn at high speeds I will cross-over. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
|
I cross racing, but I set up for the cross. If I have a sharp turn right, then I'll do a Left at 6 and Right at 12. | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
|
Steve, What a GREAT video!! I watched it three times - great to study his technique. I just finished Kart Racing School and it's funny how you can almost get cavalier once you get back into a car after driving something that handles like an F-1. You can definitely see that in Michael's driving/countenance. Cool stuff - thanks for the link. ~C | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
|
2:30 and 9:30 positions for me, and I don't really do either one. I try my best to avoid shuffling - really don't care for that technique, and as far as crossing, only if the turn really necessitates such a move, or else, I prefer to use both my hands and twist them up. That's just my style. Of course, it all depends on the car, and the steering ratio - so if the ratio is quite large, then crossing would be my preferred option. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
|
He's definitely a crosser, he does it in a 360 video I have with an in car shot. You figure that you never have to shuffle in a go kart or F1 car so you get used to that cross over feeling. | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
|
It looks like schumacher is a crosser. In the video where he's driving the maserati spyder around fiorano, he's at 9 & 3 until 180 degrees. http://www.maseratispyder.com/schumi/schumi_low.mpg | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
|
The only time I regularly move my hands fast is when it's snowing and I'm doing donuts in the jeep or getting the rear end out and bringing it back in. With the relatively light steering when I need to really turn fast I kind of shuffle, but it's so fast that I think I cross over a little too. Normal driving I always cross over. In the Ferrari I cross over all the time because it's easier with no power steering. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
|
I am still recouperating from surgery after using cross instead of shuffle on a U-turn at the Beach. The doctor said my bones would heal okay give another 3 months...  | ||
| chris cummings (Entelechy)
|
After months of experimenting, I've found it's easiest for me to do both depending on the corner. I prefer to cross - as previously mentioned, MUCH more control at 9 & 3, plus you always know where "straight ahead" is at any point in the corner. The precision it allows (which really counts at higher speeds) is amazing. If the corner is too sharp or you can't hit the apex correctly using the cross, I'll slide one hand up to 12 (right or left depending on the corner) and that is usually enough to pull through the corner and slide back to 9 or 3 at the end. Finally, if the corners are really tight (like driving through parking garages or parking), I'll shuffle. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
|
Sure seems like Momo put perfect thumbhooks at 9 and 3 on my car. | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
|
For me it depends on the size of the steering wheel and how I am positioned in the car. I have a tendency to sit toooooo close to the wheel (every instructor mentiones this) so 8-4 might not be as comfortable - in cars where I am sitting back - I'll try it. | ||
| David Prall (Davidpra)
|
Hey Nika: I can dig your loyalty to 9 & 3. Try going a little lower sometime (no inference intended) -- give 4 & 8 (palms up) a try -- let me know what you think. It's much more relaxed than 9 & 3, and gives a greater response range than 10 & 2. It will feel a bit insecure at first, but with practice you can even use it on the track (no chicanes, though). | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
|
lol , where is martin??? | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
|
Hey - Don't tell me YOUR parents never sent you off to Cub Scouts or something.....I had tap, jazz, ballet, guitar, art classes....just to name a few! (Hitting head on desk for what I've written.... and the comments I'm in store for...sniff sniff) Then of course - the CAR BUG hit me..... | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
|
Hey Nika, I think now we all want to know if you cross or shuffle when tap dancing? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
|
I'll wait for Martin's comments on Nika's post | ||
| Peter Connolly (Mondial_32_Aus)
|
Cross to the max up to 300degrees on one arm..180degrees on 2. PC | ||
| Nika (Racernika)
|
Thank Gawd! For a second there I thought you were talking TAP DANCING !!! I do both - in a race car with tight steering I cross - when I'm cruising I'll shuffle. I don't care what anyone says - but 9 & 3 position works great for me......without a death grip but still holding firmly. Nika | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
|
Mostly crossing since my car lock to lock is very few turns indeed (72 Lotus Europa). "Air bag"??? What the heck is that? | ||
| Najib Amanullah (Najib)
|
Cross for better, more accurate control and quicker response, specially with non power assissted steering. I only ever shuffled to pass my UK driving test and have not done that since. | ||
| Peter S�derlund/328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
|
Crossing. Faster, more control, no airbag, no problem. A finnish rally driver was asked about his brakeing technique. "Well, verry little and verry selldom" Ciao Peter | ||
| Brian stewart (Eurocardoc)
|
Shuffle | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
|
I shuffle. | ||
| Michael (Mtabije)
|
I shuffle, crossing feels awkward | ||
| SteveF (Stevef)
|
Not a ferrari question, but one on driving technique. When turning do you tend to cross your arms or shuffle your hands ? At one point or another I've been advised to use each. Crossing the arms allows for quick countersteering, but is a problem if the airbag deploys. Shuffling makes it harder to countersteer but no airbag worries. So what do you do ? |