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magoo (Magoo)
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Username: Magoo

Post Number: 2802
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 10:28 pm:   

I checked with Palo Alto and they will take your old dial and do the art work,silk screening,for $75.00 + UPS, you R&R and install dial. Their email is info@paspeedo.com .
stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
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Username: Ethans_dad

Post Number: 10
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 8:07 pm:   

k it was the 80 model year. Vince mentioned he restored his speedo and I think he owns a 80 GTB. If so, it probably only affected that year, since you inspected 81's, and I'm looking at the 82. I'm sure all of the 83QV's are clear of this mess.
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Username: Rrm

Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 7:41 pm:   

Thank you Stephen this makes sense both cars I looked at were 81's
stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 7:29 pm:   

Robert:
I made the same observations in my search for my 308 too, and from what I gather, it is all related to a short DOT regulation set back in the 80's. I'm not sure which year it was, but some time back between 82~85? the DOT decided to restrict ALL speedos to a max. of 80 on all cars for the North American market (In a attempt to keep driving speeds down) You will see this on P-cars,etc. too. As for the 308, all of the cars upto the 82 GTS/Bi I have inspected have had a proper 180mph speedo. I think the DOT restriction only lasted a year or two at most, so the number of cars is actually pretty small. The carb cars all have 180 speedos since they even older. Hope this helps.
Vince Canipelli (F308vc)
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Username: F308vc

Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:43 pm:   

A Euro would show mileage in Kilometers and not miles, so you would know just by that if it was not a USA model. Just look for cars with a history of paper verifying service and all work done on car. that will give a indication of mileage also.
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Username: Rrm

Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:28 pm:   

Stu I checked for the telltale signs to see if they were euro such as round side mirrors, round turn signals on front bumpers, exh cover, front grille ,etc. and they had none of these.
magoo (Magoo)
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Username: Magoo

Post Number: 2792
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:28 pm:   

Robert, I see your point. What you are thinking is if the dial was changed then surely the mileage was altered. This is not necessarly the case because they could have altered the mileage and left the old dial in the speedo. as orig. This would better convince you that it had not been altered.
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Username: Rrm

Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:23 pm:   

I agree Vince. Mileage is only a small factor IMO as the overall condition and apperance of a car tells the true story. That is a beautiful gtb you have.
stu cordova (Balataboy)
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Username: Balataboy

Post Number: 215
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:18 pm:   

Could be what you are seeing are "Euro" models - which had only the 180 speedo's. I think the "true" mile issue is a farce - I would bet as many as 7 out of 10 308's miles are NOT accurate! I know mine are not!
Vince Canipelli (F308vc)
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Username: F308vc

Post Number: 21
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:16 pm:   

Mileage is not affected if speedometer was done as mine was. Ask for verification!!! The old 80mph face has a stem sticking out at 80 and actually stops there. I had mine redone right away. Screw keeping something that dumb original. I would actually look for a 308i that has had it changed!!
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Username: Rrm

Post Number: 8
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:02 pm:   

The reason I asked was in looking at a car to purchase not having the original speedo will result in the car not having the true miles on it. I guess it is irrelevant anyways as I have heard so often how easy the speedos are to disconnect. I like the 180 one better also Vince!
Vince Canipelli (F308vc)
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Username: F308vc

Post Number: 20
Registered: 2-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 10:49 pm:   

Alot of 308 owners, including myself, had the speedometers changed to 180 mph. I had mine done by Palo Alto Speedometers for $170. You can't live with the 80mph speedometer. Palo Alto changes the face and recalibrates it. Best $170 I've spent on my car!!!
Robert McNair (Rrm)
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Username: Rrm

Post Number: 7
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 10:35 pm:   

I was under the impression that pre qv models had 80 m.p.h. speedos with a red line after the 80 but I noticed 2 81 gtb's with the 180 speedo on ebay. Are the 80 m.p.h. speedos on the pre fuel inj. cars only?

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