| Author | Message | ||
| RM Valher (Rmv)
Junior Member Username: Rmv Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2002 |
Yes, Boeing was very fortunate that the design flaw was picked up; the square windows that worked on the piston airliners were not such a good idea on a pressurised passenger jet. The method by which the Brits discovered the design flaw was rather ingenious. Starting with a real Comet, they used massive water tanks to simulate flight cycles (cabin pressurisation and then depressurisation) whilst flexing the wings to simulate load, until something went kaput. Needless to say they were quite surprised to find the cracks in the fuselage orginating from the cabin window design when the plane finally suffered metal fatigue. The testing was so accurate that the test Comet failed at roughly the equivalent number of cycles of those completed in real life by the ill-fated Comets that crashed. The design flaw was corrected (witness the oval shaped pax windows of pressurised airliners/bizjets)and the Comets served up until the mid to late eighties (I believe) without incident. But the damage to the reputation of the Comet (and to a lesser but still notable extent the British aviation industry) has seen America rule the roost ever since, with the exception of Airbus Industrie (a European conglomerate). With that all said, I must admit America make really beautiful jet aircraft, the Gulfstream GIV/GV range especially. The sexiest business jets ever IMO. Hope this post isn't too far off topic! | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 478 Registered: 6-2001 |
Stephen: The comet failed because the engineers failed to take into account the expansion/contraction around the windows, and the area around the windows would get fatigue, and blow out. Because the Comet flew at higher altitudes than the old piston powers crap that was being flown, this was a new factor. Boeing wasn't smart enough to do that on their own, but did a re-design when the Comet's problems became known. Sure did put the Brits out of the Airplane business though. Art | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 305 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ferrarijoe...LOL! Same here -- the last time I'm checking in on this thread as well -- taking way to long to load (and I'm on DSL!) just to read a bunch of nonsense. Like I said before, beautiful car JScott!! | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2002 |
J Scott leonard, on the contrary, you bit! You must have suffered as a young lad with the affliction of always having to have the last word I guess. Go on you know you need to! | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 235 Registered: 5-2001 |
This is the last time I look at this thread. It took almost 8 minutes to load! I wish I had Art's high-speed access  | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 221 Registered: 11-2001 |
Sorry guys, I was trying to make a point the hard way... | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2002 |
If 308qvs' drop below 10 grand I'm gettin' 3 of em! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2287 Registered: 5-2001 |
I am a prick. I can not resist. This was just e-mailed to me. My shirt in a heated discussion about the prices of the 308QV dropping below $10,000 in the next few months. Moroso 5/2002 - enjoy -  | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 476 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hey: With the new insults increasing the length of this thread, those without DSL will be pissing and moaning about the time it takes to load this thread. Those broadband challenged folk will start their own chat with threads limited to 1 posting. The death of FerrariChat. Art | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2286 Registered: 5-2001 |
J Scott, I hope so too, unfortunately that does not take a whole lot to look better than me  | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 116 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dave: Nobody bit yesterday and I hope that no one bites today. Give it up. By the way Martin: I too am one of those "so called Christians". Hopefully many of us have conducted ourselves with dignity and grace. Anyway, I only share a hot tub with my wife! I'm sure she is much better looking than you. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2281 Registered: 5-2001 |
If that is not personal.... Stephen, this could very well bring the DEATH OF FERRARICHAT! Personal attacks, stereotyping because he is Britisch.... From most of your comments I can only see that Frank is really doing what he is preaching. Much respect for that Frank. All you other so called Christians will be sitting next to me in Hell's HotTub and if only for the comments that most of you made here. You might want to send a personal e-mail to Frank and ask how he is handling himself that well. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 217 Registered: 11-2001 |
It's a reference to the Comet airliner, England's first commercial jet airliner. They were pulled from service after a series of crashes attributed to design flaws. The Boeing 707 then became the aircraft of choice throughout the 60's and into the 70's. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 86 Registered: 5-2002 |
What does it say on an atheist' tombstone? ALL DRESSED UP AND NOWHERE TO GO Did Dave design the mercury comet? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 975 Registered: 9-2001 |
In the end there will be no atheist. Even those in hell will believe by then, just a little late. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 216 Registered: 11-2001 |
FerrariJoe, I'm sure Dave is an Aeronautical Engineer. Probably designed the Comet. England has a high percentage of athiests. Too bad they can't learn to keep their mouths shut. Dave, if you don't like it you can kiss my "arse" | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2002 |
Its called a sense of humour Fjoe, lighten up man for christ sake...oh damn there we go again its that C word! There go those keyboards again, take cover! Oh, forgot to mention in amongst all that hipocracy, get those darned wing badges off the car and it would look even better, go on bite, you know you want to. | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2001 |
Dave, I am starting to believe that you are NOT an Aeronautical Engineer as you state in your profile. I would think that one should have some brains to be one and apparently, you do not. Joe | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 223 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why????????? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 403 Registered: 4-2002 |
dave why must you start again.??.just let a sleeping dog lie... nice car jscott nice day, bruce | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 114 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dave: Don't even go there again. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2002 |
I thought the red interior with white car looked really good, even though its not a combo I would have thought would look good together. Ditch that bloody plate surround though, far too controversial. It covers over the California part of the plate too! | ||
| RM Valher (Rmv)
Junior Member Username: Rmv Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2002 |
I find the hypocrisy displayed in this thread absolutely astounding. I would not know where to begin. BTW, nice car, love the colour combination JScott. | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Anyone think this will top the record of 600 something posts on Will's "Where doid you come from, how did you get there......." post? From the original poster of that thread I will NOT allow that to happen BTW: How come no one stocks the Pirelli Rossa Corsas?? | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 462 Registered: 6-2001 |
JSCOTT: I thought I'd try the "C" for giggles. As for my hourly, I do need to raise the rate, I just ordered my Yellow/Black 360 (March 2003 delivery). Art | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
New member Username: Me_k Post Number: 46 Registered: 5-2002 |
Very nice car BTW, I converted a non-believer yesterday. He had an RX7 years ago, but he had left the flock and has been driving an SUV since then. He was leaving for a new job and had only one day left to work. While we were talking I realized he had never had a ride in the Ferrari. I had to twist his arm a little he was busy, but I got him in the car and we headed out. I could see a smile starting to grow as we left the traffic circle and buy the time we got to the first power slide it had grown ear to ear. When we got back he told me his face just plain hurt from smiling, something he had forgotten how to do in his SUV. This morning at work he stopped by to tell me had discussed buying a Ferrari with his wife and wanted advise on what model might be best for him. He was truly saved. Oops, wrong faith | ||
| mephistopheles (Mephistopheles)
New member Username: Mephistopheles Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2002 |
I happen to like the red interior! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1103 Registered: 6-2001 |
Its probably got some stains in it if you work in it though. | ||
| Bak-a-lack-a Bak-a-lacka-lacka ! (Chris_n_chicago)
New member Username: Chris_n_chicago Post Number: 47 Registered: 3-2002 |
Campen, you f.u.c.k ! I have red interior! It's cool! | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Junior Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 234 Registered: 9-2001 |
Love that red interior | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2660 Registered: 2-2001 |
LOL. Some things never change I guess. When I saw the 247 posts I was betting on it being a religion post. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 70 Registered: 5-2002 |
Man, I just logged on after not having a chance to last night first I see Ferrari's suck then I see the got a camera etcc.. post hit 246!! Wow!! I gotta catch up! Gotta love this board and I know you are kidding Harlan right??!! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 111 Registered: 1-2002 |
One thing is for sure, Darwin now knows for sure which of us are right! Art: "Not rich enough", my plane or my 355? Gee, I will loan you my enclosed trailer if you are hurting. Maybe you will have to raise your hourly. We have a small room at the house in Carmel. Bring your sleeping bag. Hope to see you there. (subtle, I like how you slipped in the C in JScott.) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2251 Registered: 5-2001 |
<lol> DARWIN is so close to MARTIN ! | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 226 Registered: 7-2001 |
Martin, I actually prefer this one......  | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2245 Registered: 5-2001 |
Art, I suggest you get this one and then you guys park them next to each other, take a picture and start a new threat: "Just got a camera PART II"  | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 458 Registered: 6-2001 |
JCSCOTT: I probably will come down to Monterey for the concourse. The issue is: take the Baron or the Ferrari? The Baron takes 30 minutes to get there, but then you have to rent a car, and won't have the Ferrari (I'm not rich enough to have the Ferrari trucked down, while I fly). The Ferrari takes 1.75 hours, and there is always the risk that my ego will get the better of my sense (what little I have) and I'll get another ticket. Probably gonna take the Ferrari, and make the wife drive? (NOT LIKELY, letting her drive that is, she claims she can't drive a stick shift) I'll keep you posted. If I bring the Ferrari, I'll have a special plate holder on it just for you. Art | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 215 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rob, Please end this thread somehow! It has completely forgotten the real purpose of this site. Hell, round two has already started in Chapter two, verse one of THEOLOGICAL PREACHERS FOR F-CAR OWNERS. WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END?????????????? | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 455 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm a Bruceist too. Or a Kenist? I happen to think everyone should have a personal God, not just us. What's the point of having someone else's God that may be a stupid God? Mine is no dumber than I am which I can't say about that one in the Bible. He has some real issues dealing with human vices! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2241 Registered: 5-2001 |
You believe in your own (Bruce's) Ideas and Ideals, thus creating your own religion, which makes you your own God. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 392 Registered: 4-2002 |
MARTIN WHAT IS A "BRUCEIST" MAYBE IM NOT FOLLOWING THANKS--- BRUCE | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2238 Registered: 5-2001 |
Terry you may want to look into Martinism. Art and Bruce are basically Martinists, or because you can not really join my religion, Bruce is a Bruceist and Art is an Artist (not a Van Gough, I just could not write Arteist, that would be misunderstood as well..LOL) | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 108 Registered: 1-2002 |
Doug, Art and Melo Yelo: Guys, not to worry, I still love my car regareless what others think. I have come to understand that when people worry about what others think about them, they are surprised to know how seldom others think about them at all. Every time I dust my car off and come to the license plate frame, I am going to just smile. Hey, who else has generated such a prolific thread by just posting a few pictures of his car? Art: Are you going to the Concorso Italiano in Carmel this August? If so, I would love to meet you there. I will even let you polish my license plate frame! It should be a great event. Check out the web site at www.concorso.com Regards, Scott | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 452 Registered: 10-2001 |
Terry, I find your opinions very refreshing! Even though I don't find 'a personal relationship with Jesus' comprehendable in the slightest (or relevant to the true religion of man), you seem to have an enlightened point of view on Christian morality in general. I wish important religious leaders thought it out as thoroughly as you have instead of primarily pushing personal agendas.. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 87 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ken said: "The problem I have with Christianity and religion in general is they all never live up to their own ideals. We see that with the Catholis now with their scandel. It seems to me, living your whole life to prepare for when you're dead is a stupid waste of time. God gave us life to live, not to waste trying to go to some concept of immortality. Church make a wonderful social club but I don't find a lot of religion there." There is a fundamental misconception of Christianity here. Going to church all the time, devoting all of your waking hours to church related service, giving every penney you have to the church and never committing even a single sin would NOT make you a Christian. Christ taught that it is not deeds that make the difference. Sure, the Bible is full of wisdom related to how you should lead your life but its clearly NOT how well you live up to these guides that determine whether or not you have a personal relationship with Christ. My advice to anyone would be to read and study the bible for yourself and DO NOT buy into US popular cultures interpretation of Christianity. I believe the bible clearly teaches that God agrees with your idea that life has been give to live and enjoy to the fullest. Also, true Christianity teaches that its not the supposed morality of the religious that will lead to salvation, in fact its the exact opposite. The fact is NOBODY, not even the Pope, is capable of living a perfectly moral life. Christianity is about the fact that God loves us in spite of our imperfect nature and that he loved us so much that he sacrificed his own son to pay for our immorality. I dont live my whole life just to prepare for when I am dead. I do my best to enjoy life every day to the fullest. This includes driving my Ferrari, having the occassional drink of fine scotch whisky or smoking a good cigar, seeing a good movie ect ect ect. There is nothing in the bible that says you cannot enjoy the better things in life. On the contrary, it says that God wants to reward us with worldly blessings. Unfortunatly there are many in the "religious" community who like to downplay this in order to impose their own beliefs. Another quick point, Gods forgiveness does not absolve the guilty of worldly judgement. I hope the guilty catholic parties in these scandals are brought to justice and made to pay for their crimes. I am certainly not slamming anyone who chooses to simply not believe in God, heaven or hell or any afterlife at all. That is your choice. I believe God has given us all the free will to live as we want and make our own choices. I once did not believe in God at all and am thankful that now I feel Gods love and have a personal relationship with Christ. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 77 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Where did you come up with the conclusion that profanity of any kind excluding blasphemy is incorrect in religion? Many of you have very little understanding of Christianity IMHO...I am sorry to say that I have lost respect for many of you. " Richelson, I think you got jumped-on for the profanity because it showed you not to be the pure, holier than thou person you pretend to be and exposed you as the classless, mediocre person you really are. You may have an understanding of Christianity (or maybe not) but you lack the understanding or willingness to be a decent human being. Try to master that before preaching to the masses. I pray for the people who are close to you and have to be exposed to your hypocritical dribble for more than a few seconds at a time. Why have you lost respect for some people who've responded to this thread? Are you admitting that you don't respect people with different religious views than you? Big Surprise. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2232 Registered: 5-2001 |
Bob, and I thought that was only in Miami, when even the Pet Cemetary votes in Mayorial Elections. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1732 Registered: 12-2000 |
That's great Meloyelo! | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Junior Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 232 Registered: 9-2001 |
In Chicago when you die, you don�t go to Heaven or Hell, you become a registered Democrat. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 76 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Jaxfl Wow! I guess you are a "Cool" guy. Not only do you like to "bait issues" but you said, "I had a smile on my face the entire time." I assume this makes you a bad$&* and more of a man in your eyes. That sentence showed your true insecurity about this matter. Too cool for me." I just wanted people to know I wasn't posting with hostile intent. The point was to say it was a more relaxed exchange than some people thought. I guess from your response you were mad to find this out because you'd been worked up about it? I don't get the badass comments. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2231 Registered: 5-2001 |
Melo Yelo, I am having this discussion here on the internet because of just this reason. The only thing "they" can do is e-mail me a virus.  | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2230 Registered: 5-2001 |
Richelson, I know that a Ferrari does not make a person. Look at me. I own 5 as of today and I am still a Jerk! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2229 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ken, you got that wrong there, I was quoting something that Frank said, who I deeply respect (gotta stick together, we 348ers). I actually totally agree with you. Give you an example. I live and work in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood. On Saturday you see the "Believers" walk to the temple in their church cloths. They spend 2 hours in service and come out, do not turn their lights on, do not drive cars, do not do this and that. As I know most of them also through my business I see them also on the other 6 days and know of their dealings and wheelings. They screw themselves over, screw others and behave in the most unethical fashion, until sundown Friday night, when they will become God's servants for 24h. I do believe in a higher purpose of life than just this. I believe you should live your life ethical. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 755 Registered: 12-2001 |
Martin Ferraris are not everything. It is great to own one but it doesn't make the person. Many seem to think that because they own a Ferrari they are a better person. This isn't true but many buy them for public approval, to be noticed, anything to cover up their individual inadequacies, and social acceptance. On the Mustang site how many non-owners do you see? Not many but at any F-car event/site I have been to many show up who aren't members, no F-car etc. This is why many non-owners visit this site. It gives them a quick boost of self-esteem, status, and do they fully understand about Ferraris without owning one? No! They want to be noticed and associated with what is Considered an elitist part of society. Also I didn't preach no use of profanity. Where did you come up with the conclusion that profanity of any kind excluding blasphemy is incorrect in religion? Many of you have very little understanding of Christianity IMHO. I think you have seen to many TV Ministries. It is a shame that this site has come to this. Many have let political correctness run their lives. I am sorry to say that I have lost respect for many of you. Enjoy! | ||
| melo yelo (Meloyelo)
New member Username: Meloyelo Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2002 |
Oh... Jscott Nice car. | ||
| melo yelo (Meloyelo)
New member Username: Meloyelo Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
My two cents... My grandfather once said "you should never get in a discussion over politics or religion." He knows this because his father was shot in the back as he rode away on his horse after having a heated discussion with some people about just that. My grandfather never knew his father and my great grandmother never re-married and kept the coat he was wearing with the bullet hole in it until she died in 1986. I now have the coat and, needless to say, I will not participate in the debate here. Now for some humor. And it is just humor. >An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that the > accident of evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What powerful > rivers! What beautiful animals!" he said to himself. > > As he was walking alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes > behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge toward > him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his >shoulder > And saw that the bear was closing. He ran even faster, so scared that > tears were coming to his eyes. He looked over his shoulder again, and > the bear was even closer. His heart was pumping frantically and he >tried > to run even faster. > > He tripped and fell to the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up >but > saw the bear, right on top of him: reaching for him with his left paw > and raising his right paw to strike him. > > At that instant the atheist cried out "Oh my God!...." Time stopped. >The > bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving. As a > bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky: "You deny > my existence for all of these years; teach others I don't exist; and, > even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you > out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?" The atheist > looked directly into the light: "It would be hypocritical of me to > suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could > make the bear a Christian?" > > "Very well," the voice said. The light went out. The river ran again. > And the sounds of the forest resumed. And then the bear dropped its > right paw, brought both paws together, bowed its head and spoke: "Lord, > for this food which I am about to receive, I am truly thankful." I told this to a friend of mine who is an atheist and he thought it was funny. Laugh and move on. MY | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 451 Registered: 10-2001 |
Martin, your logic is flawed. If you are a true believer, then you're not doing it just to get to heaven. That's more of a business arrangement with God and I doubt He is so easily fooled. You will NOT go to heaven if that is your only (religious) goal. I cannot say 'I Believe!' just to get to heaven myself because I don't. I would have to feel it in my heart, which I don't. I believe Jesus was an enlightened man with a bad PR director. Fortunately for the Christians, the aposels did a little homework and took Marketing 101 and had somewhat more sucess than he did. I doubt this view is in line with Christian doctrine. I do believe in the Ferrari mystique (as well as Lotus *S*). | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 457 Registered: 6-2001 |
JCSCOTT: I agree, we shouldn't have hijacked the thread, but it was interesting. There is nothing better than an aminated discussion about religion. It is amazing the stuff that comes out of people's mouths when that topic is discussed. Even on a threat like this, this topic does raise the level of angst. Art | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2225 Registered: 5-2001 |
J Scott, I would like to take this opportunity to appologize for taking your "Happy Day" of posting pictures of your truely beautiful car and turn it into this debate. Unfortunately I have a track record of hijacking threads. I truely hope you will not think about this silly debate when you wash your car and come to your license plate frame. This should not distract you from owning and enjoying your car. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2224 Registered: 5-2001 |
Just think about it, if you're right, then when you die you and I both will just become worm food. If I'm right, which I am, when I die I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus. Where will you be if I turn out to be right ?" More likely that you will be spending time with Allah, because if numbers are right, ther eis more Muslims than Christians. For me I will be spending time with William before we will be re-incarnated and return to a life full of Ferraris | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2001 |
The problem I have with Christianity and religion in general is they all never live up to their own ideals. We see that with the Catholis now with their scandel. It seems to me, living your whole life to prepare for when you're dead is a stupid waste of time. God gave us life to live, not to waste trying to go to some concept of immortality. Church make a wonderful social club but I don't find a lot of religion there. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2223 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nunja read the posts in order. I posted a response and Martin posted one with sarcarism. I have no use for a piece of ���� like you. If you don't want to email me off list then that is your choice. You and Martin both were out of line first. IMO you are a fucking loser. You Smartass �����!!!! Thou shall practice as you preach! | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2002 |
Wow, glad I expressed my opinion on that f***ing stupid gold fish, its given a lot to talk about. If I got behind it I would still think "wow nice car but the owners got to be a total Knob", nothing written here will change that. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 355 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jaxfl Wow! I guess you are a "Cool" guy. Not only do you like to "bait issues" but you said, "I had a smile on my face the entire time." I assume this makes you a bad$&* and more of a man in your eyes. That sentence showed your true insecurity about this matter. Too cool for me. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 166 Registered: 2-2001 |
"Just think about it, if you're right, then when you die you and I both will just become worm food. If I'm right, which I am, when I die I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus. Where will you be if I turn out to be right ?" " Frank, I can appreciate your thoughts, but there is something that I don't understand about Christians. They always talk about being saved and going to heaven or hell and question where I will end up if I don't follow their beliefs. What they don't understand is that I don't care about going to heaven or hell because "I" don't believe that they exist. When people start preaching their beliefs to me, they are telling me that it will get me to a place that I don't believe in, so why should I care? I believe in heaven or hell about as much as I believe in the planet Krypton. The whole premise of your beliefs I could care less about so you might as well be trying to prove to me that the easter bunny exists. If you are religeous, that's great for you. But I am not. I don't try to tell you that you are wrong in your beliefs, so why tell me that I am wrong? I do believe that I will go to the worms and in millions of years I will be part of the ingredients that keep out car engines lubricated. I see nothing wrong with this and see no reason for other people to worry about me and my beliefs. | ||
| Peter K. (Bubba)
New member Username: Bubba Post Number: 46 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sheeesh....Just finished reading about 99% of the thread for the past 30 minutes. Got very tired near the end. Very interesting comments. BTW, I am usually not a big white Ferrari fan, but the white/red combo is very cool and special. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2868 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bruce, No offense but this is why I won't get into this discussion that is going nowhere and is " Much ado about nothing." This is just trying to out wit the next guy with so called clever comments. This discussion will not change anyones views pro or con about religion. I guess it's good for the numbers though. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 263 Registered: 10-2001 |
I only have one more Question..... King Solomon story... something about a man and a woman fighting over a child and the King says "cut the baby in half" the man says FINE! The woman says "my love for the baby is stronger then my desire to win". The wise King awards the child to the woman. For she truly knows love. I don't think religion could pass the King Solomon test. If I could bring back the 3,000 people that lost their lifes in the World Trade Towers... in exchange for people agreeing not to practice religion any more (just this Country to keep the scope narrow). I don't think religious folks could do it. The Activity, traditions, pagentry of religion has become more powerful then true pure love? If this swap was possable. I fear it would not happen. Just a deep thought question. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 385 Registered: 4-2002 |
magoo did you know if you are a preacher,rabbi,deacon,rev,priet,evangelist..you can be exempt from all taxes? shi@, NOW WE KNOW WHERE THE I.R.S. CAN LOOK FOR UNACCOUNTABLE MONEY.... | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2867 Registered: 2-2001 |
As a Bible student from yesteryear I wouldn't think of getting into this insane frenzy. No offense. Just simply unbelievable. Regards, Magoo | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2002 |
I tried, HARD, but just cant stay out of this one. It amazes me how so many non-believers actually have no clue what it is they dont believe in. Heads up class: True Christianity is not about the deeds you do, life you present to others or rhetoric you spout. Its not about forcing your beliefs on others or lording your salvation over others. Its certainly not about judging others beliefs. Its simply about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ based on the belief that he was the son of God who died to pay for our sins. Oh yea, and here is the really big part: Its not just that Christ died for all us, but that he was raised from the dead after 3 days and appeared to over 500 people before assending into heaven before a crowd. Pretty big stuff. Do people really think that if Christ had not been raised from the dead and appeared to the disciples and hundreds of others that Christianity would have thrived despite the persecution of the early Christians? Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions and I hold nothing posted by anyone against anyone, surely we can all discuss differing beliefs like adults. I would urge those of you who are non-believers to actually read the bible and study Christianity a bit. You may find the reality to be very different from modern american pop cultures picture of Christians. I find it very sad that so much of the "religious" stuff in America actually has very little to do with real Christianity. Anyhow, I've got the rain gear on, have at it with the mud slinging! I'll be praying that God hold off on the fire and brimstone for Ed Gault, he is simply too much of a technical guru for the board to do without! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1731 Registered: 12-2000 |
Click on the counter to see the unique site visits the past 3 days. The past two days and today will be over the previous record. I think it's finally winding down now, which is good, I don't mind it now and then, but with two posts today being towards the top that are NFC I would like to get back on Ferrari. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2863 Registered: 2-2001 |
If I were a sponser would I approve of this Thread???? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1730 Registered: 12-2000 |
Only 50 more to go Stephen! Nothing wrong with Karting, as long as you don't use a fence for a brake. ;) How's Parr doing anyway? I'll be in KC the first two weeks of August. Hopefully we can get together for a dinner and Kart racing? | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 262 Registered: 10-2001 |
I just think its sad when I hear radio stations changing John Lennon's song "Imagine". They cut out the line... so they can play it around Christmas time without hurting anyone's feelings. "Imagine a world with no religion, to fight or die for" | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 75 Registered: 11-2001 |
Stephen, That sounds like a good policy. I've gone to extremes at times to bait the other side in this issue. | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 200 Registered: 11-2001 |
And here's my 200th post. Will I ever graduate from Karting, Rob??? | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 199 Registered: 11-2001 |
200 posts!!!!! Wow, this is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 198 Registered: 11-2001 |
As a business owner I don't have the luxury of having an opinion about this topic. I know many people who are deeply religious, and many free thinkers (Eupraxaphy ?? Is that how it's spelled). My problem with both is that they tend to completly disregard the others beliefs in the pursuit of their own sense of "winning". If religion works for you, either organized or self administered, great. If you enjoy and find comfort in the scientific approach to explain the unexplainable, great. But, let's try and respect each others ability to find beliefs that work for each of us. I would no more dismiss a catholic or athiest any more than I would dismiss a hispanic or arab. I take my people one at a time. | ||
| Bob Campen (Bob308gts)
Junior Member Username: Bob308gts Post Number: 230 Registered: 9-2001 |
I must say I am enjoying this, keep it going. BTW very nice car | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2001 |
Magoo wrote "Are you guys sure this Nunja is a "Adult Film Stunt Man?" He sounds like a "Parrot" to me repeating everything others say. No wonder he's confused." J Scott Leonard wrote "Nunja, good job of baiting the argument all be it somewhat immature. Your agressiveness [sic] shows me that you are interested in genuine debate. However, your use of cut and paste is not very original. Share constructive thought and well prepared positions and perhaps I can respond with meaningful debate. Go ahead and cut and paste this if you want, I like reading my stuff twice!" Welcome to internet 101 people. Its a common practice on message boards (especially in long threads) to cut and paste in the comments you are responding to. This let's the reader know that your reply is not necessarily to the last post. The only cutting and pasting I've done is for that purpose. All of my own comments have been original. Its easy to misinterpret the tone of a poster when reading text. I hope that nobody took my tone to be agitated in any of these posts. I had a smile on my face the entire time. Thanks for the lively debate. I really will pray for the less tolerant in the world. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 223 Registered: 7-2001 |
Richelson, You should practice what you preach and not get involved in these silly little fights. Remeber the verbal lashing you gave me last month????? We might start losing more members because of your childish antics. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 73 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Greg you are right Nunja doesn't seem to understand and lately seems to be getting corrected by everyone. His insecurities cause him to feel the need to have a win/lose situation. As Greg said give it a try. It will change your life Nunja. I will pray for you as well. Jesus Loves You!!!!" Ha. You're funny. I've yet to be corrected by anybody. I recognize that this is a friendly exchange of opinion. You must also accept the fact that many exchanges / debates do have clear winners. Its not that I feel I must win but just that I realized how one-sided our exchange was after reading your replies. You seem to have calmed down a bit. Did you seek counsel from a true Christian after your F this, loser that tirade. I never expected such a complete collapse of your argument but it was entertaining none the less. I will pray for you as much as possible as you are in dire need of some professional help. God bless you, you troubled soul. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1091 Registered: 6-2001 |
I should have known, what ever was i thinking? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 383 Registered: 4-2002 |
NO TIM I LIKE ED BRUCE | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1090 Registered: 6-2001 |
Do i detect sarcasm? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 381 Registered: 4-2002 |
NO CAR WAX ED, JUST FLOORMATS NICE TO SEE MY GOOD FRIEND REV ED GAULT HAS JOINED US.. GOOOD EVENING MR GAULT | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1453 Registered: 2-2001 |
If there is any Car Wax in Hell then I am changing my ways. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2002 |
Rob: Thanks for reformatting the pictures! Makes this much more easy to read! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 106 Registered: 1-2002 |
It breaks my heart that so many have died because of religion. It is a false faith that kills and destroys in the name of God. Religion differs from faith. They really should not be confussed. Religion dictates a set of practices and often rituals. Faith is personal and relational. It breaks my heart that many of my Christian friends become so confrontational that anger and hatred is the result. Instead, I would rather just share my personal experience and let my God do the rest. I don't need to fight for Him, he is more than capable of taking care of himself. Nunja, good job of baiting the argument all be it somewhat immature. Your agressiveness shows me that you are interested in genuine debate. However, your use of cut and paste is not very original. Share constructive thought and well prepared positions and perhaps I can respond with meaningful debate. Go ahead and cut and paste this if you want, I like reading my stuff twice! BTW: having spent time in Israel, the situation is very complicated. Much more than can simply be discussed with short posts. Both parties have done horrible things to each other. This is not a new conflict and will probably not be resolved in any of our lifetimes. Peace will never come to the region, only temporary lulls in the conflict. Our greatest hope is to lower the level of hostility so that both people groups can live in relative security. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2002 |
It would seem Rob needs to adopt a "FERRARI CHAT CONSTITUTION". And we obviously need the "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND FERRARI" | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2861 Registered: 2-2001 |
Are you guys sure this Nunja is a "Adult Film Stunt Man?" He sounds like a "Parrot" to me repeating everything others say. No wonder he's confused. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 74 Registered: 5-2002 |
I think this thread has run away with itself. NICE CAR JSCOTT!!!!!!>>>>>....... | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 456 Registered: 6-2001 |
Frank: I have no problem with your holding your beliefs. I do have a problem with your acting upon a 4000 year old rumor, which effects the life of millions of people living in the Middle East. I am a Jew, but strongly believe that the religious right of my ex-religion are crazy, as are a good many of the Christian right. That's ok, they get to be crazy. But when they start acting out their lunacy, to the detriment of various living, breathing human beings on this planet, they have exercised their lunacy in a manner in which they should be restrained. Believe it or not Frank those inhabitants of that land are living breathing human beings with the same hopes and asperations that all of us have. We tend to demonize those who don't believe as we do, and that will justify what we then do to them. I have a good many relatives in Israel who think nothing about the poor treatment that they have given to those palestinians. They are able to justify that behavior because their "religion" allows them that sort of behavior. I suggest you look at the follwing web sites for a clearer picture on what religion allows people to do: notinmyname.org is a good place to start, then take a look at B'Esten.org (not sure of the exact location, but it is linked at the notinmyname site) I guess that the behavior in the middle east is exactly what the non-religious on this site are using as an example of non christian behavior by those claiming to be very christian. In my opinion, religious beliefs have been used by people for many years to justify their need to sh*t on other people. Art | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 340 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gotta love this board. Now, members are being condemmed for their beliefs or lack thereof; we are weighing in on whether the palestinians have a just claim, and much now hinges on what will happen in the afterlife. What a welcome diversion from the intense, often troubling debate over 3 series v. 12's, whether they really are just "dino's" and which shifter package makes the most sense. At least the issues now being raised are soluble. Only one thing still troubles me: that is, the people that profess to be the most devout are often the most disturbed (eg those who kill abortionists to preserve the right to life; religious zealots these days, acting or killing in the name of Allah, Jehovah or some other "god" ;fundamentalists of any type, who refuse to let others be, no matter what they believe the consequences). In my experience (so far confined to this corporeal existence), nobody wins just because they believe they have some greater power on their side; they win because whatever power they do have is exercised in a way that,in the right time and place, makes the most sense, whether it is a matter of religious or politicalbelief, military strategy, or day to day living. I do not expect to impose my beliefs on anybody else, but don't try to impose yours on me:- i've got to believe it myself to adopt it as my own, and no amount of verse-quoting, after-life threatening, history revising proselytzing is going to make one bit of difference to me. Those who believe otherwise are free to continue,just don't insult my intelligence. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 747 Registered: 12-2001 |
Greg you are right Nunja doesn't seem to understand and lately seems to be getting corrected by everyone. His insecurities cause him to feel the need to have a win/lose situation. As Greg said give it a try. It will change your life Nunja. I will pray for you as well. Jesus Loves You!!!! | ||
| Mark Freeman (Mrpc12)
Junior Member Username: Mrpc12 Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2001 |
Wow! And to think the name of this topic is "Just got a camera, here is my car". Never know what you'll find inside. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1727 Registered: 12-2000 |
That's funny Edward, many fishes on cars and the people can't fish. ;) | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Why won't you answer the question presented?" My personal burial plans are completely irrelevant to this discussion unless you have some other weird ritual to demand of me after death. So silly. What you think you know is laughable. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1451 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have a Ron-Jon Surf shop frame around the tag on my Ferrari and I can't surf. Tried it once and it beat the hell out of me. I think I should take it off. Nah, I Like it. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 71 Registered: 11-2001 |
"And Doug, even non-Christian philosophers believe that there is more to life than what your five senses bring you. There is a spiritual life that you can tap into through Christ. It is wonderful too. But, satan rules this world for this current season and that's why there is the suffering and pain you mentioned. Jesus will come again and he will then rule the world with Love. The question you should be asking yourself is , "...where will I be then..." Just think about it, if you're right, then when you die you and I both will just become worm food. If I'm right, which I am, when I die I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus. Where will you be if I turn out to be right ?" I find this last point interesting because many Christians will also be in trouble if you're right. If God is at all concerned with good vs. evil in the behavior of men then my belief system and choices in life may save me from the fate many Christians will suffer. If being a good person doesn't get you in then it will be a place full of weak, selfish people and the truely just will be somewhere else. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 965 Registered: 9-2001 |
Jaxfl, there has never been a Palestine and thus there are not any Palestinians. They are arabs ! And the land those arabs claim belongs to Israel as it was given to them through Moses by God a long time ago. The land that was given to those arabs calling themselves palestinians by europe in the early part of the 20th century is mostly in Jordan and not Israel anyway. And Doug, even non-Christian philosophers believe that there is more to life than what your five senses bring you. There is a spiritual life that you can tap into through Christ. It is wonderful too. But, satan rules this world for this current season and that's why there is the suffering and pain you mentioned. Jesus will come again and he will then rule the world with Love. The question you should be asking yourself is , "...where will I be then..." Just think about it, if you're right, then when you die you and I both will just become worm food. If I'm right, which I am, when I die I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus. Where will you be if I turn out to be right ? | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 70 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Jaxfl what are you talking about. How has he lost?" Well pal, he's gone from trying to tell me how he has some proprietary knowledge of God and the cosmos to cursing at me. I'd say the wheels have fallen off and he's flailing. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2001 |
"It is harder to not believe than it is to believe" | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Rich, good to see you back on the chat, I just read Nunja's post's. He is full of it. He intentially started on you when you answered his smart-ass question. You were being very kind to him. You did the right thing. Ignore him. Heck, read his profile. Adult film stunt man. Give me a break." Its funny how you folks see yourself as being kind though you're really just extremely judgemental. Matthew 5:44-48 "But I say to you love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you...for if you love those who love you what recompense will you have? Do not tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only what is unusual about that? Do not pagans do the same? So be perfect just as your heavenly father is perfect." | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 353 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jaxfl what are you talking about. How has he lost? This isn't a win or lose argument. Opinions are neither correct nor incorrect. I think you are bent on trying to win an argument and have feelings of animosity, rage. One of Jesus's great gifts is Forgiveness. Try it and you will be Amazed!!!! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 105 Registered: 1-2002 |
O.K., so I started this thing. Lighten up people. It is my car, my license plate frame and my faith. I really don't care if you think it is tacky or not. I don't dress funny nor do I wear jewelry, other than my wedding ring. I have no guilt about owning a Ferrari. I have no guilt about how much I give to others or the church. I love Jesus Christ and have a very personal relationship with him. I know that is difficult to understand for many. I spent many years researching Biblical authority. I understand appologetics and can argue creationism, evolution, biblical archelogy or just about any other scientific evidence you want to discuss. But really none of that matters. Faith is believing in things unseen. It is a choice. My faith is based upon significant study and research, which for me confirms those things unseen. But more, I have personal experience and a relationship with the author of my faith, Jesus. Travel which ever road you wish. I can't explain everything, just my personal experience. No need to fight, enjoy intellectually stimulating discussion without name calling or assulting or insulting each other. However, feel free to insult me and my car, I have been through far to much in my life to be overly emotional or impacted by this discussion. May God bless you all whether or not you want his blessing. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 351 Registered: 3-2001 |
J. Scott I like the license plate. I am proud that you put that on your 328. It speaks volumes as you can tell. Peace. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 68 Registered: 11-2001 |
"That is not the case. You stated earlier that you didn't want explaination. However you are still a ������������ in my eyes and since that you don't view that as a sin I bet you believe it is ok." Somebody give this guy a wake up call and let him know he's lost the exchange. The Lord just called and told me how much he'd like it if you'd just stay down on the mat. You keep coming back for more pounding after the bell has rung. Collect yourself, and better your situation. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 350 Registered: 3-2001 |
Oh yeah. I am a Christian and very blessed for all of the Wonderful gifts that I have been given. I will pray for all of you. God Bless. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 349 Registered: 3-2001 |
Rich, good to see you back on the chat, I just read Nunja's post's. He is full of it. He intentially started on you when you answered his smart-ass question. You were being very kind to him. You did the right thing. Ignore him. Heck, read his profile. Adult film stunt man. Give me a break. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 746 Registered: 12-2001 |
Why won't you answer the question presented? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 745 Registered: 12-2001 |
That is not the case. You stated earlier that you didn't want explaination. However you are still a •••••••••••• in my eyes and since that you don't view that as a sin I bet you believe it is ok. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Nunja where do you believe you will go when you die? Do you plan to have a plot or be cremated? Since I know you have chosen a different path please enlighten us all and share it with us. I would like to know your opinions. Please share." If you must know, I just made arrangements to have my stinking rotten corpse put into the trunk of your car. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1726 Registered: 12-2000 |
Any other Unitarian Universalists on here? We don't argue about religion, we discus and experience spirituality. We never try to evangelize anyone, we are 100% open to and respect the beliefs of others as we spend our entire life learning and growing... you never find the answer, but always one step closer to God. Most of the founding fathers of the USA were Unitarian/Universalists. Load a crap that this country was founded on Christian beliefs. I of course don't have any problems with Christianity for others, but I have a problem with any application of religion that bullies, scares, and intimidates. Not only is it common with fundamentalist Christians, but also fundamentalist Muslims. BTW, my dad had a doctorate in theology and was a Presbyterian minister. It wasn't like I was never exposed to Jesus, I never missed a Sunday or other church function for more than a decade of my life. Maybe I'm so full of Jesus now, that I add more value to my spirituality from other sources. Who knows, I love Jesus, I think he was one of the greatest people that ever lived, but I can't stand some of the people representing his name. Dang it, I tried and tried to stay out of this thread, but couldn't do it. Repeat 3 times... We all love Ferrari, We all love Ferrari, We all love Ferrari. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Nunja read the posts in order. I posted a response and Martin posted one with sarcarism. I have no use for a piece of ���� like you. If you don't want to email me off list then that is your choice. You and Martin both were out of line first. IMO you are a fucking loser. You Smartass �����!!!!" Wow! This level of insight and class really makes me believe your deep thoughts on God. When you feel your perspective is not holding up to criticism simply say the words that are so hard to utter "you're right." Don't stoop to insults when you can't support your point of view with facts. If that doesn't work for you then ask yourself "What would Jesus do?" I'll tell you what he'd do. He'd take off his crusty sandal and ••••• slap the hell out of you for being such a good Christian. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 744 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nunja where do you believe you will go when you die? Do you plan to have a plot or be cremated? Since I know you have chosen a different path please enlighten us all and share it with us. I would like to know your opinions. Please share. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2001 |
"And, if there was any reason go to war, it would be for God now wouldn't it. JaxFl, the Bible has been proven again and again to be true by other non-Biblical historical documents later found which confirmed the many events contained in the Bible are true. And, you're correct that all Christians don't walk the walk that they talk. But, that doesn't mean that if you truly believe as a child in Jesus Christ that you will not get the promises that are made by God in the Bible. Have you ever wondered why a small piece of land smaller than New Jersey affects the world like Israel does? The country has very little resources, yet the whole world, both Christian and non-Christian are focused on what happens there. The events of today are fortold in the Bible from over 2000 years ago. God is not a crutch to a Christian, but represents freedom instead. Living life for Christ alows you to have life more abundantly through the many blessings you receive from Him. I once heard a story about a bass . The bass was out in the lake one day looking for worms. A fisherman kept baiting his hook with plastic worms and the bass kept eating the worms off the hook and getting away. At the end of the day the bass went home and told his bass-wife that while he had ate worms all day of many different colors and sizes, that he still felt empty. That's what non-Christians do. You devour what the world has to offer, but are still empty because you do not have God in your life. Divorce, fornication, drugs, ect.. are all caused by people looking to fill their belly with multi-colored plastic worms(read money,power,material things) which leave them empty inside. If you are finding yourself making more and more money, having more and more fun things to do and buy, but still find yourself empty, try reading the Bible and seeking God's guidance. I promise you that you will be fulfilled with life, not a bunch of plastic worms." Because you really really believe that the invisible man you worship is better than the invisible man another person or society worships that justifies warfare? Come on. That is a sad cycle humans have been in for a long time. Because some of what people wrote in the bible about real events and places wasn't complete fiction doesn't mean its all true. When Tom Clancy mentions a real modern city in his fiction does that validate the remainder of his offering? Of course not. The state of Israel contains land taken from Palestinians and given to some refugees. The Palistinians weren't too stoked and have since been fighting with the Refugees over who owns the land. Jesus has yet to weigh in on why any humans would fight over a dusty wasteland. Becuase many fundamentalist Christians are obsessed with the region they lobby our govt. to get involved in matters there. Its simply a self-fulfilling prophecy. I took your word for it and went out and bought a large bag of plastic worms. I just finsihed eating the last one and I must say I am truely stuffed. So what's all that empty stuff about? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 743 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nunja read the posts in order. I posted a response and Martin posted one with sarcarism. I have no use for a piece of •••• like you. If you don't want to email me off list then that is your choice. You and Martin both were out of line first. IMO you are a fucking loser. You Smartass •••••!!!! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 964 Registered: 9-2001 |
Martin, Protestants ARE Christians. And, if there was any reason go to war, it would be for God now wouldn't it. JaxFl, the Bible has been proven again and again to be true by other non-Biblical historical documents later found which confirmed the many events contained in the Bible are true. And, you're correct that all Christians don't walk the walk that they talk. But, that doesn't mean that if you truly believe as a child in Jesus Christ that you will not get the promises that are made by God in the Bible. Have you ever wondered why a small piece of land smaller than New Jersey affects the world like Israel does? The country has very little resources, yet the whole world, both Christian and non-Christian are focused on what happens there. The events of today are fortold in the Bible from over 2000 years ago. God is not a crutch to a Christian, but represents freedom instead. Living life for Christ alows you to have life more abundantly through the many blessings you receive from Him. I once heard a story about a bass . The bass was out in the lake one day looking for worms. A fisherman kept baiting his hook with plastic worms and the bass kept eating the worms off the hook and getting away. At the end of the day the bass went home and told his bass-wife that while he had ate worms all day of many different colors and sizes, that he still felt empty. That's what non-Christians do. You devour what the world has to offer, but are still empty because you do not have God in your life. Divorce, fornication, drugs, ect.. are all caused by people looking to fill their belly with multi-colored plastic worms(read money,power,material things) which leave them empty inside. If you are finding yourself making more and more money, having more and more fun things to do and buy, but still find yourself empty, try reading the Bible and seeking God's guidance. I promise you that you will be fulfilled with life, not a bunch of plastic worms. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 380 Registered: 4-2002 |
I HAVE COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT ZOLOFT,VALIUM, AND PROZAC IS DEFINETLY NEED HERE STAT..ANYBODY AGREE?? BEFORE SOMEONE STROKES OUT HERE... | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 165 Registered: 2-2001 |
"I did but what does "God" mean? I've never heard of such a thing. Is it a magical creature like Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy or The Chupa Cabre? I'm intrigued. Tell me more of this "God."" Sorry, I really can't answer that but he was at the Laker/Nets game last night. I didn't see him on TV, but several of the players thanked him for being there. Guess he prefers sports over saving lives because he wasn't there to help those soldiers that went down in a plane in Afghanistan. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Nunja email me directly and no aren't being honest about what is going on at this point. You asked a question. It was answered. The "slamming" was started earlier. Why did you ask that question. I think you were being a Smart Ass personally. E-mail me off list to discuss futher Nunja. IMO you have no respect for values, beliefs, etc." Uh, wake up slick. Its within my rights to be a smartass. My question wasn't answered because no living humans (and possibly no dead ones either) have that knowledge, yourself included of course. You showed no respect for Martin's belief system by saying he was going to hell that's why I jumped on you. I won't be emailing you directly because its clear you don't tolerate other people's religious concepts. I'm not sure there is a dosage of reality or common sense that can cure your situation. Whatever religious perspective makes a person happy without bothering others is okay by me. I do appreciate the offer for additional dialogue. | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
New member Username: Johndelvac Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2001 |
I happen to be a religous person and attend church regular(Catholic). But I have never understood anyone wanting to scar their fine automobiles with tackey crap. Attaching something to your home door post or the crucifix in the foyer seems fairly normal. But I feel that the license plate in question is about as tackey as driving around with a waving confederate flag behind your Ford (I have a Ford and I'm from the South so don't go there), those windshild banners that say "I just crossed the boarder and I'm too suave for my car", Calvin peeing stickers, truck beds that tilt sideways to reveal murals, and curb feelers. Why don't we all go & get some giant driving lights & mount them to Ferrari roofs? Because, it's a crying shame to do it, that's why. Folks who attach anything to the exterior of their Ferrari beyond club window stickers, authentic shields, or cavolino valve stem covers (the last two being debatable) must not be really thinking about how others view the object. What's next, permanatly mounting your babtismal candle to the console? Neon under the rockers? Purple running lights? Certainly one has the right to attach gold chain licence plates, hang an air freshener tree from the mirror (or worse, the crown in the back window), plaster a bumper sticker (I like the one that says "I brake for Shumacher") and the like. This is America, you have the right. But why would anyone in their right mind add something that looks like they bought it from the local car wash to their Pininfarina work of art. Why would you support the Chinese who make this junk with slave labor. Would you put a gold chain frame around the Mona Lisa? Would you like to see Egypt paint their flag on the pyramids? You get my point. Folks who disfigure their fine cars with junk must be the same ones who wear all of that extra "I've got money but no class" jewelry on their fingers and gold chains just shy of looking like Mr. T. If you are going to drive a Ferrari, you don't need to dress up or anything, but try to look like you at least know who your father was. Your car is not a Christian - you are. And I think both are fine. Let your Ferrari be what it is (a energy wasting death machine designed and powered by satin himself). Expensive cars with the fish say to me (yes, I talk to cars, didn't you know) "I feel guilty about spending so much on a car, so I'm putting the fish on here to let folks know that I really feel bad and I should have given all of my excesses to help the needful." It is a complete and total irony, especially on a hand built car. On the other hand, if you must have the fish, a star of David, a cross, or whatever on your car because you feel the need to make your car a vehicle of God, so be it, amen. But for cryin' out loud, get a smaller one. The license frame posted below looks like it belongs on a bus with llama and chickens rounding curves in the Andes. Everytime I spend 12 hours detailing the chassis of my car, my wife refers to it as false idol worship. How ironic it would be to attach another idol to it. OK, now that everyone hates me, I'll go now. I was just in the middle of installing those springs to make the front of my 328 jump up and down. And I do like my prancing horse valve stem covers even if the guy I bought the car from says I've ghettoized it. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 453 Registered: 6-2001 |
Tom: Depends upon what she looks like. Art | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 742 Registered: 12-2001 |
Nunja email me directly and no aren't being honest about what is going on at this point. You asked a question. It was answered. The "slamming" was started earlier. Why did you ask that question. I think you were being a Smart Ass personally. E-mail me off list to discuss futher Nunja. IMO you have no respect for values, beliefs, etc. Martin I think you would see life differently if you were under different circumstances. Life is a Gift, Treasure, etc. Life is precious. If it isn't to you then that is your choice but don't infringe on others lives or beliefs. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 828 Registered: 9-2001 |
Martin If you see it as values then don't make fun of peoples values. I look at this as if a guy posted a pic of his wife with his car and people started to make fun of her. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2001 |
"This isn't a laughing matter. This isn't an argument about who car is faster or bs like that. This is a statement about my beliefs and the way my life is centered." Humor is subjective. We may laugh at whatever we choose including some things you may take very seriously. We all grasp you belief system and recognize your right to it. Going around telling people what to laugh at or that they are going to hell is really very silly though. If the thought of a God takes you to your happy place that's neat. Others don't require that much of a crutch to get through the day so don't slam them for it. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 741 Registered: 12-2001 |
This isn't a laughing matter. This isn't an argument about who car is faster or bs like that. This is a statement about my beliefs and the way my life is centered. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2222 Registered: 5-2001 |
This is exactly one of the problems I have. Religion is taken WAY to serious. That is what starts wars! That is what causes people to blow themselfes up in crowded places. That is what makes them fly planes into buildings. That is what has Christians kill Protestants and Protestants kill Christians. You guys need to stop taking your lifes to serious. I see the Bible as a book of values. A Pathway to an ethical life. The way you interpret it is your own thing. I do not need a priest, rabbie or somebody else to explain that to me. Being consistantly re-incarnated is a form of punishment, Hell as you call it. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 389 Registered: 3-2002 |
Magoo, I just noticed your response about the scrolling. LOL! It's the combination of the scrolling interfering with my insatiable curiosity! | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2001 |
"If you are trying to be funny; I will ask you again Please Stop!!!! IMO this isn't a joking matter and I will be happy to help but if you are being sarcastic enjoy your life in Hell!" Face some obvious facts people. We are all COMPLETELY ingnorant of what will happen after death. Its both sad and laughable for you to say you know where anybody is going to go when they die. Stop trying to scare people with your 'God/ The Boogie Man is going to get you' crap. If there is a God in the Biblical sense he won't be grading people on how many times they asked for his forgiveness or were 'born again' after they screwed up. Most of these hardcore, nutty Christians are horrible to deal with in business and personal transactions and I KNOW that the Lord will banish them to Uranus for it. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 740 Registered: 12-2001 |
That is your choice and you have to live with it. It took me a while to fully understand that not all people go to heaven. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 302 Registered: 12-2001 |
Yikes fellas, getting kind of hot in here. "if you are being sarcastic enjoy your life in Hell!" Richelson, take a deep breath, wouldn't want you to stroke out at the computer. | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Rom 1:19-20 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-- his eternal power and divine nature-- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." I love how some Christians think they're proving a point by saying "it must be real cause its right here in the bible." Why give that book any more credit than Mad Magazine? Because your daddy told you you're supposed to swallow that bunk like his daddy told him? Can't we all just grow up? Death is coming. It hurts. But it'll be okay. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 737 Registered: 12-2001 |
Martin I will be happy to explain all of this to you if you would like. Please e-mail me off list. If you are trying to be funny; I will ask you again Please Stop!!!! IMO this isn't a joking matter and I will be happy to help but if you are being sarcastic enjoy your life in Hell! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2221 Registered: 5-2001 |
If God is the father of Jesus and Marry is a Virgin but his mother, then God and Marry had something going on the side, which means God was committing one of his sins, which means he is not perfect, which means he does not exist, which leaves Jesus without a father and Mary not so virgin after all. does anybody follow me here? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 736 Registered: 12-2001 |
Very nice passage J. Scott. Frank Amen!!!! I wasn't aware of the many different ideas on this chat. IMO a shame but each to their own. I personally want a special place in Heaven! GOD is the father of our Savior Jesus Christ, the only son of our Lord. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 104 Registered: 1-2002 |
You guys are alright! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 379 Registered: 4-2002 |
frank more power to ya... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 962 Registered: 9-2001 |
Bruce, my savior is Jewish as well. his name is Jesus. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2002 |
martin pretty good for a jewish guy, huh.. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2220 Registered: 5-2001 |
Also a good one is out of the book of Martinism 1:01 "Thou shall not listen and believe in what others thy tell, make up your own *'%&ing mind" | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2219 Registered: 5-2001 |
I like Genesis 16:3 (I believe thats what it was) | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 376 Registered: 4-2002 |
lets go nets john 3:16 | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 103 Registered: 1-2002 |
BTW: I am not offended in any way, just want to add my perspective to the discussion. Have fun, (but not too much.) | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 102 Registered: 1-2002 |
As my hero Ronald Regan said in his debates "There you go again". OK- So now you can all say that you have been preached to again. Maybe a Ferrari is an example of this verse! Like Dave said earlier, we just can't help ourselves. Nunja- Rom 1:19-20 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-- his eternal power and divine nature-- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (NIV) | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2214 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nunja, There is a study if there is a connection between the sightings of the Virgin Mary and signtings of the Chupa Cabre! | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2213 Registered: 5-2001 |
Art, you can actually buy that at:; www.Jesus.com while you are at it, get yourse�f a T-shirt that says: "Jesus hates you" | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2001 |
"Nunja: Start at the bottom and read up^" I did but what does "God" mean? I've never heard of such a thing. Is it a magical creature like Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy or The Chupa Cabre? I'm intrigued. Tell me more of this "God." | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 450 Registered: 6-2001 |
Martin is one crazy SOB, but very funny. I loved that plate, I'm having one made for the 355. The air does work, and it looks like I'll have another case in Fresno District Court shortly. Art | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 101 Registered: 1-2002 |
Nunja: Start at the bottom and read up^ | ||
| Nunja Bitness (Jaxfl)
Junior Member Username: Jaxfl Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2001 |
What is this "God" thing that everybody keeps talking about? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2210 Registered: 5-2001 |
you must have some driving experience here in SoFla ! | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 110 Registered: 7-2001 |
Martin: oh well, Floridas about as close to hell as you can get anyway. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2205 Registered: 5-2001 |
Frank, that is why I moved to Florida....the heat! Guys, I am sitting here with a smile on my face. Love you all, no matter what you believe! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 100 Registered: 1-2002 |
Too late guys! I'm glad that I don't live too close to you, the fire and brimstone may hit an innocent bystander. Art: Hope the air in your 355 works well. We are building a new Federal Court House here you may have to come back. I have several friends on the bench, mostly Superior and Appellate. Be careful, I also know Judge O'Neal on the Federal Bench, he is a fish symbol guy like me. Ollie Wanger used to be in my Rotary Club. Glad you had a good outcome. Makes it worth staying in our beautiful downtown. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 960 Registered: 9-2001 |
Martin, do you realize the penalty for Blasphemy ? While it may be red, it ain't no Ferrari ! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1081 Registered: 6-2001 |
Anyone think this will top the record of 600 something posts on Will's "Where doid you come from, how did you get there......." post? | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 735 Registered: 12-2001 |
Martin I think that you have gone over the line with this. I know you are joking but I would appreciate it if you would show a little more respect and class. | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 108 Registered: 7-2001 |
JScott: look what you started (and they wonder how wars start) I had a t-shirt "Jesus loves you, the rest of us think your S H I T" Anyway: I worship women so I'm getting a frame and mud flaps for the 328 that have the "CHROME" naked women profiles the trucker use. Bruce, are you ready red and yellow F-cars with major mud flap and chrome ladies???? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 373 Registered: 4-2002 |
O, •••• MARTIN, DONT LET J SCOTT SEE THIS POST, OR ELSE THERE WILL BE 200 MORE POSTS HERE | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2202 Registered: 5-2001 |
I predict this will reach the 500 post mark as well | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2201 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here is my new license plate frame:  | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2200 Registered: 5-2001 |
Go to www.Jesus.com I got me a T-shirt that says: "Jesus hates everyone, except me" I love that shirt. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 447 Registered: 6-2001 |
JSCOTT: I spent two months there in 2000 trying a case in Federal Court in AUGUST (Good result in Judge Wanger's court)! Never saw less than 90 on the temp the entire time. I bet that's why you got a white car. Art | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2002 |
Wow I thought us Vermonters lived on the edge what with cowtippin' and all but you Fresno people know how to live! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 99 Registered: 1-2002 |
BTW Art: Just in case you haven't heard, in addition to opining upon existential thought and creating a stir with license plate frames, we also have some wonderful activities here in Fresno like; sidewalk egg frying and mosquito trapping. Also in case we haven't garnered enough national attention, Bubba from "The Heat of the Night" television series is our mayor! Man we got it all! Don't you all get any ideas about comming here to live. We have strict rules, only three Ferrari's allowed and all must either have fish license plate frames, dice hanging from the mirror or a bumper sticker saying "Driver is armed". | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 101 Registered: 3-2002 |
LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 98 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wow, this has really gotten fun. Todd, if you want a frame like mine, I will be happy to send you one! Just look how much attention it got me! I am sure glad that the mood has lightened up a little. Was just at a good friend's 70th birthday and had no idea how much fun you all were having. Really Todd, I will be glad to send you a wonderful fish frame. However, being a fisherman myself, I may kind of like the idea of nailing a trout to my back side like C. Smith suggested! I like it. | ||
| Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
New member Username: Todd328gts Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2002 |
J, Nice Ride! and God Bless! Being a new 328 Ferrari owner myself, I was wondering is there a do or a don't for the rear license plate frame. The front is a no brainer...none. But I was thinking of getting one for the rear that wasn't just the same old cheap garbage the local speed or auto store sells. And is there a recommended key chain that is a keeper? Cheers! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2857 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sorry, The tag holder signifys...... | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2856 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ok, The tag signifys ,"Remember Slavery." I am surprised most of you didn't know this. I am friends with the Mgr and a regional mgr of a auto store here in Fl. and my brother in Richmond Va. his son works in a auto parts store there. The holders are purchased to signify slavery and it is common knowledge in a auto parts store. If you don't believe it watch the cars displaying this holder and look at the driver. Or just ask one of the Bros.. My point being even though you wouldn't like the chain holder or the Fish holder would you have attacked a black person for displaying this holder as you have attacked Scott? I dare say none of you would have carried it this far. Why? I think you know the answer. So if it is a personal expression it is his car and his right to show his personal expression. No offense to anyone, just the way I see it. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 65 Registered: 5-2002 |
I think a big part of this is usually you don't see any kind of personal attachments on collector or sportscars or bumperstickers anything of this nature so this fish caught our eyes. I looked on google to see if the chain plates had any gang or any other meaning and found no info on that. I seem to remember a lot of those cropping up in the late 80's. My preference is no stickers on my vehicles but to each his own. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2854 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ok let me ask it this way. How many of you guys would rather see the Chain holder rather then the Fish holder? Or neither. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2853 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ok Robert, that's part of this question, hang on. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2852 Registered: 2-2001 |
You're close but it still signifys something. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2002 |
No. Cars are all about personal expression. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2851 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sorry, Would you find it objectional on a Ferrari? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 366 Registered: 4-2002 |
" mofo homeskizaz" a new rap group?? hey magoo you knew that one, right? bruce | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2850 Registered: 2-2001 |
But does anyone find the chain tag holder objectionable? | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2848 Registered: 2-2001 |
Robert not quite. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2847 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jack, Are you sure it is the scrolling and not the curiosity? Regards, | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 62 Registered: 5-2002 |
A chain licence plate means you is one bad a** mofo' homeskizaz!! If you come across this don't make eye contact just look straight ahead. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2846 Registered: 2-2001 |
Does anyone know what the chain license plate signifys? It is being used by a group and has a meaning. Would anyone object to this license holder on a Ferrari? | ||
| C. Smith (Italianauto)
Junior Member Username: Italianauto Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2001 |
Can't believe anyone would attack someone for his religion.......not at all cool....gonna nail a live trout to my bumper and kick their a** if they give me any guff..... | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 387 Registered: 3-2002 |
JScott, Great car! Not sure why people have turned a license plate frame into such an issue? I suppose if it said "Lakers" we'd be having a big sports debate. This is the second white 328 I've seen, and am surprised at how much I like the way it looks. Sounds like you got a great deal. This side to side scrolling is KILLING me! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 362 Registered: 4-2002 |
magoo i would say that your a home boy that drives a rice burner.. bruce | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2844 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey guys if he had a license plate on it that was a linking gold chain, what would you say then? | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2002 |
Now it's 89 posts heck I just wanted to see my name at the top of the list. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 446 Registered: 6-2001 |
87 POSTS WHEN A GUY PUTS THE PICTURE OF HIS NEW CAR ON THE SITE. SO WHAT IF THERE IS SOMESORT OF SYMBOL ON THE PLATE. REMMEBER HE LIVES IN FRESNO, CA. THERE ISN'T MUCH ELSE TO DO THERE. ART | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 97 Registered: 1-2002 |
In the genre of Jeff Foxworthy: Existentialism, heck the last time I had one of those, I had to leave the house for a week! | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1445 Registered: 2-2001 |
JSCOTT, how about interpret that paragraph in Redneck, I don't understand all the big words. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 96 Registered: 1-2002 |
Fight? Someone say Fight? Where? Is it behind the backstop or out in the garage? I wanna see. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2180 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey, my opinion is worth more than that...beside you never asked for it in the frist place, I just rendered it anyhow.... okay, maybe I should shut up then LOL | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 353 Registered: 4-2002 |
first fight wellington 1 ed gault 1 a draw 2nd fight martin 348 j scott still in progress | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 95 Registered: 1-2002 |
Martin: "Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a ********." I like it and it stays. Just having a little fun. Every one is entitled to an opinion and most of them are worth what you pay for them. Art: Existential thought is a little outside the box for a guy from central California. Since,existential philosophy is subject to a single, seemingly debilitating criticism: it comprises a frame of mind rather than a theory. As Mary Warnock argues in her book Existentialist Ethics, "It seems that to be attracted by Existentialism is to be attracted by a mood. When it comes to serious thought, one may find . . . that it is necessary to cast off the mood and start again" (57). The focus of the existentialist is on the individual, existing being. By nature, the subject of existentialism appears incommunicable. It demands that each individual come to an understanding of the inwardness of self independently. This inwardness is not a state which can be achieved, but a process of constantly coming to be. The argument against the existence of an existential ideology seems valid. Without generalization, how can existentialist philosophy construct a theory that offers ethical direction? (Just funning ya!) | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 155 Registered: 7-2001 |
I forgot to mention in my post earlier wayyyyyyyyy down the listing; That is a really really nice car. My second turbo Esprit was an 86 white with red leather. Its a great combo and congrats. I hope you alot of fun in it and Im sure you will. Very nice car | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 442 Registered: 6-2001 |
JScott: Take a look at the web site: http://condor.stcloudstate.edu/~lesikar/einstein/ Einstein believed in the order of things, he declined to believe in religion as we know it. His comments about a "personal god" go to the issue of a God that has contact with humans, etc, as espoused by all of the religions. I think he was proposing science as a religion. Take a look at the various publicaitons on that web site, and decide for yourself. Art | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2164 Registered: 5-2001 |
I just think that the frame is ugly, does not go with the styling of the car, distracts from the lines and is glod plated instead of at least chrome which goes much better than gold. The gold look looks like the car came from the hood. In all a very nice car, with the exception of that...THING ..but hey, if you want that to advertise your faith, that is cool. After all you pay for your car, not me and not anybody else here on this board. Your car, your choice. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2163 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think Dave would make a perfect MARTINIST ! LOL | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
New member Username: Manatee Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2002 |
California in the springtime and a Ferrari. Doesn't get much better, does it Congratulations, drive in good health. Cheers ! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2842 Registered: 2-2001 |
This post should be titled "A eye for a eye, A tooth for a tooth." | ||
| Bak-a-lack-a Bak-a-lacka-lacka ! (Chris_n_chicago)
New member Username: Chris_n_chicago Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2002 |
did you hear the one about the Dislexic, Agnostic, insomniac ? ............ ........... ......... ....... . . . . . . .He was up all night wondering if there really was a DOG! | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2841 Registered: 2-2001 |
This post gets as much attention as "The Enquirer". | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 93 Registered: 1-2002 |
Back to the beginning. Wow Ryanab, those are palm trees. I never noticed them. | ||
| Robert Rothschild (Rothschild)
New member Username: Rothschild Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2002 |
Gorgeous 328, hope you enjoy every delirious mile behind the wheel! Congratulations, and please continue to share your experiences with all of us, after all that's what this forum is about isn't it? A bunch of ferrari addicts (owners and admirers alike) sharing thoughts, ideas, experiences and suggestions...I for one look forward to logging on to F-Chat as often as I can to absorb the latest addiitions almost as much as I enjoy jumping behind the wheel...almost. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1054 Registered: 6-2001 |
This is probably one of the fastest growing posts ever, aside from maybe one from last september. There are over 30 more posts than when i checked this evening. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1443 Registered: 2-2001 |
On "SPY TV" next Tuesday there is going to be a skit where someone wins a Ferrari. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
New member Username: Davem Post Number: 48 Registered: 1-2002 |
I am glad to see Ed Gault back. I too find his contributions to the site amusing an helpful. Lets remember that we have all been welcomed to join by Rob Lay an no one else, to talk about are passion for Ferrari's. Any thread's here you don't like just click away. | ||
| Dane Sander (Dane_sander)
New member Username: Dane_sander Post Number: 38 Registered: 4-2002 |
JScott, Gorgeous car. Congratulations and I am very happy for you. Dane | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 161 Registered: 2-2001 |
Agree, Steve. It's more action packed than primetime. Maybe an episode of "Celebrity Boxing" featuring Special Ed vs. Caps Wellington would help some network's ratings? Nice car, JScott. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2001 |
LOL, Stephen...now that you mention it, it's been quite a while since I've watched TV per se. Other than the F1 and Challenge races, my TV viewing has been limited to 1 hour per evening (before retiring to bed) of Magnum P.I. episodes that I've recorded earlier in the day -- needless to say I'm getting quite a collection of them! | ||
| Stephen Patterson (Srpatterson)
Junior Member Username: Srpatterson Post Number: 195 Registered: 11-2001 |
I'm just sorry that Jscott posted his photos wide on the page. It makes this hard to read. The 328 does look good in white BTW, This thread is better than anything on TV!!! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 348 Registered: 4-2002 |
HEY JAMES I DONT........ | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2002 |
WHART LETS NOT TALK ABOUT RELIGION OR RELIGIOUS STATUS, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED EARLY ON THIS POST | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 221 Registered: 7-2001 |
I have to admit,I like Ed's witty sense of humour | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 327 Registered: 12-2001 |
As a Jew and Ferrari owner (sorry), i for one, am glad that ed gault has returned from the dead. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2002 |
HAD A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING YOUR POST ...YOUR APOLOGY IS ACCEPTED HERE... LETS MOVE ON........ | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2002 |
J Scott - Please don't get the wrong impression of the people here b/c of this thread. This is one of those unfortunate FChat incidents.. It ALWAYS starts with some idiot making a bonehead comment.. A bad apple ruins the bunch. Fantastic car, I know you'll have a blast!! | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1440 Registered: 2-2001 |
That is my opinion and I feel that I am entitled to it also. When I log onto a Ferrari board I expect to hear from Ferrari owners with personal experiences to share. When I log onto a Chevy board I expect to hear from Chevy owners. I will be completely honest. Up until recently I almost NEVER looked at the author of a thread. I just looked at the question. I assumed for some strange reason that 99.9% of posters here were actually owners of Ferraris I tried to help them out all I could. When the Post was made "Real Quick" I looked at the heading and assumed a Ferrari owner was in trouble and needed help quickly. When I clicked on and saw it was a request for CAR WAX I was upset. I then made the comment about another wax thread. Then after being chastized I then posted the comment about a Ferrari owner having enough sense to pick out his own wax which I still believe in. Then after another exchange I then clicked on to the Author to find that the Author didn't even own a Ferrari. So Now I have a non owner with an emergency wax job on a non Ferrari posting on a Ferrari site. This is what I am upset about. Had the string been worded differently I would have never noticed it but this is exactly what happened and how I came about my feelings and opinions. If I have upset anyone then I appologize. I Just for some strange reason thought I had been talking to actual Ferrari owners since I was on a Ferrari site. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 219 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ed, So you are against non-Ferrai owners posting on this site??? Thats too bad, as I got into an extremely heated argument with Bruce, sticking up for YOU on the other "non-owners argument" thread a few weeks ago. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 345 Registered: 4-2002 |
ED YOUR "FIGHT IT OUT TECHNIQUES" ARE VERY MATURE AND SHOWS IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART.. WHY I HAVE A HARD ON FOR YOU IS THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES I HAD PROBLEMS WITH MY CAR AND I REACHED OUT FOR HELP ON THIS CHAT, YOUR COUPLE OF RESPONSES TO ME WAS THAT OF NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, BUT BEING VERY CHILDISH AND STUPID WITH YOUR ANSWERS..SO FROM THAT DAY ON, I REGARD YOU AS A MENACE TO THIS CHAT BOARD AND NON-HELPING PIECE OF SPACE TO OTHERS... FURTHERMORE, WHY CANT NON-FERRARI OWNERS POST HERE??IF THEY HAVE THE SPIRIT AND LUST FOR FERRARIS AND WANT TO LEARN AND ASK QUESTIONS, WHY NOT?? IM SURE YOU WERE A NON-OWNER AT ONE TIME, SO GO BACK DEEP IN TIME AND THINK.... | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1048 Registered: 6-2001 |
If you are against non-owners posting on this site i agree with Bruce. You dont have to own one to appriciate them. I appriciate them probably as much as most people here, yet dont own one, do you have a problem against me posting here? If you do thats a shame and its not my problem, its yours. Its nothing personal, but i can speak for the non owners when i say that we arent going to stop posting here because you have a problem with us posting here. J scott, dont worry about it. This is the time when we see what people are really made of. You arent fully responxible this, neither is dave(partially responsible), we are all to blame. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 92 Registered: 1-2002 |
OK Art, you win, two masters degrees and I have no idea what that means! Just shows that there are a lot of people smarter than me. Just kidding, nice light spin on a rather heavy thread. BTW Robert, I have pretty thick skin. I won't go away that easy. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1439 Registered: 2-2001 |
I dare anyone to post a reference to anything I have ever said detrimental to or about Bruce Wellington. Seems as though he has something against me since I have a problem with non owners posting on a Ferrari site. If I am going to be accused of being an ••••••• then I expect him to be able to back it up and not hide behind a keyboard. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 438 Registered: 6-2001 |
Frank: I understand your belief, but I think that Einstein said it all when he said: "I get hundreds and hundreds of letters but seldom one so interesting as yours. I believe that your opinions about our society are quite reasonable. It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. I have no possibility to bring the money you sent me to the appropriate receiver. I return it therefore in recognition of your good heart and intention. Your letter shows me also that wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the lifelong attempt to acquire it. " Art | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2840 Registered: 2-2001 |
Also, I like the car. Enjoy and sin no more!!!! | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 53 Registered: 5-2002 |
J Scott, I think I can speak for MOST of us when I say don't regret showing your car the majority here loved seeing it and that is what this site is for. Everyone is entitled to there opinion but there is something known as tact that unfortunately all people don't use.I hope you still feel welcome here. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2839 Registered: 2-2001 |
Scott, You should never have bought that car it is the work of the devil. Look at what it has caused. Kidding of course. Regards, | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 91 Registered: 1-2002 |
Well all, I am truly sorry that I posted my pictures. Never would I believe that such passion and anger would take place. It flies in the face of all that I believe. Let's just end it now and say that everyone has a right to thier own beliefs. I don't take any offense at what is said about my car. It is just for my pleasure and no one else. This is a wonderful community of Ferrari enthusiast. I appreciate the chance to exchange information and our love for these cars. Let us all take a deep breath and say, long live the prancing horse! Please forgive me for posting something that caused such fervor. Dave, hope you enjoy your 348! | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 296 Registered: 11-2001 |
Edward...Great to hear from you again! Glad to see you're still here. I've missed your input (especially in Tech. Forum), as well as your weekly Trivia questions. Hope everything has been going well. Jscott...you picked a beauty of a 328! The paint looks flawless in the pics. Sure wish my 308 had the 328 interior . I especially like how the yellow badging highlights the car all the way around -- very nice! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1046 Registered: 6-2001 |
What are you going to do Ed, fight him? (since we all know violence solves problems) Obviously you arent but that wasnt very mature. I understand you were making a point though. This thread is bringing out the worst in everyone, yet i cant stop myself from posting here. This is one for the hall of shame. I always thought we would see religiously motivated vioence in other countries, not on Ferrarichat! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 90 Registered: 1-2002 |
Mark: I really don't think the ABS matters much. I have not hit them hard enough to activate the system. The brakes on these cars are strong and I think the ABS may be more important in wet climates. I hope that I don't have to find out. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1438 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bruce, you are telling everyone to move on and chill but YOU are the one taking jabs and calling names. If you have an issue with me then I will gladly meet you face to face any time and any place and give you an hour to draw a crowd. Nice car by the way. I like the color combo. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1044 Registered: 6-2001 |
BTW, nice 328. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 259 Registered: 10-2001 |
Looks like you got it at a great price. I looked at a white 89 at Shelton's in south FL and they wanted $62k What do you think about the ABS? I like asking people that have tried 88 or 89 and see if any one has any good feed-back. 328 better with the ABS or not much of a differance? | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 453 Registered: 3-2001 |
Nice 328! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1040 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dave, i think someone like you needs all the people they can get to pray for them. I'm a catholic but i dont agree with my faith. This doesnt mean i dont believe in god or jesus, i just dont agree the way in which the catholic faith puts so much emphisas on preachers and material stuff and good deeds. Doesnt it say in the bible that salvation can be achieved only through faith? theres no mention of good works there. I know this because when i was "saved" by a preacher in TN while on a church trip fixing houses for really poor people he showed me bible passages and told me (and 2 of my friends) that all we had to do is ask god to save us, not do all types of good deeds. I personally dont go to church often (2x a year), thats just how i am. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if someone doesnt agree with mine i dont care. I cant believe we still kill people over something like religious and ethnic differences. I guess hobbes is right and humans are inherently evil. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 89 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thank you Mark: The year is 89 with ABS and the miles are 34,000. The A/C works great if it is under 95* and the car is cool to start. However, I live in central California and it was 103 last week. The car never really got cool on an afternoon drive. The air actually puts out a pretty good volume. I actually have had the car for about 7 months. Paid under $40K with all records and service done. It is in excellent shape but I put another $5K into getting it to where I want it. Mostly spent money on a new front spoiler, repaired the underside rockers, new rear tail light, had the wheels totally reconditioned and some minor paint touch up. The seller was in a hurry and I believe that I got a very good deal. The Carfax shows that the car had two other owners. One in the Chicago area and the other, who I purchased from, in Atlanta. Thanks for your interest. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2001 |
Great Looking Car. Thanks for the cool photos! Speaking of cool... how's the AC working? What year? How many miles? How much $(if you don't mind)? What's the history of the car? The red looks nice. Never seen one with this color combo before. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 952 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mark, there is no such thing as an atheist . While you may be lost, you still have to believe in God in order to claim that He doesn't exist. Otherwise, just what or who are you claiming doesn't exist when you claim you are an atheist ? And Dave, Christians, including Enzo to my understanding, are not perfect, they are just forgiven ! | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2002 |
J Scott, Car looks great man... Really a nice color combo (surprisngly so b/c I usually don't like white/red). To all of those harping on the religious issue... Don't get on J Scotts back for "preaching" when he was directly slammed without provaction. What a load of BS that is... As an atheist, I find that my fellow atheists tend to bait religious folks into arguments by slandering their beliefs just as often as religious folks tend to preach. That just proves that if people weren't killing each other over religion, they'd just find some other excuse. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 88 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wow! most responses to any thread that I have ever started and all because of one little picture! Discussion is great, keep it constructive, non-confrontational and fun. Don't get too personal and by all means, don't take it personally. I don't. Have a wonderful Ferrari day. Life is too short to stress over a chat thread. Enjoy!!! | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 218 Registered: 7-2001 |
Richelson, If you are reading this thread, I just want you to know that I had nothing to do with all of this bickering. P.S. I love the disco red interior!!!! Black interiors are my favorite, but I think I like the red over the rest of the other colors available. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
New member Username: Coachi Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2002 |
I like this combination, it certainly is different. Back in the 80's, we used to have a Porsche-Ferrari concourse in Laurens, SC. A white 308 would show up... with liscence tag that said ALBINO. These photos brought nice memories. As for the religious controversy, this is free country, freedom of speech and religion are guaranteed in our constitution. So let's leave religion alone, believe as you will (anyone) and enjoy those photos. Thanks for providing them. | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Junior Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 244 Registered: 4-2002 |
Congrats-very clean car! White w/ red, very nice. drive her and have fun! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 341 Registered: 4-2002 |
HEY BILL YOU FORGOT ABOUT "TIRES" TOO,WITH YOUR FLOORMATS AND WAX ME | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 266 Registered: 2-2002 |
Religion in itself is not violent. Misguided religious followers are the violent ones. Whether you are talking about Catholic pedophile priests or Islamic extremists, it is human fraility that is the root cause of the evil. Nough said. Back to car wax and floormats... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 339 Registered: 4-2002 |
J SCOTT THE THREAD IS "JUST GOT A CAMERA, HERE IS MY CAR" LETS KEEP IT LIKE THAT..DONT GO OVER OLD NEWS..I PERSONALLY RESPECT ANYONE WITH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AS LONG AS THEY DONT HURT ME OR MY FAMILY... IM SURE YOU HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO TODAY..SO MOVE ON BUDDY AND DONT TAKE THINGS SO SERIOUS FROM PEOPLE....MY 2 CENTS BRUCE | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 202 Registered: 5-2001 |
First of all, the car looks fantastic! Congratulations. In my 23 years in the military, I found that every part of the world in conflict that I was sent to was due to religious fighting. Why is that? Many people do not realize that most religions have a violent side. Sometimes the violence is affected against negative attitudes, which must be purged. Other times it involves organized killing. Although some spiritual figures advocate unconditional peace, many organized Churches support what is termed, the JUST WAR! What is a just war? I am glad you asked. It is organized killing, when absolutely necessary, of other human beings on the wrong side of the religious or political fence. All peaceful solutions have failed, the enemy poses some kind of grand scale threat, and there is a reasonable expectation of victory. Most theologians, for instance, would agree that Hitler simply had to be stopped. Agree, disagree, or partly agree, one thing is clear. Religion has its violent side. Perhaps a humane religion differs from a ruthless one through its mercy. Prisoners are well treated, not summarily executed. Moreover, when the war ends, the killing stops. This may not sit well with you peacemakers. However, it is fact, not fiction. When all else fails, many world religions advocate war. Just my humble atheist opinion, Joe | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 86 Registered: 1-2002 |
You know folks, I just wanted to post a few pictures of my car. I am sorry if Dave is offended by my license plate frame. It is not my intent to ever offend. However, I know that the message of Christianity is an offense to those who do not believe. Dave, it is very sad that you have had bad experiences with Christians. I too have had some really bad experiences in my 50 years. Two years ago a Christian stole over $70K from me. But, I don't blame God or Christianity. The guy did it himself and I am sure God was not happy with him. But you know what? I will never claim to be without fault. I'm very competitive, I can be aggressive and sometimes downright offensive. But that is me, not God. Good thing I have a gracious God who forgives me, not because of anything I have ever done but what Jesus did for me. You may want to check Him out, he is big enough to stand up to any questions or accusations. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 325 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hey michael: that car was pristine when i got it, i think, in the summer of 99: it had little more than 3k miles on the clock, and absolutely nothing was wrong with it, other than that one of the straps holding the speedo in was detached. (The car had a funky radar detector with a display in the speedo, which was probably the reason why it was not put back together properly). I think i had a big service done (don't remember), put some fresh tires on it, and when i turned it in a few months later,with an additional 3k miles on the clock, got what i paid for it. It was a nice car. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 802 Registered: 9-2001 |
As I mentioned in another thread - it is no wonder that we have people killing each other over religion. | ||
| Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
New member Username: Michael_fvm Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hey wm hart! We currently have your old 328 for sale here at Fox Valley Motorcars! I think you'll be glad to know that it has been very well taken care of, and is so nice, we have it on our showroom floor. I love the way the white/red combination looks. It only has about 9500 miles yet the 15k, 30k, and clutch have all been done. While I have not seen any of your other cars, I have to agree with your wife that this is a great looking car! | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2002 |
Absobloodylutely dave. I don't really care what faith Enzo may/may not have had, the cars are awesome (well most of them, I wouldn't say I loved EVERY F car). When I see that fish on the rear I just think 'SAD'. Funnily enough we often find those that are supposedly great 'believers' are the first to back stab at any opportunity that may arise in real life situations. I speak as I have found through my 39 yrs of being on this planet, sorry if this doesn't fit others ideals. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 153 Registered: 7-2001 |
Please,, Enzo...the good Catholic with a Mistress and children out of wedlock LOL...love it....If he's a good Catholic then Im the Pope!! No one here is above anyone else no matter what book of fables you believe in. If a guy wants to paint or put anything on his car ...GO FOR IT. You paid for it you can do whatever you want to it no matter what any car person thinks.More power to you...no matter what source you derive it from. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 54 Registered: 4-2002 |
Frank too, there u go, and suprise suprise BANG 'another lecture', I rest my case, you guys just CAN'T resist it can you. My family and freinds and work colleagues are all the faith I need, ta. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 109 Registered: 5-2002 |
In the words of a famous King "Can we all just get along" j. Scott, I love the car.. I think the red interior in a Ferrari is just as cool as having a red exterior.. Very sporty...... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 949 Registered: 9-2001 |
Even non-Christian historians agree that Jesus was a person and that he was a good man and teacher. A good man would not lie and a good teacher would not teach false doctrine. Since Jesus said that he was/is the Son of God and taught us about salvation, unless he was a liar and a fraud, it must be true. So you really only have two choices here. You either believe that Jesus was/is the Son of God and only through Him do you get to know God,as I believe, or that Jesus was a liar, fraud and bad teacher. Where to you stand ? And , I'm sure Jesus loves Ferrari motorcars and appreciates what designers and engineers have created as objects of beauty and performance. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 486 Registered: 7-2001 |
AT LAST! Another white 328! I love the red interior, a much nicer contrast than my tan. Congrats on your new toy. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 800 Registered: 9-2001 |
J scott Well done | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 85 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks for the comments. The car came from the east coast. Was in the hands of an individual. Got all of the records, never in Frank Beard's collection. It is my favorite as well. I have had two so far. BTW Dave: I appreciate your right to make any comment you want. I have no need or desire to impress anyone. I'm sorry that you feel preached to since I am only responding to your comments. However, you are correct, we Christians can't help ourselves. If I am a fool, it is for Jesus and that is O.K. with me. I believe that mechanical engineering is a fine field of study, my areas of study have been usefull and practical to me. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 334 Registered: 4-2002 |
TOM I AGREE, THANKS FOR THE EDUCATION.. BRUCE | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 799 Registered: 9-2001 |
Bruce The fish sign is similar in ways to a cross sign, hence J scott took exception. Lets just stick to cars, it makes it easier. Though we sometimes have problems with that | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2002 |
DAVE AND J SCOTT IM NOT OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH BUT I BELIEVE IN ONE DAY YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO SOMEONE.. SECONDLY, I THINK DAVE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FISH DESIGN ON THE PLATE, NOT THE "J.C" WORDING.. I THINK J SCOTT JUMPED ON DAVES BACK TOO QUICK THIRDLY, WHART-- YOUR NEW NAME FROM ME AND ROB LAY IS JIMMY PAGE... GUYS JUST CHILL.....WE HAVE ENOUGH ED GAULTS AND KEN MRROU ON THIS F-CHAT... | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 324 Registered: 12-2001 |
I couldn't care less about what others believe in, as long as it does no harm... Back to the car: i had an 89, exactly like this one. Came from frank beard's collection. What's the history of this car? (BTW, out of all the cars i've owned in the last few years, that one was my wife's favorite). | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 945 Registered: 9-2001 |
Well said JScott. I too am a servant of Jesus Christ and appreciate your standing up for your beliefs. As a Christian I love to see others succeed and obtain their dreams while not forgetting the most important goal in life to serve Jesus. Dave and Martin should show more respect but as apparent non-believers they are only living in the temporal world I suppose. It's funny how no one would have commented had you had a baseball sticker or some other sports team tag bracket on your car. But, since you are proud of your relationship with Christ, some people get nervous. That's because they are lost and have no assurances on what will happen to them after this life. We must minister to those lost souls. If anyone wants to know more about Christ and how he can change your life here on earth as well as in eternity, please call, e-mail, write or contact me any way you can. I will be happy to give my testimony of the power of Jesus. And as far as Ferrari is concerned, from what I've read, Enzo was a devote Catholic who believed in Christ and gave a lot to that church over the years. So the limited edition,F-Eternity will be in heaven for us Christians to enjoy one fine day. Amen. | ||
| Doug Meredith (Doug308)
Junior Member Username: Doug308 Post Number: 164 Registered: 2-2001 |
Oh Boy. More mud slinging faith discussions. I thought everyone here converted to Martinism a while back | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 51 Registered: 4-2002 |
UGHHH...Excuse me while I throw up, having just been preached at. You guys just can't help it can you. Pray you don't pray for me. I guess the fact that you bring it up means I am supposed to be impressed by that degree? Just for the record I'm not. BTW you can even get one in Frisby throwing these days. Myself, I prefer Masters in real tangible stuff like Aeronautical Engineering thanks. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2158 Registered: 5-2001 |
what is with the gold plated Jesus license plate frame? | ||
| Peter K. (Bubba)
New member Username: Bubba Post Number: 43 Registered: 5-2002 |
Very nice color combo! Have fun! | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 84 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dave: Sorry that you feel that way about my statement of faith. I guess that if you feel that it is "dopey" we don't share the same view. If this is the case, well I guess I really don't want to be taken seriously. What may be rubbish to you is very personal to me and others. Even we people of faith can enjoy the passion of owning a fine car without any feelings of guilt. Everything that I have is a gift and I always thank the Giver. Perhaps you would be interested in knowing more about why I am so serious. I am a licensed minister with an advanced degree in theology who runs a fairly successful company. Prosperity is not a result of my faith and I have never really asked for it, but I am thankful for what I have been givem. My faith is an intergal part of every aspect of my life, even my cars which I don't take very seriously. I enjoy them but don't let them "own" me. Feel free to contact me via email if you like. In the mean time, enjoy the passion of Ferrari. P.S. Dave, I'm really not offended, so please don't be offended if I pray for you. There is much more to life than just cars and toys. Thanks for listening (reading). | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
New member Username: Dapper Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hey, that looks really nice. The white with red looks really nice. Not sure about the dopey fish on the rear though, to be taken seriously I'd get well shot of that rubbish. | ||
| David A. Spear (Detailman)
New member Username: Detailman Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
Very nice! Have fun | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 83 Registered: 1-2002 |
A couple more pics. Hope it doesn't take too much memory space.    | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 82 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thank you, I live in Central California. Clovis to be exact. The trees are really Aptos Pines. They grow very fast and are beautiful. I really enjoy my 328. | ||
| Ryanab (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 90 Registered: 3-2002 |
Great color combination!! Where do you live? I see Palm Trees.. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Junior Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 81 Registered: 1-2002 |
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