| Author | Message | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2002 |
If Enzo were alive he would be threatening in the press to pull Ferrari from F1 and go CART racing, screaming at the team manager to stop being a blithering idiot and make the team orders more subtle and finally he would be manoevering to make Rubens and Michael feel threatened by each other while screwing them both out of a ton of money. Dont you miss the old days? | ||
| Toby T (Tobyt)
New member Username: Tobyt Post Number: 39 Registered: 3-2002 |
This story is BS. It won't happen. period. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2181 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nothing is going to happen. they will slap Ferrari for doing so, change the rules to be better able to control these issues in the future and that is the end of that! Ferrari is what brings people to the grandstands. Bernie would not hurt himself or his pocket book. Okay, maybe himself if he can make some money of that! | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 206 Registered: 5-2001 |
JP, No matter how Ferrari wins within the rules, you either are a Ferrari fan or not. If not, it does not matter. Teams are allowed to use team orders. The main issue of the hearing on the 26th is for their behavior on the podium not the gifting of the race to Schuey. That has been beat to death already with a lot of top names backing the rule. Joe | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 954 Registered: 9-2001 |
If it was a team order with no input from MS, then the team should lose all constructor points for the race with RB getting 1st place drivers points and MS getting 2nd place drivers points. If MS had anything to do with it at all, he should get no points at all for the race. All teams should be notified that if this happens again, the team will be disqualified for the season losing all constructors points . | ||
| chris (Wrench_turner)
New member Username: Wrench_turner Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2002 |
That story is a probably a complete fabrication. There is no basis in the FIA rules for awarding Rubens the victory unless Schumacher is disqualified for the antics on the podium following the race. However, Rubens is as guilty of them as Michael so there is probably no chance of that. The controversial pass is completely legal. Max Mosely himself recently reaffirmed that there is not, has never been, nor ever shall be any rule against team orders. That said, the FIA can really do anything they want, but they have no justification by their own rules to punish the team or the drivers for the pass during the race. The only thing the FIA can do (and will likely do) is penalize BOTH Michael and Rubens for violating the decorum of the podium ceremony. Trite as it might seem, the FIA takes that VERY serioulsy. There's no F1 race at Jerez anymore because one of the dignitaries violated the sanctity of the podium at the last race held there. Actually, there is one thing they could do - there is a rule about damaging the image of F1, which the FIA could invoke against Ferrari for the blatancy of the pass, saying that it damaged F1's reputation as a sport. In that case the whole team would get probably get punished (loss of constructor points and driver points) again leaving Rubens not in first place. The prescedent set at Japan in '99 (or was it '00?) for not punishing the drivers for actions of the team might indicate Rubens coming out the winner, but I still think it is pretty unlikely Rubens will escape punishment for the podium thing. I'd guess that both cars (and drivers) will be disqualified at the least from that race and possibly for one or two others. When the FIA hands down punishment it is usually draconian... | ||
| James P. Smith (Tigermilk)
Junior Member Username: Tigermilk Post Number: 87 Registered: 7-2001 |
I hope he does get stripped. What Ferrari did was bush league. It's one thing to allow an easy pass during key points of the race, but the manner in which it was done at Austria was wrong. | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 157 Registered: 7-2001 |
Its good for Rubens and the race had clearly shown from qualifying to the last lap he is for real and can win. His performance this year is good. When you look at the reliability issues he faced early on Rubens would be a very close second to MS. I personally think Rubens is the equal to Juan or Ralf. He deserves those points. | ||
| F-J'87EuroTR (Ferrarijoe)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarijoe Post Number: 205 Registered: 5-2001 |
Marcus, If you have been watching F1 for a while then you should know how the �selected� press would come up with this type of fabrication to stir up the F1 pot and make Ferrari look bad. The price you pay for being out front  I would have to say that this is a common practice of the F1 press every time they become bored and after seeing Ferrari win in Canada, they are bored again. Most of the press in F1 is British based and they tend to not support the efforts made by the Scudaria. Instead, they jump on anything that would tarnish them and bring more favor to their fellow countrymen or teams. Just my thoughts, Joe | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 815 Registered: 9-2001 |
at this point it would be better for ferrari - as it will push rubens higher. not a big deal for michael since he won and came in second since then and montoya or his brother have always been behind. ferrari does it again | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
New member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2002 |
So does that mean that Rubens will get the full points? Seems like a good source, but I still think it is too early to be speculative. Thanks for the info! ---John | ||
| Marcus Mayeux (Mmayeux73)
Member Username: Mmayeux73 Post Number: 252 Registered: 4-2002 |
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mo...er_austrian_ap/ FIA still mum Report: Schumacher to be stripped of Austrian title Posted: Wednesday June 12, 2002 9:02 AM HALLE, Germany (AP) -- Formula One authorities are set to strip Michael Schumacher of his controversial Austrian Grand Prix victory last month, the magazine Auto, Motor und Sport reported Wednesday. The German trade publication, with a reputation for accuracy, quoted sources from the sport's governing body FIA in saying Schumacher's Ferrari teammate Rubens Barrichello would be awarded the grand prix title. Ferrari ignited worldwide outrage in Austria when team boss Jean Todt ordered Barrichello to slow down on the final straight and let Schumacher pass him to help the German's bid for a fifth world title. The trade magazine said the 23-member FIA world council favors basing the race result on the penultimate lap when a hearing is held on the incident June 26 in Paris. Barrichello was easily ahead of his Ferrari teammate at that point. Schumacher's' spokeswoman Sabine Kehm said the driver and his team took no stand on the magazine's report. "We can't comment on every rumor that comes along," Kehm said. An unnamed FIA official also told the German sports agency SID that no one from his organization could confirm or deny Schumacher would be stripped of the title. "No FIA official can say something like that now, because it will all be decided at the council meeting," he said. "It's hard to say what will happen, but its impossible to make statements like that today." If Schumacher loses the title, the German would get second place points of six in the drivers' title instead of 10 for the winner, not enough to threaten the German's huge lead of 43 over William BMW drivers' Juan Montoya and younger brother Ralf Schumacher. Even at the Canada Grand Prix last week, there were still isolated boos from the spectators at the Ferrari team. "We won't do something like that ever again," Michael Schumacher said. The Ferrari bosses have left open the possibility of more 'team orders' for their drivers in the future, although Todt admitted he would also have to factor in the damage to the famed Italian team's image after Austria. Several other teams, including Williams and Honda Jordan, have said they have also called in instructions to their drivers during the race to not attack teammates or let them pass in the team's interest. ____ |