| Author | Message | ||
| Nick Iliff (Nickdtm)
New member Username: Nickdtm Post Number: 3 Registered: 6-2002 |
I love the F60... I'd go so far as to say I like it a lot more than the F40 or F50. I'm not all about the new cars though, I like the looks of the F355 more than the 360. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 157 Registered: 5-2002 |
F60 reminds me of the Bat mobile | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 469 Registered: 3-2001 |
And yet the design of the Carrera GT doesn't scream out, "Hey, look at me, I'm gaudy" the way the F60 does. The F60 is radically ugly IMO. The Carrera GT is classically cool looking. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 300 Registered: 2-2002 |
I saw the Porsche at the Detroit Auto Show and it ain't no Boxster. It's one of the most beautiful, dramatic cars you will ever see. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 760 Registered: 8-2001 |
The Porsche Carrera GT looks like a souped up Boxster to me. I bet it will be mistaken for one on the street when it comes out.  | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 468 Registered: 3-2001 |
I agree with most of you about the looks of the F60... way too extreme. I've never been a big Porsche fan but I think the new V-10 Carrera GT is a great looking car. It's clean, crisp, low, unbelievably fast (550 hp) but not way out there with the F60 relative to looks... the F60 is just too extreme IMO. Here's a link to the Carrera GT. Anybody else like the looks of this thing? http://www.porsche.com/english/news/modelinformation/carreragt/default.htm | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 432 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hey Ben what are you doing over here? | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2002 |
Of course they are! Some of the best ever I personally feel! Best! Ben. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1464 Registered: 2-2001 |
Because of the new cars, I can afford an old car. That must be some kind of irony. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2002 |
I definitely like the older cars, simply because I can fix them without having to own a zillion dollars worth of special computer diagnostic tools. Fixing a 308 or an old 911 is fairly straight forward. I would be totally lost on a newer car. That said, I do think some of the modern engineering is just amazing. The Porsche vario-cam system that allows variable cam profile and valve timing at different revs is amazing stuff. So are F1 and tiptronic transmissions. | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1463 Registered: 2-2001 |
You guys should have to see some of the modern cars that I deal with every day with multable on board computers. One for the engine, body, transmission, ABS, air bag, air conditioner, suspension, and traction control, and all of them interfaceing with each other. You really appreciate the simplicity of a 308 when you get hold of one of those nightmares. Some Subarus won't start when you pull into the Mobil Fast Pass gas stations due to interference from the RF. ARGHHHHH!!!! | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2659 Registered: 2-2001 |
I love new cars, damn I wish I wasn't constantly working on mine, granted that a lot of the work is in my quest for HP, but still. I like older cars though more, I understand them. I really have no idea how Ferrari is running 11:1 comp while passing emissions, etc. And have no idea what kind of lifters their using, etc. To be honest I probably wont have any idea until I am old enough to have a newer car when I can read and pretend I know. The point of my rambling is I like old cars, like the 308, because they are more intimate and I know how they work in their entirety, and therefore can keep them working. If I had enough money though, I sure as hell would have a new something sitting next to the 308. I think my post here was the epitome of rambling. | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
New member Username: Donv Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2002 |
I, too, love Ferraris old and new. I own a Mondial Cab and a 365GT 2+2, a relatively modern car and a carbureted V12, and I enjoy them both. They each have a unique persona, for sure. Whart, I just took a 500-mile round trip in my 33-year old 365 last weekend. That's the kind of thing the car was designed to do, and it does it well. It's a bit of an adventure, but that's part of the fun. (The 120 mph blasts through the high desert are also fun!) And, in nine years, I've never had a problem which kept me from getting home. | ||
| Peter K. (Bubba)
New member Username: Bubba Post Number: 44 Registered: 5-2002 |
In general, I love Ferraris, old and new. The thought of owning any Ferrari is very exciting. Currently, I own a Mondial, which a fair number of people think doesn't really deserve the Ferrari badge. I could care less. It's still a Ferrari. The F60 looks very strange to me at first. But, in time, I probably would come to appreciate it more, just like the F50 when it first came out. Weird at first, but pretty good afterwards. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Junior Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 124 Registered: 2-2002 |
We're seeing the F60 (FX) for the first time. Sure, it may look a bit strange at first. The F40 seemed that way to me the first time I saw it. I've come to appreciate it, and the F50 as well. What we're seeing with these cars are street-legal GT racers. A deserted highway at night could easily become the Mulsanne Straight. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 73 Registered: 5-2002 |
Jack I obviously agree that the F60 is lost. Good point Richelson about out of town repairs. Wouls also be true about side of road repairs. A carburated car with a few extra fuses,elect.tape, etc. might get going again. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 748 Registered: 12-2001 |
My appeal lies in the older Ferraris. I like the newer Ferraris but I am more partial to the older cars. The don't do everything for you so to speak. There is more communication between the car and driver IMO. I enjoy taking them on a trip too. If I were to have to repair the car out of town I have a much better chance on an older Ferrari than a 360 or the likes. Just MHO. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 393 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ferrari has always produced beautiful cars, and managed to continue improving them over the years as well. Certainly people like or dislike particular models over others, but that's part of it all. A Ferrari for everyone's taste. Now, I agree about the looks of the F60. I've mentioned it a couple times, expecting to get skewered, but nobody really cared. I think the F60 just looks weird. It's as if it's trying to be too many things. Almost like one of those bad futuristic B-movie cars. Does anyone agree? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 334 Registered: 12-2001 |
Enzo's passing (and his earlier passing of the torch with respect to road cars) had and has little to do with what comes off Pininfarina's drawing board. As to the old/funky v. new, the same is true for virtually any car: compare the most pedestrian american car of today, and of yore, and remember all the nice metal work, leather that didn't seem to grow out of a lab bottle, and the cool instrumentation, switchgear, etc. I too, love the old ferraris, and agree that the new ones are markedly different, but don't attribute that to a change of direction. You can't build a 50's car today, unless your aim is nostalgia. How many of you have driven the early 250s or pre-production road cars? It is my understanding that they drive like trucks, that for the time they might have been ahead of the pack(ard), but given the state of auto design and mechanicals in the late 40's -50's, even the corvair would have been a revelation. Also, to what extent do you want to drive the car, rather than just look at it? i know there are people who can do long trips in the older cars, but i'm not that much of an adventurer:the notion of putting a 40 year old car on a cross country trip is, frankly, frightening, unless you expect to put up with breakdowns, etc. (i'm not suggesting that todays' ferrari is flawless in that regard, but there is a chance i could get a part if i had a problem while on a trip). | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 67 Registered: 5-2002 |
The F40 is a perfect example. Enzo saw it on the drawing table and I am sue he interjected. Now look at the F50 and F60. Seems like something is missing. Yes the new cars are tech advanced the 550/575 scream but as far as all the bells and whistles we are talking sports cars. I know where the Mercedes dealer is. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 958 Registered: 9-2001 |
I love all Ferraris, old and new, (even the 360 Dino) but agree that the new cars don't give you the same visceral experience as the older cars. My old 330GTC gave you an experience of sight, sound ,smell and feel that new cars of any type fail to give. Even my 400GT gave sensations of what a Ferrari should be still about that my later 328, TR and 348 were unable to deliver. But, the new cars have modern conveinences that the old cars didn't have . So, everyone needs at least one old front engined, carburated v12 and a modern car in order to get the full Ferrari experience. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 261 Registered: 10-2001 |
I've never been a Enzo fan. Some people think the guy is GOD. I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I could care less about the guy. Just a funny named Italian that built a great car company. I don't give a care about Hennery Ford, or Bill Gates either. I just find it funny how some people are Enzo nuts. All I care about is sexy, sleek, exotic cars that keep getting more reliable. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 111 Registered: 3-2002 |
a couple of different comments: in this case i think old was not better. reliability of the new cars (only really since montezemolo's arrival in 92), has made them much more of a pleasure to own. its no longer such a labor of love. pininfarina still come up with some great designs so i don't think the 'new ferrari' have let us down in the looks dept. on the other hand, and i have mentioned this before in another thread, i think ferrari has been so obsessed during montezemolo's tenure to make their 12 cylinder cars more conservative and unobtrusive, that they may be losing some of their other followers who love the extreme styling of yore. despite the awesome performance of the 550/575, would you really describe it as an 'exotic'? probably not. the lay person doesn't even notice it in traffic. compare it to the murcielago, as so many magazines are doing right now, and you get the idea that only lambo is still willing to let it all hang out with the 12 cylinder. that car's wild styling really is exotic and catches the hearts and imagination of the less conservative enthusiast much more than the 575. and before all you tifosi flame me for blasphemy, think about whether or not you would like to see ferrari put out a mid engine 12 cylinder beast (priced similarly to the murcielago to keep it fair); and the f60 doesn't count given that it will be rare and stratospherically priced. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 54 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yup. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 748 Registered: 8-2001 |
Are new Ferraris really Ferraris? Of course, they are. They come out of the same factory as the older cars. Engineered by people working there. All labels in the cars say they're Ferraris. So what's there to debate? | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Junior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 222 Registered: 12-2001 |
Im going to get some flack over this but I think technology is what takes away from the new cars. I like simple overengineered cars where overcompensation was employed. You can be one with the car with the older designs. Nothing, including Ferraris stir the emotions like the older cars do, the sound isnt there and the raw mechanical feel is gone. No more personality or soul. Piss on technology. give me an old house, old ferrari with old well built furniture. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2001 |
The F40 is as close to Enzos original philosophy as anything before it or since. A barely de-tuned race car for the street. Almost like it was in the old days of racing. Drive the car to the track, race all day and then drive home. But I agree that many of the production cars of late lack the excitement of the 60's 70's road cars. I love the 550 but it just doesn't do the same thing to me as a Daytona. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2002 |
Well, at least the F360 is an improvement of the F355. Except the sound.... | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 64 Registered: 5-2002 |
I read the post on bickering, etc. Figured I'd stir this pot again.Enzo turned production cars over to Fiat in 72 and only dealt with racing. We all know what was being made at the time of his passing in the late 80's. I'll even extend it to what was on the drawing board at his passing. Some of these new cars seem strange looking. Pinnafarina has'nt gotten it right since the 355.JMO |