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| Michael McLaughlin (Speedrace)
New member Username: Speedrace Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2003 |
Greetings to all! I just acquired a mint '85 Mondial Cab. The car came from California, and because I live in the Denver area, it is running way too rich. Is there anyone on the list that lives at a high altitude and can walk me through how to adjust the mixture?. I am mechanically inclined having raced and built Formula cars and sports cars for many years, so will be doing the maintaining and modifications on this car myself. Great forum!. I'm fortunate to have found you guys (and gals--if any are out there!) | ||
| michael dipple (Viking)
New member Username: Viking Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Anglo,I like your idear about the fuse problem,I just bought a 89 cabriolet 3.2.The gentelman that had the car befor me told me about the fuse problem he constantly had .One of theses days I shall have you look at it,Mick.. P.S. I also like what the other person did about his windows .. | ||
| roger j comer (Comer)
New member Username: Comer Post Number: 3 Registered: 9-2002 |
Heath, I think the company Re-Originals can be found at 713-849-2400 or Fax 713-849-2401. I sent away for the Ferrari catalog and see that they seem to handle ALL Italian machines. Just paid $1200 for dealer installed plug set on my TR!!!! They sell them all day for $700 ....wish I'd joined your chat room earlier...of course I've not seen the quality but I suspect that they will be every bit as good. | ||
| Zen Wijeyesinghe (Zen)
New member Username: Zen Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2002 |
Does anyone know if there is an alternate water pump for the Mondial QV? Mine is leaking and I have been told that the damn thing is going to cost me AUS $1310. If someone has already gone through the pain of finding out, I would really appreciate them letting me know. Cheers, Zen | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
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Hey Peter, I don't which piece of the ignition switch you need, but I just a part of my ignition repaired at a dealership, and the part cross-referenced to a BMW part that was much cheaper. You might check it out. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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What brand/sizes tires people putting on their Mondial T's. I am curious how wide or tall tires will fit in wheel well (thinking of spacers) my car sits awfully low and speed bumbs really give the car a scrape on teh side moldings. thinking of Yoko avs db since it is a convertible and the road noise is very loud. any thoughts are welcome. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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HAVING TROUBLE INSTALLING NEW INJECTORS. WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE ORING THAT FITS AROUND THE INJECTOR. THE ONES I RECIVED ARE LARGER THAN THE WHOLE THEY HAVE TO FIT IN IN THE INTAKE. I KNOW IT HAS TO BE A TIGHT FIT BUT??? OR IS THEIR SOME TRICK TO THIS I DON'T KNOW. NEED ADVICE!!! THIS PROJECT SHOULDN'T BE AS HARD AS IT IS BECOMING. THANKS HEATH 84 MONDIAL CAB | ||
| Peter Connolly (Mondial_32_Aus)
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I have a faulty ignition switch in my Mondial 3.2, I can get a new replacement 308 ignition switch for about US$90, is this the same part? Also, does anyone have any tips on how to perform this procedure? Does the ignition barrel have to be removed first? Regards Peter | ||
| mike tarrant (Miketarrant)
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Window Lift Fix Full step by step posted under Technical Q&A. Note colours apply to Mondial, though the principle should apply to 308s as well. | ||
| Jorma Johansson (Jjfinland)
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Sad to say Edward, when juli is over the summer is over. Its 18 - 20 dec. cels. but raining almost every day. The Ferrari season is short. I still have my Moto Guzzi ( Italian) to play with. After september its too gould to ride a motorcycle. Ferrari is varm but i hate to wet it down. I have been racing road course last 14 years but this summer is the first one I did not go out whit my car. So I will start to make the race car to show room condition , I have had several race cars, but the last one I will keep as a memory. The car is tube frame F40 shell with Chevy engine ( 600+ hp) and a Porche group C gearbox. I will send some pictures when I manage to fix this f***** computer to send one. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Thanks Jorma, $16 is Cheep! I'll try them this weekend Whats the weather like in Finland in August. | ||
| Jorma Johansson (Jjfinland)
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Edward, it takes you only two minutes to test if the relays would help you. I explane in 308GTSi how to do, I belive its about the same in Mondial. Open the right door, take away the fusebox cover, look for a set of wires coming from the door, there is 6 wires, two of them are thicker ,these are the wires you have to test. There is 10 cm cable and then a coupling wich you have to pull apart, now feed in power to this couple of thicker wires (going in the door), + or - depending wich way its going. You will notice at once if it will help you. I used BOSCH relays and they costed me 16$. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Michael, Hello I'm just to the south of you in Lone Tree/Highlands Ranch. (1985 Mondial QV Cab.) Sounds to me like you have a dead plug wire or poor cap electrode. The trick is to remove each wire in succession, while car is ideling (rough). And find the wire that when removed, does not add a miss. Incidently, when you raise RPM's, a miss will be masked by the other cylinders running good. Also, in a dark garage, you can see and hear a jumping spark, say from the distributor cap to an SS oil hose or something else. If you want to bring it down tomorrow, I'll be in my garage all day.( my happy spot) Oh yah, make sure you wear good leather gloves sparky, or it'll really add to your 70's afro. .................................................................................Soooo, Stewert's Ferrari dented your car, Twice? I always knew that they were passing off High School Mechanics for Techs. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Mike, Thanks for the schematic and the window fix, that is definitly the correct method to fix slow windows. OK,ok, little help now. Jorma's car has two greens and two yellows, (Left and Right respectfully) Your schematic indicates Blue & Yellow and Yel/Bk & Bl/Bk. Which color combination/config. should I expect to see this weekend? ( I just got a new motor from Nick, but I want to try the relay fix frist.) | ||
| michael marchese (Bigdog)
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I have a '80 308 gtsi that has hesitation at low rpm's and somewhat of a "miss" until I start taching it out at approximately 2-3000 rpms, upward rpm's it's smooth. I'm not mechanically inclined, just want to know if it's anything that needs to be done or if it can wait till cooler weather. Also can anyone recommend an extremely GOOD and reliable mechanic? I'm in Westminster Colorado, near Boulder. I've had my car dented twice at local Ferrari dealership. | ||
| Jorma Johansson (Jjfinland)
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Thanks Mike, two hours and fast windows. I placed two relays on each side under dashbord, no need even to touch the doors. I cut the two green wires ( left side ) and the two yellow ones at the right side and placed the relay there. 308 GTSi | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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HAVE YOU CHECKED WITH A COMPANY CALLED RE-ORGINALS. THEY SAY THEIR MATERIALS ARE THE SAME AND THEIR PRICES ARE MUCH,MUCH BETTER THAN DEALERSHIP.DON'T HAVE THEIR NUMBER BUT THEY HAVE ADDS IN WWW.HEMMINGS.COM (FERRARI PARTS) HEATH | ||
| Alex Vivaldi (Vivaldi)
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Trying to nail what material 1987 Mondial Cabriolets used for the boot cover (cloth matching top or leather matching interior)? I have seen both and been told both! About to buy one, and want to make sure it's right at these prices. Thanks. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Thanks ERIK, I will look into this , sounds like the right heavy duty fix. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Mike Tarrant, you have saved the day! This one posting should solve everyone's problems with their window motors. Thank you very much, I'll try it out! | ||
| mike tarrant (Miketarrant)
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Fix for slow window lifts. I finally go fed up with the slow lift on my Mondial QV windows so decided to track down the cause. As I suspected, the window lift switches introduce high resistance to the lift circuit and result in only 8 volts reaching the motors. As power is proportional to the square of the voltage, this means the poor motors operates at less than 1/2 power. No wonder they struggle. The solution is shown in the attached diagram, which requires the addition of 4 relays to the window lift circuit. Those interested can check if the solution will work by removing the door trim, disconnecting both wires to the lift motor (Push in connectors), and run jumper leads direct from the battery to the motor. Note the motor will go up with the polarity one way and down with the other. If this cures the slow lift them the relay scheme will work. If not, you have some mechanical drag. Anyone deciding to attempt this fix can contact me at [email protected] for additional detail.  | ||
| Erik Jonsson (Gamester)
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Re Jumpstart Go to a forklift repair shop, purchase a pair of blue(300 amp) battery connectors. They use these for a quick disconnect on electric forklifts. Have them attach a couple 2 foot cables to the car side with ring terminals to go to the battery. Have them make a set of jumper cables for the other blue end, you may need to get the alligator clamps from Interstate battery. Use 2 or 1 or 1/0 guage wire. If they don't carry the wire, you can get it from any welding shop. Many tow truck companies have this setup mounted to the front grille or bumper of their rig, it would be prettier if you simply used an L bracket and mounted it in the spare tire area. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Anybody have any tips on jump starting a Mondial T without removing the tire ( you can't make this stuff up...) it is almost like they designed the entire car and then someone realized...whoaaa (or italian equivilant) we forgot about the battery! I am thinking of hooking up a cable and making a accessible jumpstart point for the car...anyone do this or consider it? Why is it that Ferrari designers like to play a little hide and go seek game with the batteries in these cars? | ||
| Mark Grevera (Markgr)
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I tried that, thanks. I was informed that on a fuel injected system that vapor lock should not be a problem? | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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I did a trip with my parents about 15 years ago in a Ford Taurus rental. We went into the desert in AZ and in the middle of the heat the car died. Would not start. We tried everything. What it was was the fuel in the gas tank pressurized the tank and did block the fuel system with too much pressure. Open the fuel cap and see if there was a lot of pressure in it. Just a suggestion. | ||
| Chuck Rine (Chuck348ts)
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This has got to be one of the longest running threads on the site. | ||
| Mark Grevera (Markgr)
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I have an interesting problem with my 1985 308QV. I just had a 30K service less than a year ago and the car has approx 28k miles on it. The problem I ran into recently was when I was driving the car and it heated up to about 195 and the car died while I was driving it. I can reproduce this problem sitting in my driveway. The only thing I can do is wait for it to cool down and then it fires back up. I checked to see if I was getting spark when it was just cranking and I am. I also switched out the Fuel Pump realy with another one and had the same problem. Any thoughts on what this could be? | ||
| Dean Ramsay (Dean)
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Thanks Steve. Makes sense. It's a b&#$h to put back together though. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Dean -- The fixed caliper design is usually executed with spacers (intentionally) inserted between the caliper and the upright (to be the adjustment mechanism absorbing the manufacturing tolerances) so that the brake disk can be fairly well-centered in the caliper opening (but doesn't have to be perfect). I believe the 4 washers/spacers are a "kit" (and may be of slightly different thicknesses as you noted) -- during assembly (or reassembly), the technician selects whatever number/combination of spacers that he/she needs to do the disk centering and then puts the unused spacers on the other side under the bolt head as a storage location. So it's really a (clever IMHO) way to make sure that during later servicing the technician always has access to the necessary spacers if disk recentering is required. It's also easier for the manufacturing/parts people, as this way, every car gets the same part set. | ||
| Dean Ramsay (Dean)
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I was servicing the brakes on my Mondial 3.2 L and was puzzled to discover that each brake caliper bolt had 4 washers (in a row) that were used as a spacer "between" the caliper and the strut. 2 washers on the inside were thicker than the two on the outside. Anyone have any ideas on why 4 washers were used instead of just one or none? Heat distribution? Manufacturing defect? Brake pads were made to thin? Any ideas? Thanks. | ||
| Frank Terhaar-Yonkers (Fty)
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Heath, Glad to hear the WaterPump surgery went okay. This weekend I changed the (fuel pressure) Accumulator on my '85 Cab. Not too bad an operation. Mine was weeping (noticed gas smell) out the air vent. Starts a lot better when hot now as well, as there is instant fuel pressure when you hit the key. The next project is to change the heater blower, and it looks to be nasty .. Anyone done or had one done before? cheers - Frank 1985 Mondial Cab-Euro Red/Black | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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WELL I FINISHED MY INSTALLATION OF A NEW WATER PUMP ON MY MONDIAL. WHAT A PAIN IN THE ASS! IT WAS NO PROBLEM WHEN THE FACTORY INSTALLED THEIR'S I BET THEY CHEATED AND PUT THE DARN THING ON WHEN THE ENGIN WAS OUT. I AM AT LEAST 5 POUNDS LESS FOR THE EFFORT BUT THE OPERATION WAS A SUCESS. NOW IF NATURE WILL CO-OPERATE AND LET UP ON THE THUNDER SHOWERS I WILL BE A HAPPY FERRARI CAMPER AND BE BACK ON THE ROAD. HEATH | ||
| Dean Ramsay (Dean)
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Hi - Can anyone recommend a good gear oil for the transmission on an 87 Monidal. 3.2 L? I hear that Red line is good. Or should I stick with Mobil? Any thoughts? BTW - Thanks Herbert and Michael. It was a dirty Throttle Body. Just sprayed it out with some Carb cleaner and it works just fine now. Owe you a beer. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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WELL I HEARD THE NOISE? LOOKS LIKE IT IS TIME TO INSTALL A NEW WATER PUMP. I HAVE BEEN CHECKING PRICES OUCH. ITS JUST A WATER PUMP! ANY BODY HAVE A GOOD SUPPLIER OF AFFORDABLE WATER PUMPS MINE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE MADE OF GOLD. JUST WORK AND NOT MAKE NOISE. THANKS HEATH | ||
| Peter Karvelas (Peterza)
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I was wondering as to wether anyone has done a modification on the front and rear calipers on a Mondial t, from the standard set up to Brembo? Any advise will be welcome | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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TOOK THE MONDIAL OUT FOR A SPIN WEDNESDAY 300 MILES ROUND TRIP TO MACON GA. TO HOT TO PUT THE TOP DOWN. BUT WHAT A GREAT DRIVE. FERRARI'S ARE A REAL LOT OF FUN!!! AND BEST OF ALL NO TICKETS! | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Charles, You can get your own from NORWOOD Ferrari in Dallas. The kit was about $20,000 installed, back then, so with inflation,,,,,, !!! $$$$ !!?. The engine was dyno'ed at 350 HP in Dallas ( also back in 1995 when the conversion was done.) So, I figure I'm maybe pushing out 300 here in Denver. ( We have 20% less air here, but the Turbo will effectively correct about 80% of this loss because the compressor spins faster in the thinner atmosphere.) Heath, The car is a very late model QV, 1995! I think it was stuck together with all of the left over QV parts and some new 328 parts. But, I didn't get the curved instrument pod or the 16" wheels.(darn it.) HELP, So lets say I purchase a set of front rims from a 91 Testa (16" dia 34.2mm offset) and have the rear boss of the wheel machined to 55mm offset. Is the boss tall enough inside these wheels to allow 3/4" of machining with out dangerously effecting their overall strength? Will I need a shorter set of lugs for these " New Improved" wheels. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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YO BOY'S SENT AN eMAIL TO VELOCE101 ON EBAY WHO HAS OFFERED TR SPARK PLUG WIRES FOR $149.00. I ASKED HIM (HIS NAME IS CHRISIAN) IF HE HAD IGNITION CABLES FOR A MONDIAL. HIS REPLY WAS ( YES ) CAVIS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT PRICE $149.50 PLUS $20.00 SHIPPING. THAT IS $100.00 LESS THAN THE BEST PRICE I HAVE FOUND IN THIS COUNTRY. BEST REGARDS, HEATH | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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ED - I want one, I want one. What HP does your engine put out? | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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EDWARD WHAT YEAR IS YOUR MONDIAL. I NOTICED SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOSES AND CONTAINERS THAT ARE'T ON MY 84 THAT I DON'T THINK ARE PART OF YOUR TURBO CONVERSON? | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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For Charles and interested others, I was able to put a digital photo of my Engine Bay with NORWOOD Turbo in my profile. I believe, for all interested, you just have to click on my above name. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
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www.italiancarparts.com has good reprints. | ||
| David Harris (Dakharris)
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Krister: Watch Ebay. They are on there all the time. | ||
| Krister Ripstrand (Krister)
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Any suggestions on where to get hold of a complete workshop manual for my Mondial t -92? Both USA and European possibilities are interresting. Thanks /Krister | ||
| etang (Etang)
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Does anyone know where I can get a wiring diagram for a 1982 Mondial 8 (Euro)? Thanks. etang | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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somewhere else on this board someone mentioned that... http://www.avontires.com makes a 390 TRX tire I know nothing more about them but it's an alternative to coker. -Ben | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Edward -- the offset for TR front 8"J x 16" wheels is only +34.2 mm, so unfortunately, I don't think they'll be a good option for you. PS I believe the "J" specification is related to the tire/wheel bead design -- not the offset. | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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WHEELS for Mondials. HELP; My rear TRX's are wearing out. COKER wants $ 250.00 ea. (ouch) I know the offset for the TRX 390's is 55mm Question," Will the front rims from a 1990 Testarossa fit on the rear of my Mondial?" ( They are 16" with "J" offset.) P.S. Thanks Charles, for the Congrats. P.S.(2) Heath, I have no wireing diagrams for my 85 Cab. Thus, if you want to install a fuse block in your engine bay like me, mayby NORWOOD can help. Sorry | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Ed - thanks... and congratulations on your new found posting talents! Your contributions have greatly helped me... and I'm sure lots of others too. Regards... Charles | ||
| Edward Salla (350hpmondial)
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Charles, in response to your previous question,,,,, Note that I finally have posting ability.. I will try to put pix in the showroom. FRONT Distributor Work; 1) Remove the plastic antifreeze catch tank. 2) Punch a hole in your oil filter, let drain, stuff rags under the filter, remove filter. Cover the open oil system with a clean rag so you don't drop anything into it! 3) Remove distributor cap rubber boot, grab with whole hand and message, twist and pull. Scrunch it down on the wires & out of the way, but not too far, it will be in the way slightly. Use a nut driver to remove the three screws that hold the cap on, the screws will , are supposed to, stay in the cap. To get to one of the screws you will have to insert the nut driver through the bunching of 5 ignition wires, try a few different insertions. You will feel it when the driver mates with the screw. ( Not sure if they are 8mm or 10mm, look at the rear cap to see.) 4) Remove cap and pull off rotor. Careful with the rotor. ( I found out it is easier to get a new cap then a rotor.) If it is stubborn and won't pop loose of the shaft, the shaft might be slightly rusted. (This is normal for the atmosphere inside the cap of a running car will contain a high concentration of the highly corrosive gas Ozone.) Spray with penetrating oil and let sit. try to pry off with an open end wrench, maybe 14mm, or a screw driver.) If it is really stuck, break it off and buy a new one. 5) Clean cap with soapy dish water, blow out with coppressed air, let dry in the sun. (Their phenolic construction does not like any of the strong degreasing agents available today. i.e. no Breaklean!) 6) Polish cap electrodes with a small piece of emery cloth wrapped around the tip of a standard blade screwdriver. 7) Knock off any corrosion on the rotor with a flat file. Do not take off too much material or you will be hunting for a new rotor. 8) With an inspection mirror and a flashlight, check to see if any oil is leaking through the seal. Replace if needed. ( This is another lengthy procedure, but in my case, well worth it.) 9) Replace little carbon brush in cap with new one. ( Cheep parts from the dealer, I think I paid $8.00 ea.) 10) Replace rotor and cap. I have found the gasket between the cap and the distributor base to be optional. 11) Torque cap screws? Their is a torque spec. ( see 308QV & 328 shop manual) If you don't have a 1/4" drive torque wrench, I would practice on the rear cap screws and just remember how tight they feel, then transfer the same "feeling" to the front cap screws.) 12) Rub a little silicone lube, WD-40 or I prefer plumbers grease, on the cap to make sliding the rubber boot on easier. If you only put the grease on the cap, and clean your hand ( so you get a good grip) you should be able to " rub" and " message" the boot back on. Note that old boots are easier to replace then new ones. Don't tear it! 13) Replace Oil Filter add oil. Test drive. | ||
| David Harris (Dakharris)
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Thanks Sam. I think I'll put this shamta on my coffee table. I'll get the same coversations and it will be easier to attach. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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OK, I have this "shamta" ( and that is rag in NYC Italian) this item is a weird as every other thing on the mondial cab.... who ever designed the hood and the boot cover also designed this item and was conssitant...what was he smokin' the first thing you do is raise the windows. then you drape teh thing over the windshield and put the loops over the sideview mirrors ( yes ferrari actually thoguht of them as tonneau attachment points -- go figure but it gets worse) then as you go back, there are straps on each side that end in J hooks, these attach to the bottom lip of the doors (getting creative here huh--getting the feeling this rag was an expensive afterthought on this convertible) then at the rear, there are also straps with J hooks these hook to the louvers on top of the engine bay cover. and oh yes near the back windows there is some snaps as well. I actually use this thing alot since the top is a big pain to put up and down ( hey my ferrari dealer charges less for a major service on the mondial than he does to rais e or lower the top.) good luck it should take you about 45 minutes to put it on and off -- 5 mins to attach and 40 minutes for you to stop laughing. Oh yeah and about a hour to explain to all those that gathered that this really is an expensive factory option and that your mother did not sew it herself for you as a car present. | ||
| David Harris (Dakharris)
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Does anyone know how a tonneau cover attaches to a Mondial? I don't have a parts manual and my owner's manual doesn't address it. It has straps similar to a bra, but I can't figure out where they attach. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
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I just got an 84 308 QV. I love the car like you would not believe. Hey Mark, think about this for a second. For what I paid for my 308, I could have gone and purchased a loaded Honda Accord and fall into the "Me too!" crowd. I promised myself I would never drive something that I see on every street corner. I'm 29 years old. I made a pact with myself 15 years ago to own a Ferrari before I was 30 years old. Go for it man! I have been a Ferrari owner for 3 weeks now, and I LOVE IT! I love opening my garage after work and seeing my gorgeous metallic black 308 sitting there, teasing me to drive it right then! I'm so happy now that I have my dream car. My next dream is to have 2 Ferraris.....and I plan on getting a Testarossa or a 512 Boxer in 3 years! Please keep us posted. | ||
| Dean Ramsay (Dean)
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Thanks guys. I'll take a look. Any thoughts on why it won't die while the car is moving? It seems to do it only when stopped or close to stopping. BTW- Recommend a good cleaner or cleanser to use? | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Herbert may be right on the money. I just had this problem with my 88' Saab 900s ( in fact I just drove it home from the service shop a few minutes ago) and all they did was clean the throttle body at it was gone. They also added a fuel system cleaner just to clean out the system. | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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In most cases a dirty throttle body is the problem. | ||
| Dean Ramsay (Dean)
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Hi. I own an '87 3.2 Mondial. Every once in a while, from 2nd gear to neutral, as I slow down at a stop light, my engine dies. (Not always, seems to be more frequent on hot days.) It only happens when the car is stopped or rolling to a stop. I cannot duplicate this at higher speeds by dropping into neutral, say from 3rd gear or higher. After it quits, it starts back up just fine. Anyone have any suggestions or ideas? Electrical? Fuel? Thanks... | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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CHRLES WAS IT YOU WHO REDYED YOUR TOP. IF SO HOW IS IT HOLDING UP. JUST WANT TO CHECK BEFORE I REDO MINE. HEATH | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Hi guys... Just installed NKG bpr6evxs in my mondial. I could not believe the difference. Got them from Clubplug of $5 each (Frank V at Clubolug was very responsive). | ||
| Krister Ripstrand (Krister)
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Sam, I have pictures on all of the other installations I've done but not this one. And no digital camera so it will have to wait a little. The speakers are SONY XS-F1020 10 cm coaxial speaker(s), woffer (~4 in) and tweeter 2.5 cm (~1 in). The mounting depth is 44 mm (1.73 in) and the mounting is done in the lower part of the front seat back covers. The cover is very easy to remove. It was really the small impact on the car that drove this mounting place and I really get some bass feeling in the "lower parts of my body". | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Hi, How did you install speakers in the seats? my seats fold down, they must be pretty slim speakers, any pics or descriptions? I installed tweeters in teh "buckets" that enclose the top folding mechanism with fairly good result. | ||
| Krister Ripstrand (Krister)
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Hi all, first posting here, and Sweden calling. I just signed in after finally finding what I was looking for. Somewhere, talks about Mondials. I am a member of the F World Club also, but not to much about Mondials there. I just want to comment on the roominess backseat, for children anyhow. Actually it was the combination of a true sportscar in combination with the backseat for my two boys, 7 and 9 years of age, that made me take a -92 t Coupé into serious consideration. The only midengined 4 seater, that I know of anyhow? I had a Lotus Europa before but I couldn't see me driving one of the kids around the block at a time and then the other, not to mention the wife. No the whole idea is to have the whole family participating. The more chance there is to go for a ride, even vacation. The 9 year old is 145 cm (57 in), no problem. I have even made special raised seating for them, to give them a clear view of the landscape we pass. The problem? though is that the great sound of the V8 makes them instantly to fall asleep. This is one of the reasons for me going for the coupé instead of the cab, only the sound of the engine is present. I most humbly admit though, that the cab is really a delightful sight. For those considering the Mondial I can recommend the two books "Original FERRARI V8" by Keith Blumel and "Ferrari 328/348/Mondial 1986-1994 Ultimate Portfolio" (Not to good b/w photos but good articles). By the way, I put two extra speakers, with good result, in the back coverings of the front seats. Not to hard to restore to original either. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Help - anyone have experience removing the distributor cap on the front bank (by rear seat) on an 84' Mondial QV? Any tips? I just want to check the condition of the rotors (replaced 2 years are (1K miles ago). | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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All: Check out ebay - someone is selling Mondial parts (bumpers, springs, headlight motors) at great prices. Search "Ferrari Mondial" | ||
| John Roberts (Bigbaddad)
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With the Mondial T, Ferrari went with the cables vs the rods in the gearshift. Do the earlier Mondials, the 3.2 specifically, have a decent shift action? Thanks again - John | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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THanks for the top up/down tips and the "reassurance" that your top leaks too (misery loves company) Girls just love it (not!) when it starts to rain and they dripping starts and they become a contestant in a wet T-shirt contest (hey, maybe enzo designed the leaks-in that way 'cause that is exactly where they drip bullseye!) As for the potential buyer---I am crazy for my Mondial T-Cab. I love convertables and the power and sound of the 348 but not a fan of the 348 styling..girls love the mondial- esp withthe top down,reminds them of the riviera and it is not so brutal looking as the other 2-seat designs. 1) buy a T you will love the engine power, power steering other refinements 2) you will hate the shifting...Ferrari used cables to shift these cars probably designed by teh same guy who designed the 308 window lifts --worse shiftign car I have ever driven (love the car thought) 3)Tops leak -- we learn to live with it ( I carry a plastic bag that I put over my lap in the rain to stay drive, you may or may not want to give one to a attractive passanger (see above) 4)kids love the back seat very roomy 5)be sure and put the top up/down before you buy and see if you still want it 6) MUST be sure that the car had the major service done - engine out for those belts 7) be sure the fuel lines have been updated (this is a recall item --car will catch on fire otherwise --engine out for this too 8) Love this car for it daily usage, top down, power comfort etc. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Buying anything else would be a step backwards is exactly what my wife says and she is right. I could get something newer, faster and more reliable but I would still feel like I was taking a step or two back. Unless of course I got another Ferrari! | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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John: I bought my '84 Mondial (mon-dee-al) cab. 3 years ago from a private and failed to get it inspected by a mechanic (I saw it and it was love at first sight!). Bad move, there were a bunch of minor things I needed to get fixed, but the hard part was spending $2,000 in the first month of ownership! Get it inspected, its worth the $300 most mechanics charge (remember, a broken latch for the convertible can cost you $200!). Personally, I think the Mondial Cab. is one of the most beautiful cars produced. As Fred said, I'll take my 17 year old Ferrari over any new car (expect for maybe a 360 cab.!). And when I think about selling it, my wife says "what are you going to trade up to? A Honda? Porsche? Corvette? They all seem like a step backwards." and she's right. Good luck, let us know what you find. P.S. this is a great board - everyone is very helpful. | ||
| John Roberts (Bigbaddad)
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I've got to say, you guys have been extremely helpful, thank you. I am ordering a back issue of the FORZA magazine with the modial buyer's guide to help with our search. How did most of you buy your first Ferrari? Did you go to an authorized dealer or an individual? Are the cars at the dealer typically in better all around condition, or just overpriced? I can't wait to join the club! Thanks again - John | ||
| Lee Filbert (Lfilbert)
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John, I confirm Kurt's pronunciation. As for the t vs. 3.2 here are my thoughts. The one thing that kills me in my 3.2 are the uncomfortable seats. The t corrected this. The t has power assisted steering, ABS, adjustable suspension, more hp (see the early 348 discussion elsewhere on this board), lower center of gravity and some detuned styling. I'm pretty sure the engine has to be pulled on the t to change the cam belts = $$. The 3.2 can be done in car = $. I like my 3.2 and have been very satisfied with it, but will some day trade up to a later t or 348 cab. I think it has been said several times on this chat...buy the latest model you can afford. Just remember it will cost you a kilobuck a year on average to maintain, if not more. | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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Hey John, PRONOUNCIATION - I pronounce it Mon-deeal, and I'm Mexican, which is pretty close to Italian, as far as Latin linguistics are concerned. I think it's really how the makers meant it to be pronounced, but you'll find that once you own your own Mon-dial or Mon-deeal, it will impose it's own personality on you, and you will call it accordingly . SEATING - Back in my single days, I could fit myseld anf a guy in the back and three girls in the back, which means that kids will be a breeze. It's amazing how much attention this fully loaded convertible attracts. Feel confident that you and all of your passengers will have a great time. SHIFTING - I am not mechanically inclined, so when I first discovered that shifting the Mon-deeal into 2nd was clunky, I was alarmed. I spoke with the dealer at length about this, had them test drive it and was well assured that all Ferrari's with this drivetrain had this condition and that it was fine. The explantion is that when going into second gear, the linkage has to mate a male end into a very tight female end, and that the particular lubricant for this drivetrain is very thin and inefficient when it is cold, and that as the car warms up, it becomes thicker and more effective (this is opposite to the principle of most lubricants which are thicker when cold, and thinner when warm). Accordingly, the shifting of the car, (and of all 328's/348's with the same linkage) becomes smoother as the car warms up. Out of precaution and comfort, I shift from 1st to 3rd until the car warms up, and it all works out just fine. This has been recommended to me. Addmitedly, the Mon-deeal is not the sexiest of all Ferraris, but you will definitely fall in love with your Carbriolet when you get it. It has all of the SOUND, torque, spirit, FEEL and looks of the finest of the Italian marque and is very livable for people that want to share the fun. I look at mine when I am going to work, and almost feel jealous for those that have more time to drive theirs. The "Diesel" as my wife calls it is as passionate an inatimate object as you will ever own. Best of luck with yours. (Feel free to contact me if you get cold feet) | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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I say Mon-dee-ahl which is the only way I ever heard it. The T car has the 3.4L 348 engine and all the electronics and higher HP. The 3.2L car is certainly less expensive. The 2nd gear cold shift problem is not common to every car but is frequent(someone posted a fix here recently I'd like to try!). Shifting from 1st to 3rd when it's cold is not a problem since the available torque makes up for the skipped gear. Good luck with your search and keep reading here for more information.... | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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Hello John, I don't own a Mondial, I have an 83 308 qv but I can take a stab at a few of your questions. I pronounce it Mon-dial and thats how I have always heard it pronounced. I am not saying its right its just how I have always heard it. I think if you are going to put two people in those small back seats two kids around 5 is the way to go. Just remember they grow up fast. As far as shifting goes Ferraris' are known to be hard to shift when they are cold. My car is very hard to get into second when cold. I skip second and go right to third untill it is warmed up which is common practice. Once warmed up though the car shifts great and they all should if everything is working right. If once warmed it won't go in to second very well then it should raise a red flag. As far as the difference between the 3.2 and the T, I will have to leave that to someone else. Goodluck, do your homework and buy a good car and you won't regret it. Fred | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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Sorry Mike, I'm definitely one of the guilty parties on the 'personality' driven strings... | ||
| Michael A. Niles (Man90tr)
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Welcome John, Your question is welcomed as it is the kind of question that we should be dealing with on this site. If you read some of the other threads, the site for the last two days got off into some "personality" driven comments and it is time to return to talking about cars. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the Mondial but from the responses from your questions I am sure I will learn a lot. Again, welcome and good luck on your search for your Ferrari. | ||
| John Roberts (Bigbaddad)
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This is my first post here, so be gentle with me. My wife & I are in the early stages of buying our fist Ferrari. We are leaning towards a Mondial cabriolet. We do have a few questions we hope someone here could answer for us. I'll start with an easy one, how do you pronounce 'Mondial'? Is it mon-dial or mon-dee-al? How is the rear seat room? We have two kids under 5, would they fit? The rear seat is the main reason we are leaning towards the mondial. This would be a spare car, and not driven daily, but we also don't want to just look at it. And finally, how smooth is the gear shift on these? I drove a '94 348 spyder that was very rough, from 1st to 2nd was sometimes impossible. There is a tranny change from the 3.2 mondial to the mondial T, was it for better or worse? Ok, one more question. Which is 'better', the 3.2 or T? It seems you don't give up much by going with the 3.2, and they are a lot less money. Sorry to hit you all with so many questions, we'd appreciate any input you have for us. Thanks - John | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
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I dought a 2001 Ferrari would leak either. But I'll bet a 1984 or 85 chrysler convertible would. If I want a perfect car I'll get an S2000. I'll will take my 308 and it's little quirks everyday of the week and twice on sunday. 17 years old and still an awsome car! I am hard pressed to find something on the road that looks better. | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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My wise friend ( BretM ) once said " You buy the engine and the rest of the car is free ".... | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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No comment, right Sam? | ||
| Herbert E. Gault (Irfgt)
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My $25,000 2001 Chrysler Sebring Convertible does not leak a drop and two latches and one switch and it's blue skies. I guess it blows the theory that you get what you pay for. | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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Well, you're commentary just saved me lots of fist-a-cuffs with my wife. She thought I was the only goof whose Ferrari leaks at the pilars. I have looked into this at length, and the dealership people and custom top people have told me to just live with the leaking. My rubber gasket could be changed, but there is just no guarantee that it will stop leaking. It's a common problem. I still cant help myself and will drive in the rain and get yelled at by my wife. Anyway, yes, I do put the fabric in between the bows, and pay special attention to the how the sides of the top fold (I ripped the side one time by not taking my time). As to the snaps, I put the ones inside the door first, then work my way back along the sides, and then stretch the rear one (good work out). I snap down the boot on one entire side of the car at a time, there's no need to look foolish going back and forth going from left to right. Again, make sure the rear snaps are always in (check them when you stop for gas). One let loose as I was driving and scratched a part of the car as it flapped with the wind. I had to have it repainted. Seriously, practice often, the more you put the top up and down, the more pliable it is, and the less strain on the joints and on the latches (I had to replace those too, from moving too quickly, I snapped them $200 ea.). Oh yes, by the way, when you are putting the top up, once its aligned, but before latching it on to the front pilar, give a pull forward to the C pilar (you know the one that lies down when you put the top down) this will bring the latches as close to the front pilar as possible and will remove strain when you go to latch the top. Also, make sure ALL windows are down when you are before operating the top, either putting it up or down. By the way, the instruction manual has surprisingly good detail as to how to operate the top. Just dont pay attention to the part of the snaps on the engine bay. If you dont have it, I'd be happy to scan and place my pages on the top on this chat for you. Good luck. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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WoW mighty-one...lookin good. I thought I was the only one that used his T-Cab as a SUV, truck, pick-up etc...ahhh the benefits of a open top. THanks for the pics and the write up. Here is my specific Q': do you "pull" the fabric away from ttop bows and then fold it over the bows before putting on the boot or do you just let it all accordian in with the bows. You answer about the snaps over the engine bay answers a lot of q's for me 'cause I could never get these snapped and thoguth I was doing it wrong. Someone told me that you do the inside straps then you do the engine bay snaps next and then the back trailing edge snaps last. I own a few british roadsters so I have experience with crazy (read truly crappy) rag tops but this mondial top is shameful for this caliber car, I have a leak, drip/drip near the a pillers, does a new winshield header rubber stip solve this? or am I really driving a 1970's british leyland vehicle? P.S. my steering can get a litle light at speed, do you have any expereince with your car | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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Here ya go Sam:  1. Release latches on the inside top of the roof. 2. Lower rear windows and front windows (or open front doors. 3. Unhook latches, and make sure top (guidance bar) goes back before the rest of the top goes back. 4. Pay special attention to the "rear quarter panel" sections of your top to make sure they do not wrinkle and continue folding the top down. 5. Secure top cover over the top (forget about the latches directly over the engine, they just don't match up). 6. Snap all snaps and clips, make sure they are ALL secure (except for those direcly over the engine) or you can damage your paint from flapping top while you drive.  7. Throw your chick in the car along with your groceries and crank Chuck Magione's "Feel So Good". 8. Know you are the only onein the square mile having this much fun! Do this often. Practice makes perfect. | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Ok, once and for all, does anyone have the best method for a) folding down the soft top on the Mondial T and b) attaching the boot doing both with minor bloodshed and w/o inventing new cursewords (many in made-up italian)! Please give step/step or order of the snaps. I am convinced the reason Enzo made the mondial a 4-seater is because it takes 4-guys to pur the top up and down. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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Eric... For cars, watch excite.com, E-Bay motors & Hemmings.com. You should also subscribe to the ferrari market letter for cars and reference prices. You can also check "solds" on E-Bay for some ideas but there aren't many that actually get sold there -- just good advertising. Very few 246s for 50K.... you'll have to spend more than that. Happy hunting | ||
| Eric R. Schneider (Ericthered)
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After reading this page from bottom to top I am impressed by the information flow. I recently sold my E-Type and an AH 100m and am finally ready to step up to my dream car. I would really like to get a Dino 246gt but I don't know how much I should expect to spend on one. So I went to E-Bay to look but there weren't any there. There were however several of these Mondial Cabs which look to be a great example of a Ferrari sports car that is reasonably priced. The tech Q and A's that I have read don't seem to be too difficult and everyone seems to hold this model in high esteem. So what is a fair price to pay for a Mondial and can it be maintained for say, 50 cents a mile? Also, the last Dino I saw for sale was several years ago and if I am not mistaken they wanted 86500 for it. Is that still the going rate or can a guy pick one up for about 50k. If not, can a person pick one up that would be a good restoration project? (keep in mind I have more time and enthusiasm then money) Thanks in advance for any advice. Eric | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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As a buyer/owner/driver/collector, I wouldn't mind seeing the 355 price tank. I think it is a positive. In the 80's when the prices were speculative, you NEVER saw a Ferrari on the road, they were all just trucked from one Rick Cole auction to the next. Now you actually see a Dino 246GT on the road and the car looks like it is driven and not a museaum piece. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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I watch E-Bay all the time. Someone is posting a lot of fake ads for cars. At one time there were over 60 cars for sale -- normally there is 25 to 35. Sometimes it's hard to tell the real from the fake. Usually the fake ones are from someone selling with zero E-Bay history and they disappear in a few days. It always seems the real ones don't get bid very high -- lots of dreamers who think they can get it for virtually nothing. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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HAS ANYONE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON EBAY LOOKS TO ME LIKE FERRARI PRICES ARE TANKING. WONDER WHY? HEATH | ||
| Sam NYCFERRARIS (Sam)
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Anyone know hte size of the speakers in the doors of the Mondial T (how about the mounting depth?) curious about custom sound installs and theft alarm intalls for the mondial t. thanks. | ||
| Bruno Barbieri (Bruno)
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Thanks Kurt BR BB | ||
| Mike Tarrant (Mike)
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17 in Wheels. I'm thinking of replacing the stock wheels on my 83 Mondial QV (390 TRX) with 17in. Has anyone done this and what size tires did you use? What was the effect on handling? Finally what wheels did you use. | ||
| Kurt Kjelgaard (Kurtk328)
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Bruno About the by pass screw on your K-Jetronic: On a K-Jetronic engine, idle speed adjustment is not done with a throttle stop screw, but with this bypass screw you are mentioning. If you are sure that the throttle stop is undisturbed you adjust the idle speed with the air bypass screw. Set the speed to 1000-1100 RPM with a warm engine. If the throttle stop screw has been touched, you need to reset that as follows: Warm up the engine thoroughly, keep the engine running and close the air bypass screw. Adjust the throttle stop screw to give an idle speed of 450 RPM (use tachometer), then set the air bypass to give the desired idle RPM. This procedure can also be used on 4 and 6 cylinder cars with K-Jetronic. The throttle stop screw should then be set to give 650 (4-cyl.)respective 550 RPM (6-cyl.). brgds Kurt | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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Well, I paid very reputable upholsery shop an additional $700 to install it and they said the installation was very difficult even for them. I dont suggest trying it yourself. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Kurt: I've seen that the top are pretty reasonable. But, was it difficult to do it yourself. Any tips? | ||
| Bruno Barbieri (Bruno)
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Hello I have a question about the so called "by pass" adjustable scerw on the K-jetronic in my Mondial -81. What is its correct possition? What is the function? Thanks for any help. Bruno | ||
| Kurt (Mightyone)
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Hey Charles, to answer your original question about replacing the covertible top, I have done it. It was surprisingly affordable. I paid $1,000 and received the "best in the market" which, acording to the shop I went to, was German. I have also broken 2 latches on my Mondial Cabriolet and was surprised to see how much they charged me. I dont quite understand your description or picture of the fix, but the next time one breaks I will be sure to look on your special message string for tips! | ||
| Erik Jonsson (Gamester)
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Anyone for good stereo equipment? Go to ejentertainment site and follow the links to other items available for sale. I have the new leftovers from a now defunct hi end audio shop. Make offers! Erik Mondial should take a 5.25" lo profile speaker in the doors. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Thanks Steve on the sparkplug info. Has anyone replaced the stock speakers on an '84 Mondial Cab.? Do you know the size or can you recommend a good replacement speaker? Thanks... | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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I swear by the NGK VXs. If you only do a lot of short trips w/ stop & go you might consider going up one heat range to D7EVX, but I think the D8EVX will work well too (do a Keyword Search on "NGK" for previous messages). Let me know if you can beat this price: http://www.clubplug.net/retail_vx_ngk.html | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Does any know the best sparkplug to use on an '84 Mondial Cab QV 308? The NGK website recommneds: NGK-D8EVX. | ||
| Bruno Barbieri (Bruno)
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Reset of gearbox oil- and service-indicator. Hello Anybody that knows about how to do this in a mondial of 1981. It is rather annoying with this LED:s tlinking between the front chairs eventhough the change/service is performed. BR Bruno | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Sorry Charles, I'm not familiar with the Mondials. If it has the double-row ball bearing configuration, I'd at least get a copy of the relevant SPC before attempting the project (but the "best" cross-section drawings will be in the WSM). You could probably "wing-it" if it's the conventional tapered cylindrical bearing design, but if you're tackling this level of project, I think the $100~$150 for an SPC would be a sensible long-term investment. Good luck with the work. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Steve - I have an '84 Mondial Cab. - Any advise would be appreciated. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Charles T, Which year/model are you interested in? I repacked (which would be the same procedure as replacing) the front wheel bearings and replaced the corresponding lip/dust seals twice on my ex-308GTS. Nothing "special" required (how rare!) -- very similar to the "typical American" (non-drive) front spindle design using two opposed tapered cylindrical roller bearings. However, the TR has a single double-row ball-bearing front spindle arrangement -- not too difficult (judging by the WSM) but different from "older/normal". | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Has anyone replaced the from wheel bearings? Is it a DYI job? Any helpful hints? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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There should be no difference. Find the part # in a 308QV parts catalogue (maybe someone here with one can provide) and compare it to the one in your parts catalogue. Most likely it will be the same. If it is, then yes, that after-market compressor should fit in your Mondial. Good luck! | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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YO BOYS TODAY IT GOT HOT IN GEORGIA. AFTER LOCATING A GROUND WIRE THAT WAS THAT WAS HANGING AROUND BY IT'S SELF MY AC BLEW COLD "BUT" I HEARD A DEEP GRAVELY RATTLE IN MY COMPRESSOR. LIFE EXPERIENCE HAS TAUGHT ME TO GET READY FOR A NEW COMPRESSOR. I FOUND AN ATRICLE IN FERRARI ARCHIVES ON A 1978 308 THAT DISCSSED A NAPA ( YORK ) COMPRESSOR AS THE INERCHANGE FOR FERRARI DO ANY OF YOU KNOW IF THE NAPA COMPRESSOR PART NUMBER 258018 IS STILL THE CORRECT UNIT FOR A MONDIAL 1984 CAB.QV ANY INPUT WOULD BE OF GREAT HELP. THANKS, HEATH | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Comment to Rob: No, actually I do agree that the latter FI cars are more reliable, but I like the tinkering aspect of my GT4 (I understand these simpler systems than the electronics of the FI systems. When Steve M. describes procedures to fix the Bosch Jetronic systems...he loses me).But when done right, they too are reliable. Its usually you have to do that right away, than a FI car you can drive away the moment you get one. I expect great service from my car once its back on the road, everything will be done and fresh. You will never regret buying a Ferrari. Its one of those things that you just have to do if you have the means. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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I just need confirmation - I will buy one no matter what! I did a complete ground up restore on my 911, have many $$$ of snap-on tools, also all the special Weber tools and gauges, etc. Thanks for the input! Once I close on the house it will be a done deal!! | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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What Steve said.... "First, I�d say to NEVER own a Ferrari (when you can) is definitely NOT a �right decision� -- life is too short not to have the pleasure even if there is some pain IMHO. " is very true. For years, I've owned Porsche, Lotus, Alfa, etc... but never had as much satisfaction since I've owned my Ferrari. It's great to get the looks when I'm out, but the best feeling comes from within when I'm behind the wheel driving that fine machine -- It feels like no other car. I'm only sorry I waited until I was 50 to buy one when I could have owned one years ago. Don't make the same mistake. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Mark: I think about selling my Mondial Cab. sometimes to get something "newer", but my snaps me back to reality by saying "what are you going to buy, a Miata, s2000, Corvette or 911 - they will never compare to your Ferrari!" and she's right. Go for the Ferrari - you may regret it once in a while when you get a $3,000 bill, but the pleasure you get will far out weigh the pain. Any you never know, that 84' Mondial Cab that I own might go up in value! How many Porsches to that? Good luck... | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Hi Mark, First, I�d say to NEVER own a Ferrari (when you can) is definitely NOT a �right decision� -- life is too short not to have the pleasure even if there is some pain IMHO. 1. What�s your �emission� situation? If you�re in a super-strict area, I�d say newer is better (i.e., something injected that didn�t come with a belt-driven air pump which I think would limit you to an �84 or �85 and up Mondial QV or t). Here in Colorado I never had much trouble getting my carbed ex-�78 308GTS to pass, but the limits are easy (600 ppm HC and 3% CO at idle with no �at load� test if I recall correctly), and I put ~$3K, in 1989 dollars, into restoring and maintaining the belt-driven pump-based air injection system, the catalytic converters, and the gas vapor control system. When I was in CA (~1% CO?), I had to find �creative� ways to get by (even with all the emission stuff intact and working). If you�re somewhere with no inspections (either annual or on an ownership change) and/or 25 yr exemptions then this is less of a problem (but I�d discount any car severely, like $5K, if it is not absolutely complete in the emissions department). 2. What�s your DIY level? If you pay others for fluids work or to change spark plugs then I�d cross GT4s (and maybe 2-valve Mondials) off the list -- the newest GT4 is now 22 years old so unless by some miracle you find a freshly restored example some amount of fettling is going to be inevitable (regardless of how �perfect� the seller says the car is). JMHO | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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Mark Porsche = vw A Ferrarri has no Equal! All you have to do is drive one and you will know which way to go. as for all the tech chat. I personally think most Ferrari guys are a bit like me "anal retentative" many of the tech problems would be over looked on any other car but on my Ferrari I want every thing perfect! It is alright to love your Ferrari my girl friend even understands. GO DRIVE ONE!!! HEATH | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Peter will disagree, but I think the 80's 8 cylinder fuel injected cars have a reputation as the most reliable. I would still rather have a carburated one for the sound and power. If you are really worried about reliability. Any of the 308/328/Mondial cars would be a great choice. The key is taking care of them and standard maint is still expensive. I spent $2,800 on the 45k service with belts and I just spent $1,000 for various things including a water pump rebuild. That's expensive, but the belts and pump should last many years. Hopefully now it's just minor things and oil changes. I could drive my car to work every single day if I wanted. I've never had it break down or cause any driving problems on the road. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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Mark... Don't let all the service information here get you worried. This is the group of Ferrari owners that enjoy (and know how to) work on their cars. We like to make our cars "perfect". I think if you do get one, you can spend as much time as you want with the car for enjoyment. Of course, there always are a certain amount of problems associated with lightly driven classic cars..... but, there's nothing like the feel of driving a Ferrari. | ||
| Mark C. Gordon (Markg)
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My house goes on market Friday, should sell within a few days - mucho profit...some of which I plan to use to buy a Ferrari, leaning towards GT4 or Mondial - but after reading some of these posts, I wonder if I am making the right decision! My 911 Porsche was the most trouble free car I ever owned - but I do really want a Ferrari! Is it worth it! Also try Aeroquip or Earl's for hose and fittings, they are who we did business with when I worked at FAR Performance years ago.... | ||
| ANGELO ALBANESE (Lbanez)
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Hi Heath, take out the relays, but leave the fuse holders .....keep in touch,,,......Ang | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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From Ed... Charles, Thank you for your posting skills. I'm a mechanical engineer and I love to work on my Cab. When I get home, I can be found in my garage, just push my dinner under the car. When I lift my car I use; Small floor jack, four regular bricks and two jack stands. 0) Disconnect battery. You can't open the front bonnet with any torque on the frame. Shut Bonnet. 1) Place the bricks forward and aft of the front tires. (chocks) 2) set parking break & loosen wheel nuts if you will be removing these 3) jack only on the steel engine/transmission cage/frame. Be sure that your jack head does not slip off of this or you will bend or break something. ( don't jack on the sway bar or the A-arms!) 4) I like to jack in the middle of the lower rear engine/trans frame ( there even seems to be an additional steel cap welded on this frame for (maybe) this exact purpose. I think Ferrari was really thinking when they did this. 5) Raise the car up to your desired height ( I go up as high as the jack will go.) 6) Place the jack stands under this frame on both sides as far out as they will go. ( don't place under any sway bar devices, but I have found that the frame is accessible just in front of the rear/bottom A-arm mounts) I have been able to get the rear tires off of the pavement about 6". This height allows me to remove the rear underpan and squeeze under to view any item from amidships back. 7) Lower jack slowly and put all of the weight on the stands. 8) Check the position of your brick wheel chocks., and be sure STANDS ARE VERTICAL WITH ALL FEET ON THE GROUND. 9) climb under with a flashlight. 10) enjoy the view, mondials are flat underneath for aerodynamics. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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Yes Charles, that curved fitting was weeping on my hose too. I'm replacing it before it gets worse. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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ANGELO I WILL TRY TO SHIP UP MY OLD FUSE BOX THIS WEEK I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND WILL SEND YOU THE TRACKING NUMBER. SHOULD I LEAVE ON THE RELAYS OR REMOVE THE EXTRA WEIGHT? THE NEW (USED) BOX I RECIVED FROM MARANELLO AUTO PARTS IS THE NEWER TYPE WITH THE CLIP IN FUSES. DOES THIS TYPE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS THE OLDER BOXES WITH BULLET FUSES? I LIKE THE IDEA OF REMOVING ALL POTENCIAL HEAT PROBLEMS BUT WOULD NEED A DETAILED DIGRAM AND PROBABLY A SOURCE FOR THE PARTS. BE TALKING AT YOU SOON. BEST REGARDS, HEATH | ||
| ANGELO ALBANESE (Lbanez)
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I just picked up 2 spare distributers from Peter Sweeny at Forza in CT, he may have more, I know they are pricey, but I like to keep a few spare parts around, as for the fuse box problems on these Mondials(I own an 82 2 valve) I had my share of problems, I found an easy fix for them without haveing to put a grease fitting on your wallet, during the fix, I also took some of the load out of the fuse box and ran a new power source for the fuel pump, A/C, coolant fan , and the signal lights, I used 2 new relays,mounted on a new board,next to the main fuse box, the existing fuses for the fuel pump,etc. now turn the new relay on and feed the pump,fan, a/c and signales takeing a considerable load out of the main fuse box, it used to get so hot on the relays that you couldn't put your hands on them, now they all run cool, and no more fuse problems for the last 3 years, now I just have to find out what's making my tach jump all around an goofy readings, if anyone would like their box's fixed,and a new wiring diagram for the new setup, email me and just pay for the return shipping, we sould set a picture site for the Mondials..what do you think?........Ang | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Peter - the oil fitting that blew is the one with the curved connection.  | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Ken - see below picture of how I repaired my roof latch. Hope its helpful.  | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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ANY ONE HAVE A SARE DISTRIBUTOR CAP? ENDED UP UTTING A NEW "USED" ELECTRICAL BOARD ON THE CAR EVERYTHING WORING FINE NOW. BUT AFTER GIVING THE CAR ITS GENERAL POST CRUSE INSPECTION I FOUND S SMALL WHOLE IN THE TOP OF ONE DISTRIBUTOR CAP. WELL S*** NOW I HAVE A NEW PROJECT. JUST CHECKED DENNIS McCAINS WEB SIGHT 295.00 FOR A NEW ONE AND THAT IS WITHOUT VASELINE. ANY BODY HAE A USED ONE OR A GOOD SOURCE TO FIND ONE. BEST REGARDS YOUALL HEATH [email protected] | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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Todd is at Continental Motor Sports in Hinsdale , Illinois. I'll send your regards. Their email address is Ferraris-r-us.com Their number is 630-655-3535 if you want to give him a call. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Chris: The next time you see Todd tell him I'm extolling his virtues as a mechanic. Tell him that he worked on my 84 Mondial in the summer of '84, I was the panic stricken owner (I owned the car for only 2 weeks and I already a put $2,000 into it for "general maintenance"!) who had the ground dwell problem and who also needed his electronic fuel control unit replaced. He'll remember. He's a great guy. Tell him I said hi! Also, mention this site to him - he'd be a great technical advisor! Where does he work? Do they have an e-mail address? | ||
| Chris_N_Chicago (Chris_N_Chicago)
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yeah , Todd works on my 348 Spider...he is the best. Sometimes I even come in and without an appointment ....he would have my car up in the rack in minutes explaining things...what a considerate person ! | ||
| Kristoffer Hansson (Maverick)
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Got a question regarding the mondials. Whats the difference in space (in height, front seats) between a ´82 and a ´83. I know they changed the chassi a bit but I don´t know how much.. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Ed - Mine is red, with tan interior, black top. I did my 30K 2 years ago, 1K miles ago. I also had to get the Fuel Injection control unit replaced (Ferrari of LI's mechanic at the time "Todd Routi" was a genius - I understand he is now in Chicago - he really knew his stuff - he fixed a lot of little things (i.e., broken ground cable that was causing my dwell to jump all over the place, and taught me a lot about my car)). Right now I'm slowly replacing all the hoses. Do you do any work on your car? If so, how do you jack it up high enough to get under it to work on it, any hints? On the roof latch, I used a steel shelving bracket, drilled and filed it and it works great! When I have a bit more time I post my story on how you shouldn't buy a Ferrari - love a first site and not knowing that a Ferrari nut could cost you $25!. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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From Ed... My car has 59k Miles, new belts 9k ago, how about you? My car is Metallic black w/ black interior. you? I like the looks I get., people just freak,, (I know you enjoy the same reaction.) The only real problems have been the oil cooler hoses ( fixed by locktiting the threads) the latches ( see above) locating distributor rotors & currently, the foreword cam cover gasket................. Have you heard or performed this repair with the engine in the car? The throttle cable is in the way, any advice? Have you priced new 240/55/390's yet? I got a quote for $250.00 from Coker tire. I would really like to get a set of 16" rims. Do you still have the 390's? Chat back, Ed | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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From Ed... I just saw your posting for the troublesome top latches, I went through the same problem. ( I like the fact that one can drive home in the rain with only one latch and no leaks.) I believe Ferrari wanted $280.00 for a new one, so I purchased a piece of 1" square tube stock, cut it, drilled it, quench hardened it, and Walla! a new latch part made from hardened carbon steel and not cast aluminum. Total cost to me $ 14.50 & one hour of pleasure -------------------------------------------------- NORWOOD limits my turbo to only 1/2 a bar, there is some lag but at 3500 rpm, but with the pedal mashed, you have to have the wheel straight or your gonna spin it. ( I know and I have the clinched cheeks to prove it.) Because of this, my wife is afraid to drive it,,,,, BONUS! signed 350 HP, Ed ( 85 Mondial Cab Turbo) | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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HELLO ED READ YOUR NOTE ON REDUING THE WIREING FOR YOUR FUEL PUMP FUSE. I JUST MESSED UP MY CIRCUIT BOARD TRYING TO PUT ON A NEW FUSE BOX. THE BOARD WAS HEAT AFFECTED AND BRITTLE. WHEN I PUSHED ON THE NEW FUSE BOX I HEARD CRUMBLING SOUNDS FROM THE CIRCUIT BOARD "DAMIT". I HAVE FOUND A USED UNIT FROM MARANELLO AUTO PARTS BEING SHIPPED TODAY. MY QUESTION IS CAN YOU SUPPLY ME WITH A PICTURE OR A DRAWING OF WHAT YOU HAD DONE BYPASSING THE FUES BOX ANND PUTTING AN IN LINE FUSE ON YOUR SYSTEM ON YOUR PUMP. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON FRYING THE NEW BOARD. I'M TO CHEAP TO SEND THE MONEY TWICE. BEST REGARDS, HEATH [email protected] | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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All: Perhaps this discussion should extend to all Mondials regardless of year or Cab. / Hardtop. Maybe were on to something here. I could have really used something like this 2 years ago when I paid $5,000 for my 30K service! I trusted the dealer! Please forgive me...! If anyone needs some advise of how to fix / rebuild a broken Convertible latch (that hooks the roof to the windshield)let me know, I have a simple fix that is stronger than the original. | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Peter: I try to take a digital picture of the fitting that blew and post it. It should be up by Monday. | ||
| Erik Jonsson (Gamester)
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Here you go everyone, the less expensive alternative for your oil hoses! Cut and weld on new -10 fittings on your banjo's, and the straight and 90 degree ends are available. Parts list: 2) 10 GTX-S Female connector (to weld to banjo) $2.41 ea 1) 1C543-18-10 (90degree Crimp) $24.04 1) 1C343-18-10 (straight Crimp) $10.64 ~4) feet of -10 stainless braided hose...haven't gotten that far yet, but about $40 or less. All parts were obtained from Diamond Hose and Fittings Boise Idaho 208-383-4861, fax 343-5792  | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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No problem Charles, thought I should ask anyways. By the way, which end of the hose did blow-up on your car? One of my hoses looks like an aftermarket replacement (but obviously official with a "Milano" certification testing tag), which was weeping at the threaded end. | ||
| HEATH VAUGHN (Heath)
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ED & CHARLIE JUST POSTED A NOTE ON MY FUSE BOX PROBLEMS SORT OF THINK I CREATED A MONSTER WHEN I PUT IN THE NEW BOX I LOVE MY FERRARI BUT TIMES LIKE THIS IS WHY THEY INVENTED SINGLE MALT SCOTCH. I DONT LIKE GOING TO ATLANTA TO HAVE SOMETHING FIXED I (THE DUMB ASS) BROKE BUT ONE MUST PAY FOR HIS EDUCATION. HEY MY FERRARI IS RED WITH LIGHT CREAM INTEROR I THINK IT IS THE BEST LOOKING MODEL EVER MADE. HEATH | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Ed - thanks for the note - A 350HP Mondial Cab. I can feel a whiplash coming on! Do you have any digital picturew of your engine bay - I'ld love to see the turbo! Thanks... Charles | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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This message is from ED... I own an 85 Mondial cab Turbo (308 not 328) that has been modified & serviced its whole life by NORWOOD in Dallas. The 308 fuel pump power problem has been addressed quite nicely by NORWOOD with the addition of a new fuse holder mounted in the engine bay. The wires are intercepted from the harness beneath the Coils on the left side of the engine bay. In this manner the faulty panel and the inadequate harness are both bypassed. Because my car has an aftermarket injection omputer (Hayes type), the ignition is stock, three fuses and two relays are relocated to here. If you would like to cut and paste this in the "Ferrari Chat" chat room, I don't mind for I have yet to figure out how to register for a password. Please post this in the new " 84 Mondial" section also. Thank you( I'm quite excited that we Mondial owners have our own chat section now.) Signed 350HP, Ed | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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I had Ferrari of LI rebuild mine during the 30K service. Less than 6 months later one of the rebuilt lines blew right at the fitting (fortunately I was able to immediately shut the car off). The dealer replaced the hose at no charge but they found and additional $500 worth of things wrong! I wish I could answer your detailed questions, but it's beyond my meager skills. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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What oil hoses did you use? Stock? I'm trying to get a set made using hydraulic hoses/fittings, but I'm having a hell-of-a-time trying to find the banjos. The threaded end is a DIN 20078 24° Light Series, dash-10 hose, 18mm tube. But the banjo? | ||
| Charles T (Charles)
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Hi - I thought it would be a good idea to start a stream regarding 1984 Mondial Cabs. to see it there is much interest. I've owned an '84 Cab for 3 years now. I have had done the 30K service, linkage alignment, oil hoses replaced, new starter, etc. It's a love / hate relationship. Has anyones tried to replace the convertable top? |