| Author | Message | ||
| Russ Moore (Rem9)
Junior Member Username: Rem9 Post Number: 80 Registered: 6-2001 |
A Camaro in another 10 years will be just another old used up Chevrolet. I hear the same thing all the time, not only Camaros. It's interesting that these folks get so defensive by the very sight of a Ferrari. I have seen some of Detroit's or Japan's production line assemblies that have had power added, turbos, tires, suspensions, sway bars, brakes, etc etc and they are quick, and a rare few of them can even handle in a corner. But all these will end up in the "used car" ads with something like, $43,000 dollars invested, must sell, best offer over $5000. If someone still doesn't get the picture, buy the Camaro, or whatever, and enjoy. I bought my Ferrari to please only myself and don't care what others think. | ||
| Al Johnson (Bigal)
New member Username: Bigal Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yes, there are a lot of cars out there that are faster than Ferraris. SO WHAT? The bottom line is that they are still NOT Ferraris. There is no other marque in the world that has the allure of Ferrari, period. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2002 |
And in a surprising low number of years, the camaro will be worth less than the 25+ year old Ferrari. To many of us, it is already, and was when it left the factory. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 67 Registered: 3-2002 |
Camaros are great cars with bad interiors. Yes, a 02 Camaro is faster than a '79 308. So what? It's still a Camaro. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 13 Registered: 6-2002 |
on't really have a page put together yet (I may once the car is done though.) Here's another pic, this of the N* engine mounted to the Fiero's 5-speed Getrag transmission. http://www.cartsys.com/fiero/northstar/2/nstar-front-on-small.jpg All that is needed is a custom (or modified) flywheel, and a clutch, and some new axles and mounts. Frighteningly easy to put in. 3/4ths of my money is going into the chassis, only 1/4th into the engine. I'm going with a 7.25" dual-disc unit (similar to an F40's clutch actually.) because I am camming up the N* to the ~430-460hp range. (peak at 8500rpm!) See, GM built a F355, there's just some assembley required :P (don't worry, I'm not going to "Ferrari-kit" it, it's going to be it's own car, still a blatant wanabee though :D) The C5 Z06 is a pretty impressive track car, but I've been underwhelmed by the Viper. I was able to go faster with 140hp in a stock 'pimpmobile' around sears point's (admitedly tight, favouring my car) course. I just can't stomach a car that only revs to 4500, even if it does have God's Own Torque(TM). "Whenever I take out my Ferrari, it is for me, not anyone else." Very well put, I'd still lust just as hard after the F355 of my dreams if everyone else thought it was a bloody Yougo. For me, Ferraris and sports cars are very personal things, emotional things, and are not subject to objective study and decisionmaking. Heck, the sound alone of an F355 is worth the price of admission, even if it went nowhere. The fact that Ferrari also gives you a car, chassis, wheels, tyres and even a gearobx, is well, terribly generous of them I think! :D) Best! Ben. | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 119 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ben, thanks for coming back: I couldn't get a full screen of info when I linked to the address you gave>about 4 smaller pictures and the right on was a tach. Any ideas? John | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1004 Registered: 9-2001 |
Not all American cars are bad though. A Viper GTS or C5 Z06 can run with almost any modern Ferrari on the road course and can outrun most on the drag strip. But, they still don't have the same class as a Ferrari or the new V8 Dino for that matter. | ||
| Charles Byrd (Vogel)
New member Username: Vogel Post Number: 48 Registered: 6-2001 |
I may be getting this going again, but I don't understand the comparison. I didn't buy my 77 308 GTB for a top speed and I definitely didn't buy it for drag racing. I bought it because of all the different styles of cars in the world, I wanted a Ferrari. I mean now that I have owned my Ferrari for over a year, and with the exception of a 355 Spyder, all black, with the standard 6-speed, I could not imagine a car that I would enjoy more. I have owned many older, 60's American cars, newer vettes, and such, but none carry the mystique and the fascination to me that my Ferrari does. I don't turn around in my seat to watch a vette going the other way, which I still do with Ferrari's. I just don't think that many people, even some Ferrari owners, understand that whenever I take out my Ferrari, it is for me, not anyone else. I am extremely happy with the performance of the car, and I can't imagine not owning a Ferrari for even a short time. To each his own vehicle, but don't try to tell me that there is a car out there better than my 308 just to make yourself feel better, I don't drive the Ferrari for you. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi John, I'll take a risk here and post a quick sig pic from another forum I subscribe to... http://www.cartsys.com/fiero/sig3-small.jpg If you want to talk about these 'wannabee ferraris' feel free to email me. (but, yes, the Northstar bolts right up, and fits in the engine bay. Rightmost pic is my motor. PS; G.Peters; I hear you on turn 8a. (but I fear bikes! Want a 748 someday, but I'd be terrified to take it on public roads!) | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1184 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'll go with Fred here & guess that on a tight twisty road th Camaro will b sucking the 308s dust  American cars have lousy brakes & the handling isnt much better. WHen I used to drive my 308 at Lime Rock NOBODY would outbrake me or beat me through the double apex Big Bend, Nobody | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
New member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2002 |
Art, Sucks to get old doesn't it . Nothing compares to flicking a bike into turn 8 at Willow Springs in the afternoon when the winds would come up ( pucker factor). Praying for grip at turn 8a at Sears and lastly walking the track at Daytona for the first time and asking yourself what the hell am I doing here, then taking to the track for the first time and pinning the throttle on the banking and thinking this rocks and what a bunch of sissies the car guys are for racing here in their cocoons . Have fun with your kart. | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2002 |
Last month I was giving my buddy a ride in the Ferrari. We pulled up to a stop light and right in front of us was a red Fiero, 4-cyl. The kid driving it had it all "pimped" out. In the back window it had a sticker that said "Fear This". My buddy and I got quite a kick out of that. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 470 Registered: 10-2001 |
How about bolting a Ferrari engine in a Fiero? Would the memebers of the Fiero Club sneer at it being a kit car? That iron duke 4 banger in the older models was the soul of that car! | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 139 Registered: 5-2002 |
All I remember from 60's and 70's US cars is they were crap. Poor quality and workmanship.They rusted out,burnt oil,excessive gas usage.They were ugly. A camaro or mustang were not even true sports cars. They were for the family guy who could afford it with a backseat for the kids. They handled like crap. They braked like crap. A 250 Ferrari was a blast. A 206 was a scream.And as far as them being BUILT TO LAST I remember buying any one of them for$100.00 with about 90k on it and the car was done. I mean beat inside and out. You were lucky if you could tell what the original paint and interior looked like.If you put something heavy in the trunk.It very well could have ended up on the road. You could drive them like Fred Flinstone when you ran out of gas. If it wasnt for the Japanease invasion the UAW would still be making CRAP.Warranty was 12/12. Where do you think the 3/36 and now 10/10 came from? JMO. | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 486 Registered: 6-2001 |
G.PETERES: I did the same thing. Got too old, and bought a kart. 125 Honda Shifter. They have an old guys class and I run there. It's interesting, but we only 1 - 2 seconds off the kids at Sears Point, and I think that if push came to shove, I could probably run with most of the kids at the front, but I don't know how long I could do that. Art | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2001 |
Ben: Bolt a Northstar into a Fiero? I wish you wouldn't have said that. I have a 1988 Formula Fiero I was looking to sell, NOW??? I might just have to see what that combination will do. I'll blame it on you when I tell my wife. John | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2002 |
The Caddy Fleetwood I may see about getting reinstated, but the Fiero? Sorry, no can do. There are limits to what even an apparent superhero like myself can pull off. A parting shot: The Camaro may be superfast and all that, but its still got the uglies if you ask me. Which of coarse you didnt, so I will shut up now. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2002 |
Weren't they still using a Live Axle? Now, what I'd like to see is a C5 with a 5.4litre variant of the Northstar V8 (or the N* v12 they've recently shown?) That'd be neat. No reason it shouldn't be good for 540bhp or so. Never bring tears to your eye like a 550 will though. Best! Ben. (PS: Fiero? Who said Fiero? Didja know that a Northstar bolts right up to a Fiero's gearbox?) | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
New member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2002 |
Art, the Busa is now turbo-charged and your right it is a big fat pig. But when when you want to see 160 real quick it is the way to go. Got the R1 at a Yamaha employee sale (friend works there)for next to nothing couldn't turn down the price. I have kids now so the bikes are a once a month thing. Karts are my outlet now a Tony Kart for me and a Kadet Kart for my 3 year old restricted to 8 mph for him. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 61 Registered: 5-2002 |
You might be able to do a camaro or fiero rebody to a 456 or 308/328 respectively....or maybe that's just going too far. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 429 Registered: 2-2001 |
Then maybe he can do something about the Fiero? Ernesto | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2002 |
Terry, If you have some free time after getting the Camaro re-instated, could you maybe get GM to bring back the Caprice Classic and Cadillac Fleetwood? It'd be a late father's day gift for my dad. Thanks, Andre | ||
| John A (Jarends)
Junior Member Username: Jarends Post Number: 112 Registered: 7-2001 |
Firstly, there are two John A's on this board right now. I'm the one together with Bruce planning a BBQ for August. Crazy to meet someone with the same name. I own a 78 and the 02 special TransAm. Both are monsters that should be driven by James Dean. The Ferrari my wife owns is a totally different class. Sounds different and drives different. All three cars are beautiful for what they are. listen to a formula race and a stockcar/drag race. Both beautiful sounds but very different. Can't wait to talk to myself, John | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
New member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
"( one less Viper after some chucklehead launched himself off the mountain at the Virginia City Hill Climb this past weekend killed himself and his navigator )." Thanks for the nice comment G.Peters. They were members of our NorCal Viper club. I will pass it on to their families...... | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 470 Registered: 6-2001 |
G.Peters: Why own the 1300 when the 1000 is almost as quick in a straight line and turns so much better? I thought the Hayabusa didn't handle so well, and the R1 is obsolete. Just my thoughts. Art | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 469 Registered: 6-2001 |
That hill climb is NOT SAFE if you intend to go fast and make a mistake. There have been several F-cars wrecked on that climb. I've taken my car up that road (not when the event was running) and decided that it wasn't a good idea to do that, because of the terrain, and the potential for a mistake. If you just want to show up, then it may make sense, but if you want to go fast, not a great idea. Too bad about the guy in the Corvette. Art | ||
| Steve Hanis (Steve_hanis)
New member Username: Steve_hanis Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2002 |
Like others have said apples and oranges. One no better than the rest. Only better in the eye of the owner and his friends who drive the same. just my 2� | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 249 Registered: 7-2001 |
Oh man, somebody died at the hillclimb???? That may be the straw that breaks the camels back. The rules get more and more strict each year at that event. The locals don't like it much, this may be the last year of the event | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 410 Registered: 3-2002 |
Am I missing something, or does the Camaro that got all of this discussion going do 0-60 in 5.5 secs? My 328 would do that, if that's what I got it for. Always thought it was kind of silly to get all excited about going fast in a straight line. | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
New member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2002 |
John ,forgot to add the S has a Comptech Super Charger. End of story , these are cars I run into on my commute . Also on nice days the Hayabusa comes out , then bring on the Vettes, Vipers ( one less Viper after some chucklehead launched himself off the mountain at the Virginia City Hill Climb this past weekend killed himself and his navigator ). For the $11,000.00 I spent the bike was a bargain. 0 to 100 mph in around 5 seconds. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2002 |
John Arends: Sorry my comments relative to the Camaro vs the WRX Subaru upset you so much. I am not an anti-Camaro guy and I did not kill the Camaro, I believe that was a decision done at GM. Anyway, I dont recall ever instructing them to eliminate it from the product line but then again I could have forgotten. Perhaps I did it between ordering a pizza and putting a halt to all Govt efforts to breakup Microsoft. (Mr. Gates still owes me a fee for that last one). I am sure the Camaro would beat the WRX at a drag strip and perhaps in top speed. I am equally sure that in 20 laps around Road Atlanta the WRX would have a sizable advantage and in a stock class competition at Pikes Peak the WRX would simply eat its lunch. Are any of these fair comparisons? Of coarse not. Two different cars marketed to different segments appealing to different people. If it helps you sleep better, I will see about getting the Camaro put back into production for you. It may take me a few days, I have to mow the grass first. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 248 Registered: 7-2001 |
It's such a tricky debate. 1/4 vs lap times. When I had my supra, and I took it to the 1/4 track, all the hardcore gearheads would give me slack, talk about me behind my back and flash their one toothed grins wherever I went. They called me an idiot for spending 50 grand CAD on a car that only did 12.5 in the 1/4 mile. Then, they tried talking to me in their slack-jawed english, that they spent 1/4's of what I did, and they are all running low to mid 11 second 1/4 mile times. I found, that the quickest way to shut them up was to offer them this deal........We run 15 1/4 miles passes, and then 15 laps of the racetrack. We take the total time for both events, and whoever wins gets registration to the other guys car. Sure, they may get 2 seconds per 1/4 run, which gives them an advatage of 30 seconds, but after 5 laps on the track their puny brakes are usually shot and you can more than triple their advantage. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2002 |
I�ve got an �84 308 QV. It has been bought up to modern standards, engine work, wheels/tires, springs/shocks, ect. It still has the low stock gearing, 145 mph @ redline or so just a Camaro. At the autocross, I take about a 1.5 seconds off a Camaro�s time every time and about dead even with the vettes. As far as � mile, I haven�t had it to the strip yet. I can however tell you that leaving a light, I generally pull 1 car length in 1st, then another � length so in each gear after. 308s can be fast. A 355 or 360 would beat me, although I might take them to the � mile line the way I�m geared. A Camaro is a great car for the money, but it really doesn�t have the chassis for any game but � mile. A vette is a better car and will run or can be made to run with anything on the road. It�s not a luxury car though, Ferraris are finished with much nicer materials. That doesn�t make them faster, it just makes them nice. If performance is all that matters, you don�t need a Ferrari. If you want a nice car that is fast and people can�t help but look at, a Ferrari is a good choice. Which car is better for you is clearly something only you can decide, but I�m pretty sure you�ll never convince a Ferrari own to trade it in for a Camaro. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2002 |
John Arends (383ss) writes: I routinely see STOCK Camaros rung 13.5's at the track. I write: I don't know of any track that a Ferrari can go around in 13.5 seconds. Most are over 1 minute, some are over 3 minutes. You are comparing apples and oranges. Ferraris are built to run road racing courses not (stupid) american drag racing strips. As an experiment perform the following: Take you beloved Camaro to the interstate, floor the throttle, and wait 20 minutes. Your engine is now toast, and you tranny has over 85% probability of being toast. Perform the same test in a Ferrari and you will find that no damage has occured. You see, Ferraris are not built to travel 1/4 miles at a time, they are built to travel LeMans at a time. As a second experiment: Take you brand new beloved Camaro and drive it for 5 years. Then look at what it is worth (35% of original?). A well cared for ferrari at this age is typically worth original book (100%). John again: A STOCK camaro is rated around 320 hp. I have PERSONALLY seen them dyno at over 320 RWHP. 320/.85 = approx 375 flywheel HP. Me again: BIG F%$#ing deal; 5.7 litres making only 375 HP. My F355 makes 380 HP with only 3.5 litres. The real question here is why is the big 5.7 produce so little HP? Answer, they can't/don't rev! Just what do you think it would take to make a SBC rev to 9,000 RPM without blowing the valve train? If theat SBC was making the power of the Ferrari, it would come stock from GM with over 600 HP. Makes you puny 320 look puny doesn't it. And then after all the ranting and rolling, its still a camaro--i.e. forgettable | ||
| Peter S�derlund /328 GTB -88 (Corsa)
Junior Member Username: Corsa Post Number: 203 Registered: 4-2001 |
So what's the lap times at Pista di Fiorano for those Camaros? That's the only thing that counts for a Ferrariman. Steering-lock racing (as we sometimes call it in Sweden) is nothing for Ferrarist to bother about, LAP TIMES gentlemen. Ciao Peter | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 1749 Registered: 12-2000 |
308's can't beat too much on the street anymore. Except in the categories of class, style, appeal, resale value, history, and "you won't admit it you kid racer hot head, but you really want my car and now your girlfriend wants me". | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 425 Registered: 2-2001 |
I'd take the Subaru over the Camaro any day of the week. Although the Camaro may be faster in a straight line, the Subaru is a much better overall car. Ernesto | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1481 Registered: 2-2001 |
The Camaro was a victim of it's own success. Insurance rates killed the Camaro.IMHO. | ||
| John Arends (383ss)
New member Username: 383ss Post Number: 2 Registered: 6-2002 |
Quote form Terry Springer (Tspringer) "Wait till the guy in a new Subaru WRX blows your doors off. THAT is one crazy fast car! Try telling the new Camaro owner that while his car may outrun your Ferrari, it wont outperform a Subaru" You've got to be freak'n kidding me. Comments like that, with no proof, REALLY piss me off. It's because of people like you that camaro's are dead. Few realize what a performance machine they are. A Camaro will destroy a subaru in acceleration. A subaru may stay with it off the line because of it's AWD but the camaro would DEFINATELY win in the 1/8 let alone 1/4. Crazy fast my ass. and AGAIN it only gets 20/27 mpg?!?! LOL. Camaro is rated at the same with a MUCH bigger engine. This is a quote from a Subaru website. "they are able to run 14.0 seconds flat if you're a good enough driver. Magazines have tested them to run between 14.0 - 14.5. 0-60 times are also quick. Car & Driver got it to do 5.4 seconds by dumping the clutch at 5,000rpm. But the range is between 5.4 and 5.8 seconds" I'll admit 0-60 in 5.4 is pretty quick, about the same as a camaro, but they can't hang with it. I will agree with you all. the camaro had a lot of issues, poor space management, poor visibility, that damn hump, and a lot of other things. But dollar for dollar there is NOTHING better. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 245 Registered: 7-2001 |
Tim, I also thought that the dashboard was too long and slanted. And that rear passenger spark plug is a nightmare to change. I agree though, it's an amazing bang for the buck car. | ||
| Kyle Jones (Mutiny32)
New member Username: Mutiny32 Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2002 |
John, your Camaro would kick the crap out of a lot of Ferraris. I never got to hear it last night. My car on the other hand, would get it's ass handed to it by anything. Even though it's a Camaro. I plan on changing that though. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1125 Registered: 6-2001 |
Billy, maybe that is why the 70's camaros are so ugly ;) | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1124 Registered: 6-2001 |
James, they arent that bad. the hump in the passenger side footwell is from the cat. John, you are completely right. MY friend's car ran a 13.57 stock, and its an automatic. He has maybr $800 of stuff on it and it's best time is a 12.8. Thats faster than an F355 and as fast as a 360. Thats not bad considereing you could buy 6 of them for the price of a 360. While i agree Ferraris are the ultimate car, they are not the only car. | ||
| John Arends (383ss)
New member Username: 383ss Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2002 |
sorry but I have to step in here. Hope I'm not out of line. I own a 1999 SS with a 383 stroker engine. A STOCK camaro is rated around 320 hp. I have PERSONALLY seen them dyno at over 320 RWHP. 320/.85 = approx 375 flywheel HP. Quote: "Peter, my weekday tranportation is a Honda S2000 and nothing I enjoy more than racing Camaro's ,Mustang's , Vette's on my commute. The Honda is faster ,brakes much better, and corners with great grip and the best part of it, my little beater does this with just two liters of engine displacement. You've got to be kidding!!!! no way you could beat a new vette or camaro. A camaro will SPANK a Cobra or S2000 AND it's rated at the same if not better gas mileage with a MUCH bigger engine. S200 is 20/25 camaro is 19/27 Motortrend rated the S2000 at a 14.2 1/4 ET, LOL. I routinely see STOCK Camaros rung 13.5's at the track. with a couple hundred dollars in bolt on's they are 12 sec cars. Not to mention that with about 4k in a cam and heads they can put out 425+rwhp without sacraficing drivability or much gas mileage. Guys out there now have run 10 sec quarter miles on a stock bottom end (i.e. 346 CID). Check out LS1.com or LS1tech.com. Mustang rate up there with a camaro??? What a joke. Until the 03 cobra comes out, mustangs have been seeing Z tail lights for the last 10 years. Just wanted to get some facts straight. I admit I don't know much about Ferrari's. I would love to have one and respect them. I am bitter that GM is killing the camaro, it was the BEST bang for buck EVER. | ||
| billy zissis (89tr)
Junior Member Username: 89tr Post Number: 195 Registered: 4-2001 |
Did anyone know that the Camaros of 1970-1973 were modeled after Ferraris? It's in a book I had on the history of Camaros. Look, the grill the round lights , the long hood. If I remember correctly they modeled after the 275 gtb ( I am not sure on that one, I will lokk for the book though? | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 353 Registered: 12-2001 |
Love those 69's (camaro, that is); the lines are pretty close to perfect and the car still has that good old "let's use metal" rather than plastic build to it. They are still relatively cheap, aren't they (i'm not talking about Yenkos or factory "one-offs") and, i suppose the only issue, apart from power, is the suspension, but if you are willing to spend money, you could build a pretty nice street rod, from a huge selection of not overpriced parts, yes? | ||
| Robert Jude Klein (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well I did not read all the post, and everything I write sounds so well, you decide. Owning a Ferrari is much more than just having a performance car. And it is different for every person. For me it is getting to know as much about the car as I can, and enjoy taking care of it as well as driving the car. As far as Camaro Vs Ferrari, a new 575, 456, or 360 will Kick the •••• out of a 02 camaro in reverse. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 770 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am not sure why they come up to you and inform you of this either. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves. I have a feeling they don't go up to the gent. in the Lincoln Town Car and do the same thing. | ||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
New member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2002 |
Peter, my weekday tranportation is a Honda S2000 and nothing I enjoy more than racing Camaro's ,Mustang's , Vette's on my commute. The Honda is faster ,brakes much better, and corners with great grip and the best part of it, my little beater does this with just two liters of engine displacement. But the bottom line is " it ain't a Ferrari". The sound the 360 makes alone is worth the price of admission. Have to ask why a strangers opinion would matter regarding your choice of car . And do you drive for the joy of driving or for the attention ? | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 235 Registered: 7-2001 |
Tim, I agree, they are a good value for the dollar. However, there are some things that I don't like about them. An ex-girlfriend of mine had a Camaro SS, and the passenger side footwell was limited in space because the transmission caused a big hump in the floorboard. They still use a pushrod engine, which is very old technology. Finally, the front of the car is very, very long. You cannot even see the front of the car because of the weird angle. If I ever had to choose between a Camaro and a Cobra, I would take the Ford, because it uses overhead cams, and is much easier to work on (that camaro was a ••••• to change the passenger side spark plugs) | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1111 Registered: 6-2001 |
They are amazing for the price. Where else can you buy a 300hp car that is faster than a F355 in the quarter mile and still get 27mpg for $25k? Some people would even say they sound better with an aftermarket exhaust. | ||
| Dave Mills (360dave)
Junior Member Username: 360dave Post Number: 52 Registered: 1-2002 |
No need to become jerks too about it, guys. The Camaro's an awesome car. I happen to drive one as my track car, and keep the Ferrari for my "fun" car. Like any specific group of folks, you'll find the ones that are jerks and don't "get it", and others that are completely reasonable folks. Dave | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 204 Registered: 1-2002 |
Translation of subject line: Mullets Rule | ||
| David Albright (Dalbright)
Member Username: Dalbright Post Number: 350 Registered: 2-2001 |
Camaro's are so great.....thats why they've discontinued them!! | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2002 |
Fred, Amen brother! Pete. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 508 Registered: 2-2001 |
Peter, I think you are right on the braking also. I forgot about the ABS. Really it doesn't matter to me though. I would still take my 308 over a camaro any day of the week and twice on sunday. | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Junior Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 234 Registered: 7-2001 |
Robert, Props to the mustang gt. I am currently driving a 1992 LX 5.0 hatchback and I love it!!!!! It's not as fast as my supra, nor does it brake, look, handle, accelerate as well. But for 1/10th the cost of the supra, I am having relativly happy, trouble free motoring. And if it breaks down, I can go to the junkyard and buy replacement parts for pennies. I think I am going to keep this car until I finish school and start working. Then, hopefully, I can kick the twisty, creaky, sqeaky body to the curb, and buy something that is put together with better quality. | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 6 Registered: 6-2002 |
Terry, My point exactly! 23 years of technology, the car should outperform. I forgot to mention, the new car is safer too. It just amuses me that these guys are drawn to my Ferrari like a moth to a flame because it is an exotic car, ask me a few questions about it, then proceed to let me know in what ways the car they drive is better. Never fails. I also like it when the ladies walk past Mr. Camaro to ask me if they can have a ride! | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 79 Registered: 5-2002 |
I used to be a Mustang gt guy and they are good performers and I enjoyed them,but simply put the only reason I had one was because I couldn't afford a 308 then. I'm glad everyone dosen't choose to buy a 308 then they would be out of reach for me. | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2002 |
Fred, I would be willing to bet that the new Camaro would brake better than the 308. ABS technology and all. I personally think that the 308 would handle at least as good, if not better, than the Camaro. However, I will not argue the point with the Camaro boys. All the Camaro owners that come up to me to tell me how much better their car is than mine seem to know all about Ferraris. Even though they have never ridden in one and mine is the first one they have ever actually seen. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Junior Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2002 |
I would imagine that an '02 Camaro will blow the doors off of any stock 308 in pretty much every performance catagory. It would be pretty sad for GM if it did not, after all its a modern to antique comparison. My '77 308 has antique car plates on it now... any moron with a modern car who wants to boast that it has better performance will get a simple "of coarse it does" from me. Wait till the guy in a new Subaru WRX blows your doors off. THAT is one crazy fast car! Try telling the new Camaro owner that while his car may outrun your Ferrari, it wont outperform a Subaru! | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 507 Registered: 2-2001 |
Will a 02 camaro brake and handle better then a 308? They are awfully big cars. I know they will kill it in top speed and acceleration but I didn't think camaros handled all that well. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2002 |
It seems like a waste of time telling you but I'm bored. What did a 79 Camaro do??????????? or vette?????? .I think the dealer gave out free bubble yum bubble gum with every purchase back then. | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2002 |
I'm a new Ferrari owner, '79 308 GTS (check my profile for the photo). I've wanted one since I was a kid, lifelong dream, etc. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here! Anyway, I finally achieved my dream. I love driving the Ferrari and enjoy the attention it draws. One thing I have found now that I have a Ferrari, is that a Camaro is a far superior automobile. I never realized this before and I am glad that there are so many helpful people out there to let me know. Every swingin' •••• out there with a new Camaro is quick to point out how much better their car is than mine. My Ferrari only has a measly 255 hp where the Camaro has like 300 or something. Funny how nobody mentioned this to me when I had the Mustang GT, I guess the Mustang rates up there with the Camaro. I agree with them. I tell them right to their face that the '02 Camaro will accelerate, brake, and handle better that my 23 year old Ferrari. It also gets better gas mileage, pollutes less and has more trunk space. I also tell them that they will never be in the situation where people will wonder if their car is a kit or an actual Chevrolet. What I don't tell them (because I don't want them to be jealous) is that my Ferrari is still worth what I paid for it. |