| Author | Message | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1506 Registered: 2-2001 |
There are some very clueless people out there. Yesterday I was working on a Honda Accord. I had another Honda in the bay right beside me. I had two Hondas in front of my shop awaiting delivery to the customers. A lady drives up in a Honda and asks me "Do you work on Hondas?" | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2002 |
People mistake everything for Camaros and Corvettes. A huge percentage of the largely clueless American public have Corvette and Camaro burned into their brain. Think about it... These are the same people you see on "Jay Walking" who don't know who President Lincoln was. I was talking with somebody that owns a Lotus and their Lotus has been mistaken for a Vette. I personally witnessed people mistaking a Daytona for a Vette (!) It's pretty scary how programmed people can be. Even if you aren't into something, you'd think that simple powers of observation would override reflexive association. | ||
| Erich Walz (Deleteall)
Junior Member Username: Deleteall Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2001 |
Mark: Its funny you mention people thought the NSX was a Corvette. When the camaro was restyled in the early 90's and they went to a paint scheme(colored body/black B-Pillar) that was the same as the NSX. Apparently, more than one person (not a car person) thought the NSX was a camaro. Saw that in C&D or R&T. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 467 Registered: 10-2001 |
Bill, you summed it up better than any way I could have ever imagined. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
New member Username: Glassman Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2002 |
Well, after viewing all these post's, it is very clear to me. A true exotic is the car that you always dreamed of, and thought you would never have. Isn't it great to know that we all did get them? Good work guys. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
New member Username: Artherd Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2002 |
An exotic makes you want, or want to BE, the guy/gal driving it :D) Best! Ben | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 430 Registered: 10-2001 |
Any Ferrari, Lancia Stratos, Lambo Miura, basically anything that makes people do strange things to acquire them! If the Ferrari 246 Dino and Lancia Stratos are there, shouldn't the Fiat Dino (coupe and spider) be there? Same engine!  | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 757 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ferrari is most certainly more famous than Lambo. Where's Lambo in F1 now (they've tried and failed before)? Where's Lambo's sports car racing history? What about all those Tifosi around the world? They sure don't cheer for Lambo. What about all the famous and colorful people involved with Ferrari over the years? Ferrari's marketing department also have Lambo beat. That said, Lambos ARE more exotic than Ferraris. Those scissor doors and exaggerated styling are still drawing big crowds. A Corvette in Europe or Asia would be considered an exotic. And it will certainly draw a big crowd. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 274 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ernesto- if we went by track specs..then the Corvette would be and exotic. Most Exotic cars look faster sitting still then they realy are on the track. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 435 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sorry, I thought you would judge exotic sports cars by how they performed (especially on the track), technological specs, drivel feel, etc etc.... If all you are judging by is how big a crowd you attract with your car, then I for one would not be interested in purchasing one. I don't park my car and wait to see people's reactions. I drive it... Ernesto | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 273 Registered: 10-2001 |
I was hoping the 360 will be the first to break that stupid trend. And Audi's new baby Lambo. | ||
| Lawrence Coppari (Lawrence)
Junior Member Username: Lawrence Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2002 |
Car has to have a high degree of impracticability to be exotic. Extreme repair and parts cost are also prerequisites for an exotic. | ||
| RM Valher (Rmv)
Junior Member Username: Rmv Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2002 |
How about the term "supercar"?? Is a supercar an exotic? I've heard all the 200+ mph production road cars described as supercars. Same thing with a different name or are the terms mutually exclusive? Can a sports sedan (such as the M5 or E55) be described as a supercar but not an exotic? | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Junior Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 62 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ferrari IS exotic. Z8? Ya. Sort of. Corvette? No, but that's exactly what the Corvette is trying to acheive as a car. Exotic performance and engineering w/o the exotic price. Viper? Yes. Lambos? DUH! Porsches? For sure. NSX? Yes. Supra? Um NO! But like the Corvette, it's not trying to be a *true* exotic... It's just a Japanese pony car. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2898 Registered: 2-2001 |
That's what exotic means, enticing. Look it up. Regards, | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 434 Registered: 2-2001 |
Are we judging exotic sports cars by the amount of attention they get? Seems a bid odd to me... Ernesto | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 2895 Registered: 2-2001 |
An exotic is simply a car that is wanted by all and had by a few. Like Ferrari. JMO | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 271 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Someone listed Lamborghini as more famous than Ferrari." Go to any major international car show (Detroit, LA, Tokyo) and you will see huge crowds around the Lamborghini display. But with Ferrari's 550 and 360 blending in a bit... I don't see half as many people even stop to take a closer look. When I go to car shows I like to watch the crowd and see what the real person on the street thinks. I sat under the NSX display for a bit also. Amazing how many people thought it was a Corvette. | ||
| Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member Username: Boozy Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2001 |
Someone listed Lamborghini as more famous than Ferrari. It is worth noting that Ferrari is the most recognizable name brand in the world. More recognizable than IBM GM, or Ford. That's fame for ya. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 466 Registered: 10-2001 |
A Corvair is a 'near exotic' I would say. A curiosity that was a big departure from the norm, but it needed to be a more unique body, I think, to really be an exotic. How many angels are on this pin? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1501 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hell, My Corvair puts out 180HP with 164 CU.IN. Does that make it exotic? | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
New member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here are some pictures of exotics... Ferruccio Lamborghini posing with some of his exotics...  ...and very rare postwar Porsche at the Monterey Historics...  Now THOSE are exotics! | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 465 Registered: 10-2001 |
I like the BHP/displacement ratio as a measure of a car if not the definition of an exotic. My little Europa is .80; what do all you Ferrari guys and girls have? | ||
| Harlan Mott (Hmott3)
Junior Member Username: Hmott3 Post Number: 145 Registered: 12-2001 |
Doesn't 100hp/liter leave out a lot of ferrari's as well? Every v8 up till the 355 would be left out wouldn't it? Here is my list of 100hp/liter as for Ferrari's. Makes for a pretty small list of Ferrari's. 308 3.0 liter < 300hp (out) 328 3.2 liter < 320hp (out) 348 3.4 liter < 340hp (out) modal 3.2 liter < 320hp (out) modal T 3.4 liter < 340hp (out) 550 5.50 liter < 550hp (out) 575 5.75 liter < 575hp (out) 355 3.5 liter > 350hp (IN) 512TR 4.9 liter < 490hp (out) 412 4.9 liter < 490hp (out) GTO 2.8 liter > 280hp (IN) F40 2.9 liter > 290hp (IN) TR 4.9 liter < 490hp (out) 512bbi 4.9 liter < 490hp (out) 250GTO 2.95 liter < 295hp (OUT) <-- this out?? anyway, it was fun looking up some of these (some I did off the top of my head so they may be incorrect). | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 11 Registered: 5-2002 |
100 hp per liter??? Well, that leaves the NSX out. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 270 Registered: 10-2001 |
Exotic awards Most famous- Lambo Most respected- Ferrari Most useable- NSX Best Bang for Buck- Viper Best pure wedge- Lotus Best 2 seater with a semi-back seat- Porsche (all my firends with young kids voted for P-car) | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 134 Registered: 5-2002 |
Any car that can look damn good in green or orange and purple has to be able to wear the title of an exotic car | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 160 Registered: 7-2001 |
Lambo, Lotus, Ferrari, ASTON MARTIN,Bentley, NSX, Detomaso,Maserati, Lancia Stratos, Bugatti,M1 BMW,Gullwing Mercedes. These are all Exotic. Italians are not the only exotic maker. To say only Italian designs are Exotic is to leave out too many others. | ||
| RM Valher (Rmv)
Junior Member Username: Rmv Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ford would be mad to make so many GT40's. They should really tread carefully; they are dealing with a revered nameplate in motoring history. IMO, an exotic must be: 1)Rare/limited production 2)Extremely fast 3)Visually spectacular 4)Impractical and possibly: 5)Based on a race car, for eg. a homologation model. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 294 Registered: 2-2002 |
Word from Auto SupplierLand is that Ford intends to build 5000 or more GT 40s! This comes from the VP of Sales of a major supplier who was in talks to be involved in the project. If so they will pile up on dealer lots like Lincoln Blackwoods... | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
New member Username: Arlie Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2002 |
What about the Lola T-70 coupe, a beautiful car? And don't forget the whipping boy of the exotic car world, the Vector! In my book, one of the ultimate exotics is the Bizzarrini made in 1969. Fantastic Italian styling but with Chevrolet V8 power. Wish I could find one in a barn. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Junior Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 127 Registered: 1-2002 |
For me the F40 embodies an exotic. Bare bone, all business, exotic materials; purpose built race car. | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 10 Registered: 5-2002 |
Who means the new GT40? If it gets produced (I know, they say its gonna happen) I'd call it exotic, but for some they will need to check out build quality and interior before labeling it. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
New member Username: Glassman Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2002 |
My God, How could I have left the GT40 off the list. Could there yet be others? | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 170 Registered: 2-2001 |
Would throw a couple of old-school hometeam cars in the exotic pile, too. Cheetah, Scarab, Cobra, GT40 and Grand Sport Vette, to name a few. The current Viper sort of emotes the spirit of these cars in term of rawness and purity of purpose. It's fairly rare, looks pretty nutty, and has enough torque and grip to put a lot of the generally accepted exotics on the trailer (counting valves and cams?). It gets my vote. The upcoming re-design, on the other hand, while sure to get down the road okay, left a lot of the original's design equities on the table in favor of a more mainstream aesthetic and so doesn't get the exotic nod, IMO. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
New member Username: Glassman Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2002 |
Here is the list of what the term Exotic means. Anything Ferrari Anything Lamborgini Anything Maserati ( Before 1960 ) Any thing called Zagato Anything with the initials: asa osca Anything containing one or a combination of the following: Boano - Abarth- Cistalia Anything that cost $5000.00 when new, and is now worth a million bucks. Oh ya, and don't forget the Supra. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1131 Registered: 6-2001 |
I agree with matt. What about those obscure exotics like theones made by italdesign, the isdera commendatore, and all the rest? | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Junior Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 119 Registered: 3-2001 |
In my opinion....if anyone cares....in order for a car to be considered an exotic it must pass several criteria. Most have been listed on this thread, but how about performance. The Dodge website says "8.0-liter V10 engine that pounds out 450 horsepower at 5,200 rpm and 490 pound-feet of torque at 3,700 rpm." Im sorry, but that is all you can do with 8.0 liters????? That is not exotic! That is sorry technology. I MAY BE A BIT JADED, BUT IF A NORMALLY ASPIRATED MOTOR DOES NOT PUT OUT 100 PLUS HP PER LITER, THAN IT IS NOT CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY, THUS PRECLUDING IT FROM THE CLASSIFICATION OF EXOTIC. Im not bashing vipers, this applies to all high end sports cars. Exotic sportscars are few and far between. While I am rambling....I think the Porsche engineers have engineered the passion out of the car. Same goes for BMW. WAIVER...I do not like the way the following sounds. Bottom line, I think that the subjective term 'exotic', is directly related to ones purchasing power. No dis meant to anyone. | ||
| Steve Hanis (Steve_hanis)
New member Username: Steve_hanis Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2002 |
This is fairly exotic. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1836558804 | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 291 Registered: 2-2002 |
Leave it to Tenney to be the Frank Parker of Amphicars :-) You forgot to mention that the Amphicar in Miami Vice was really a 512 BBI made to look like an Amphicar. The point I was making with the post is that trying to get universal agreement on what is exotic is fruitless because, ultimately, personal feelings and prejudices rule. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 168 Registered: 2-2001 |
Good one, Bill. Though believe that it may be the lowly Dino version of Amphicar (named after founder Larry Amphicar's two-headed goat). And so not an exotic. FYI: In the pamphlet included in my Amphicar windbreaker, it claims that Larry Amphicar stated that true Amphicars sported yellow umbrellas and the one in the photo is green. | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 290 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here's my idea of an exotic car. It's German, was built in small quantities, had unique engineering features and causes people to stop in their tracks when it goes by.  | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 417 Registered: 3-2002 |
Modman--that's awesome-looking. People didn't touch it because they were probably afraid of the guy who they imagined driving it!! Kidding. I would consider Vipers exotic. There's a tendency to automatically discount anything American. What about Porsche? There I think you'd have to say no, except maybe for the Turbo and the GT2. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 462 Registered: 10-2001 |
Of course a Viper is an exotic. Fast, limited production, looks unique, gets the blood rushing, limited practicality... Even if it does say 'Dodge'. | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2002 |
No offense taken Ernesto. Of any Viper owners you ever meet, I am the least affected by anyone�s comments. I bought the Viper for me, but I am interested in the opinions of the Ferrari crowd, good or bad. More to topic, the all aluminum V10, 335 wheels and limited production of the Viper is noteworthy to say the least. But there�s still that Dodge badge on the back. LOL | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1128 Registered: 6-2001 |
Whenever i think "exotic" the first thing that comes to mind is a Countach (or diablo). | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 459 Registered: 10-2001 |
An exotic, to me: Must be limited production (no Corvettes) Must have advanced engineering (no Triumph TR 7's or Bricklins), Must have an emotional component (All Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc). Is a Saab Sonet 'exotic'? No. Most/all P cars - no. How about my Lotus Europa? On the Lotus list, many owners say yes, many say no. Considering is was more $ than a Vette when new and is still sucessfully raced today. I consider it an exotic myself but it could be debateable. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 269 Registered: 10-2001 |
The New Ford F40 is the next Exotic that I can't wait to see just driving down the street. Are Cobras exotics? | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Junior Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 167 Registered: 1-2002 |
To be exotic, it has to be a car with few compromises plus be rare. Ferraris qualify, although the 456A is iffy. Lambos qualify. McLaren would be top exotic. NSX qualifies. Viper qualifies (uncompromising beast that is the epitomy of American love of cubic inches) Z8 does not qualify, it's fast, but basically it is a retro car like prowlers in my mind. Corvettes, like lots of cars, may have exotic performance but is just a car. Dave | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 127 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've always considered the Corvette as a nice looking muscle car. The Viper and the Saleen S7 are more of an exotic if your looking at American cars. Porsche has exotic car performance. I would consider it as an entry level exotic.. (too many on the road) | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 428 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was referring to the way it is put together.. sorry, did not realize you were a viper owner. Didn't mean to insult your ride. I am glad it puts a smile on your face.. Ernesto | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2002 |
"Put the Viper on a lift and look at it from underneath. Then tell me if it is an exotic or not... Ernesto" Judging from the responses on this board underneath isn�t a requirement. I wouldn�t know what to look for anyway. No matter. If being raw dethrones its �Exotic� status that�s fine with me. It wins in enough performance and style categories to keep a smile on my face. Just as a Ferrari or Lambo would. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 299 Registered: 11-2001 |
The Z8, to me, is more a high performance luxury coupe. The Viper, Vett, and Porsche have exotic performance. To me the Viper is the only one that comes closest to exotic looks so it just barely makes it. Porsche did build a true exotic, first was the 959 and, does anyone remember the 911-GT1? This was the car that won Le Mans and the FIA World Sports Car Championships beating the then dominant McLaren F1. There had to be a certain amount of road car made to be classified as a sports car. Mercedes also built one, the CLK-GTR, this car completely destroyed the competion in the FIA World Sports Car Championship, including the Porsche 911-GT1, and McLaren F1. However they couldn't seem to grab Lemans, radical new aerodynamics caused the cars to lift off, and after one car finally took off 40 feet into the air, did three complete flips and crashed in the forest, they pulled the plug and completely withdrew during the second attempt. Bugatti is definantly an exotic. How ever there is a tuner that took the EB110 and improved on it. The guy says that he has seen 400kmh!!! on the autoban. Oh Yeah, I just want to let you guys know that it sure is great to be so close to Beverly Hills. All you have to do is drive around and you can see just about any car in a show room window. I have seen a real 595, two Bugatti EB110's, three of the new Lamborgini Murcielago's, the 1997 Ferrari F1 car, yessss all in the show room windows. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Junior Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 126 Registered: 5-2002 |
The white Testarossa from Miami Vice was a real Ferrari.. They used a replica for most of the major stunts.. According to a old Popular Mechanics issue, the replica stunt car was a Pantera withe the new italian skin.. The engine was equipped w/nitrous as well..I have the issue, but it's somewhere in storage... Any car that goes above 170mph and has no limiter and wears tire sizes above 265 in the rear and the cost too high for the mortal man (or woman) is an exotic.. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 2272 Registered: 5-2001 |
If your heart beat jumps 40 beats when you see it, it is an exotic. other question: What makes an "exotic dancer" exotic? Can not be the price tag ($10) but I am not sure about the "red botton"  | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 427 Registered: 2-2001 |
Put the Viper on a lift and look at it from underneath. Then tell me if it is an exotic or not... Ernesto | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 289 Registered: 2-2002 |
The Daytona Spider in Miami Vice was a Corvette chassised replica. Ferrari then realized the publicity benefit and gave them a real white Testarossa to use. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Junior Member Username: Ross Post Number: 123 Registered: 3-2002 |
ken; i would actually say the z8 is exotic. very few will be made, they are bloody expensive and they will become classics. in general though i agree with jack, you know when you are looking at an exotic car - stunning visuals backed up with performance. modman; i had a similar experience a couple years ago which i still get a kick out of. my wife and i went to france for a long weekend in the 512tr. we arrived in nancy and stopped in front of the big hotel on the main square. i went in to check-in and verify where the parking lot was, and when i came back outside, the car was surrounded by about a dozen men looking all over everything. at first i was a bit concerned but they were harmless. they politely backed up when i went to open the door and just waited till i started the engine. as i drove off to the parking lot, my wife said she did not like the car anymore. i was pretty surprised and asked why not, and she said that it was the first time in her life that a dozen men crowded around a car she was in and not one of them wanted to see her, just the car ! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 309 Registered: 12-2001 |
I think the Viper counts. I don't think the BMW Z8 does. The Z8 is too much of a luxury car and I think to be exotic you have to be a sports car first and foremost. If you do consider the Z8 an exotic, would you also consider the Bentley Continental T or SC? Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus,Porsche 959, NSX, DeTomaso(pantera or manugusta) all count in my book. In what category would you guys place the Pagani Zonda, Bugatti EB110 and Cizeta Moroder V16? Would you consider these to be exotic or hyper-exotic? | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2002 |
"Viper an exotic? I dont think so... Ernesto" I suppose the Dodge badge discredits it? LOL | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Junior Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2002 |
Firstly, the white car in miami vice was not a real F car, it was a stock car made to look like one. I'd say the first Porsche 911 Turbo's are exotics due to rarity and bedroom wall poster dreams of their era (I wouldn't include 964, 993 or 996 shapes). I'd also include the 959, pretty damn rare and expensive. Agree with others the Lambo seems about the most exotic BMW Z8 can't make my mind up, they are rare and quite expensive, but look a bit too production engineered for me. Maybe the BMW M1 a more likely candidate? | ||
| Edward Gault (Irfgt)
Intermediate Member Username: Irfgt Post Number: 1488 Registered: 2-2001 |
If a Poster of it is available at Wal-Mart, it qualifies. | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Junior Member Username: Modman Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2001 |
 You know an exotic car when people on the freeway are taking pictures of your car while you are driving. I was by Pier 39 just last Sunday for a nice drive by the bay in San Francisco and everyone that was walking on the sidewalk was shocked and just paid no attention at anything else that they were doing but to just look at the car turning their heads like the girl in the exorcist. I parked my car in public parking and when I came back to the car at the end of the day the car was untouched. I believe that when you see an exotic car you would admire it and look at it and not mess with it like most would think. I think most would get paranoid about leaving their car in the open but hey we drive our cars in the real world and if something happens then it happens. Why own a car that you are afraid of driving in the public open. At first for me it was too much attention then I got used to it and knew how to cope with it but I must say the majority of attention was very pleasing and I must say very pleasing, no regrets on this purchase... been putting some good miles on this and no problems at all.. fun.. just hate doing U turns in it though. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 426 Registered: 2-2001 |
Viper an exotic? I dont think so... Ernesto | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
New member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bob, You might have been looking at Autozotica, a club here in Northern California. The 911 turbo's are not considered exotic as too many were produced. 928S is. All Ferraris, Vipers and NSX's. The older DeTomaso's and BMW's would be cheaper than the Viper but you are right, it is probably the least expensive modern exotic. Address is: http://www.autozotica.com/az_main/az_qualifies.htm | ||
| Bob McDunn (94nsx)
New member Username: 94nsx Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2002 |
Just last week a found a site (actually my wife did) listing the cars considered exotic sold in the US. I remember there were 12 total, the Ferrari's were of course on there and I know the 911TT (or whatever number it is now), the NSX, and the Viper were on there, and the Corvette was not. BTW the Viper was mentioned as the least expensive exotic on the list. I searched and searched, but can't find the site again. Grrrr | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 267 Registered: 10-2001 |
I would argue that an exotic car is any car that stirs the mind of a teenage boy, and it has to be expensive and in low production numbers. Corvette has exotic preformance but they are common. Viper is a true exotic... Many posters hung in teenage boys rooms...plus you don't see one on the street everyday. Ken- your idea that it has to be hand made... I don't agree. That just means it could be a historic car... or they don't make enough to recover the cost of tooling up a robotic production line. NSX are built by hand, but are credited for being Exotics because F1's Greatest driver of modern times (Sena) set the thing up on the test track so well that it became know as the car that finaly made Ferrari wake up in 1991 and get their act together... no longer being able to rest on their past reputaion. Lambo is the most Exotic of all cars. Always will be. Exotic means im-practical in this sences. BMW's Z8 is Exotic on the boarder line. But the new BMW W-Roadster (MST-Wiesmann) is currently my favorite exotic. (and it has some historic classical lines for the old-timers.) Most importantly... if a car is a star in a movie or TV show.. it could be an exotic. Your 308 in Magnuim PI got plenty of fan mail. But James Bond made more people by the Loutus Esprit then any other movie. The Lotus is a very cool exotic with that wedge shape... but James Bond appeal also lives with any one that dirves one of these fantisy cars, and dares to dream for just a minute that he is Bond! Or Better Yet...Miami Vice's Sunny Crocket in his white TR on a warm summer night, taking a sweeping turn under the full moon on an empty Miami road.. heading for the beach. Now that is Exotic! | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 428 Registered: 10-2001 |
A BMW M1 or Z8 are the only Bimmers that I would consider exotic. Lamborghini and Ferrari just by thier very nature only produce exotics. It's hard for me to lable any Porsche as an exotic. I'm iffy on calling a Viper an exotic... | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Junior Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yes. | ||
| Chuck Babel (Chuck_98_rt10)
New member Username: Chuck_98_rt10 Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2002 |
Would any of you consider a Viper an exotic? Just curious. Flame if you want, it won't bother me. | ||
| Jack (Gilles27)
Member Username: Gilles27 Post Number: 413 Registered: 3-2002 |
Exclusive cars need that "x" factor to be considered exotic. Basically, if you have to ask, the answer is probably no. It's like having to ask if a woman is beautiful. You just look at her and know. A high price is usually just a byproduct of the features that make an exotic what it is. I know BMW builds great cars, and a lot of people love them, but I can never look at one and think "exotic". The closest they came was with the M1. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Junior Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2002 |
An exotic car is a car that requires the owner/driver to make accomodations to the car in order that the driving experience be in accordance with the intent of the vehicle. No, the red starter button doesn't count (Z8). Yes, the major service of the Ferraris does! | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Junior Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2002 |
How do members of Fchat define what an exotic car is? I ask this question because last night on TV someone referred to a BMW Z8 as an exotic car due to its price. To me, the Z8 (or any BMW) does not come close to being an exotic car despite its large price tag. For me, an exotic has to be hand made, limited production, flashy (a car everyone points at and wants), and probably Ialian. My 308 QV fits nicely into this catagory. What do others think? |