| Author | Message | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Junior Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 235 Registered: 8-2001 |
They are nice. I stand corrected - they are Ferraris. Dave | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 442 Registered: 10-2001 |
Front engine 12's   | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 167 Registered: 5-2002 |
It's a 250 from the PF coupe I posted earlier.There is nothing like the sound of a 250. The plugs are there follow from the distributor through the tube and look inbetween the exhaust. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Junior Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 231 Registered: 8-2001 |
They are still Enzo 400s and Enzo 412s, but I can still admire them. LOL. Good luck on the 348. Bad grounds cause so many problems. However, the 10 minutes seems odd - normally a bad ground would not cause a time delay, especially a consistant one. Is there any part that is affected by heat? Dave | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 54 Registered: 5-2002 |
beautiful engine bruno...what car? where are the plugs? Frank, I already have apologized for the mistake of saying that Pininfarina did not design the 400-412... I should have known better, and I apologize again. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Junior Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 229 Registered: 8-2001 |
Nice, impressive engine. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 163 Registered: 5-2002 |
a 12 cylinder  | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Junior Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 226 Registered: 8-2001 |
Actually the car in the photo looks good, but not as nice as a 348 or 360. Ok, it is an Enzo 365, Enzo 400, and Enzo 412. LOL, Dave | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 994 Registered: 9-2001 |
Coachi, you DID say the 400/412 were not Pininfarina designs though . And they ARE, albeit not the best looking in most peoples opinion. I had a 1977 400GT 5 speed with the six two barrell Webers and I loved it. It had room for me and my whole family to cruise around. It had the dual AC that kept the interior cool even in hot Georgia summers. I was the second owner of mine. The first owner was Al Garthwaite of ALGAR who used it as his daily driver for years. | ||
| michelangelo pinto (Michelangelonyc)
New member Username: Michelangelonyc Post Number: 30 Registered: 2-2002 |
our 69' 365gt 2+2  | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2002 |
and someone once told me that this statement is attributed to Mr. Ferrari himself: " I make them fast, and I make them beautiful, what more do you want?" I am sure this is far from an accurate quote, but thought it is worth mentioning. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 51 Registered: 5-2002 |
I did not say the 400 or 412 were not Ferraris. I simply said they did not appeal to me because of the way they looked. I suspect that Ferrari was competing with someone when they designed the 365GTB 2+2, the 400 and the 412. Of course, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The 412 I owned, I beheld for 2 months and couldn't really love it. It smelled right, and had lots of power,but what made me fall in love with the cars in the first place is their unique shape. Let's face it, when you first fall in love with a Ferrari, you see it, you've heard about it, and its mechanical merits is not why it is love at first sight. I passed up hundreds of $ in offers to sell my cars in the late eightees and I still have them, minus a lot of bucks. But the love is still there, day in and day out; and oh yes, the aggrevation of not being able to find someone close by to work on them. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Junior Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 223 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ferrari is known for their beautiful cars. Some of the early front engined V-12 cars are ugly. Hence they are NOT Ferraris. Makes as much sense as the Dino arguments. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Junior Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2002 |
James, That letter is great! | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
New member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2002 |
The picture of Enzo contributed by Terry reminded me of a letter that a friend sent to Enzo (1979) informing him that I owned a Ferrari (she was a bit outspoken, one might say). Enzo actually responded, sending a post card in reply, signed in purple ink (thereby validating the signature). In addition, he had Gilles Villeneuve sign the card (he must have been in Maranello at the time). I thought I would scan and add this card to your discussion on 12 cylinder horses. Jim Selevan   | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 993 Registered: 9-2001 |
COACHI, THE 365GT4B 2+2 SERIES INCLUDING THE 400 AND 412 WERE PININFARINA DESIGNS. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
New member Username: Coachi Post Number: 50 Registered: 5-2002 |
Frank, the 400 series was in my opinion the ugliest Ferraris ever built... and I owned a 412 (87 model, salmon color/tan interior..s/n 65455) with 4500 miles, sold it. It drove like a Ferrari, almost sounded like a Ferrari, two small seats in the back big enough to put a briefcase on... but it was not a PininFarina design.. just did not look right. Of course, I miss it, even though it was ugly. I don't mean to offend anyone..but that salmon pink color grew on me...and I can probably buy it back for 1/2 of what i sold it for in 1988. That car was not federalized, to my knowledge.. The car's production was 1986 of course, for European delivery, but was sold here in 1987. | ||
| RM Valher (Rmv)
Junior Member Username: Rmv Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2002 |
Im only young (23) yet I seriously love the Ferrari models from the 50s and 60s (including Daytona: just scrapes in age wise!). I would be seriously happy with a 250 PF Coupe, 330 GTC 2+2, and/or 250GTE 2+2 in the garage, I just love them (their style, vintage, the era from which they come and all the connotations surrounding this fact) and that they are 'affordable' (everything is relative of course) makes them even more attractive to me. Hell I may even own of these models one day when I graduate and begin practice. I get rather depressed when I hear of 250GTE's getting mutilated to become nasty looking 250 GTO replicas. You cant top the original IMO, so why bother? I hate the replica market, (including Ford GT40's, Shelby Cobras, Jag C and D types etc). Why can't people appreciate an original 250 GTE for what it is, a classic Ferrari in its own right??? Makes me MAD. Sorry for the rant, just love my old, ORIGINAL cars I'm afraid. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
New member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2002 |
I agree that the PF coupe is very underrated. I owned one in the old days and was very impressed at how easily the engine revved. This car is also very conservative in it's styling. It always has reminded me of the 1956-57 Mark II Continental. Nice, clean lines with very little chrome. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 154 Registered: 5-2002 |
I think so. What a historic 12 cylinder bang for the buck. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
New member Username: Glassman Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2002 |
The 250 GT PF Coupe is the greatest all time Ferrari sleeper. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
New member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2002 |
My 330 GTC is very easy to drive and is easy to maintain. It makes all the right noises and the engine, leather, exhaust smells are worth the money themselves. Seriously, these cars can be driven regularly and are comfortable enough with air conditioning to be used whenever the urge strikes. The 330 is a great all around car and is still fairly affordable. It is conservatively styled and does not cause a lot of attention on the road. I don't feel like I am on display when I am in it. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
New member Username: Arlie Post Number: 33 Registered: 5-2002 |
And there we see Enzo grilling a German Shepherd that he discovered to be a spy dog for Porsche. After weeks of reprogramming, the dog was turned into a double agent and returned to the Porshe factory supplying Ferrari with valuable information for years to come. | ||
| Terry Daniel (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2001 |
I do not own a classic Ferrari, or any Ferrari for that matter, but I will. I would love to own a 1965 330 GT 2+2 Interem (4 headlight with 5 speed gear box). The latest issue of "Classic and Sports car" did an article about the 10 most affordable Ferraris. Some of the great v-12 cars that where in the list were 330 GT 2+2, 365 gt 2+2, 365 gt4 2+2 and 400i. The reason I love the 330 so much is you can get a front engined V-12, hand built car that Enzo himself had a hand in building and in fact drove all for the price of a 308. The problem is with the "Interem" cars there were only 125 made and a lot of 2+2 are made into replica GTOs so finding one will be my biggest issue once the money is secured.  | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2002 |
What else is neat about the Older v-12 Ferraris etc is the vin numbers. I am sure we all know Ferrari used odd vins for production cars and even vins for race cars. That would make the 250 I posted with vin #1943 about production car number 971. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 143 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well if it worked you should be looking at a pic of a PF coupe s/n#1943gt.and a 66 Duetto and a 58 2000 all garage QUEENS. If anyone wants to get into any engine pics etc on PF coupe I will shoot em and post em.  | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 142 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well if it worked you should be looking at a pic of a PF coupe s/n#1943gt.and a 66 Duetto and a 58 2000 all garage QUEENS. If anyone wants to get into any engine pics etc on PF coupe I will shoot em and post em.  | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 990 Registered: 9-2001 |
Coachi, the 365GTC4, 365GT4 2+2, 400A, 400GT,400iA, 400iGT, 412A and 412GT were all front engined V12s made after the Daytona but prior to Enzo's death. But, I agree, there's nothing like the sound of a V12 with Webers ! | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 141 Registered: 5-2002 |
Also,Yes Rob,Great ideal for thread. | ||
| bruno bandaras (Originalsinner)
Junior Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 140 Registered: 5-2002 |
The 250 PF coupe. While not as sporty as other 250's it has a racing heritage to die for.And currently at give away prices.Will post pic of it.Having trouble uploading pics&docs. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
New member Username: Coachi Post Number: 47 Registered: 5-2002 |
Rob Lay suggested that I start a new thread...on older Ferraris...the ones produced while Enzo was still alive. I have owned and still own 2 Daytonas, 1 Boxer and one Testarossa, and I consider them unique, much more reasonable in price compared to the new Ferraris. The Daytona was the last frontengined car built during Enzo's life. It is so exciting just to look at the engine and to listen to those 6 webers playing their music. Yes, they lack creature comforts, but are powerful and at today's prices, a bargain. As for the boxer, still priced under 100K, it is a smooth midengined flat 12, especially when fuel injected. I love driving it in the evenings when the sun doesn't beam on you through the big front windshield. As for the Testarossa, what a bargain. I have had mine having paid 125 K for it then, won't part with it.. it is so easy to drive, comfortable, still very modern looking and a head turner. Give me those any time. Yes I would love to hear from you guys who have 275 GTB's, Lussos, etc... Let's talk. |