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TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 904
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 8:26 am: | |
I think I saw that one too, good luck with it, let us know how the tubi sounds |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 28
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 7:33 am: | |
I bought it through an Illinois Ferrari dealer, who had it on consignment. The car was at the dealership. Just sent the check. The car should arrive this Friday. |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 902
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 6:02 am: | |
henreyk. Did you get yours from MA? |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 27
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 8:07 pm: | |
Whart: While my newly aquired BBi has the DOT/EPA certifications, a previous owner took it all off. It is now all European, even with the side fender lights, and bumpers, etc. It even has Tubi exhausts, and headers. Where I live I don't have to take emmision tests; can I get in trouble? It does come with a valid Michigan title. |
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart
Post Number: 373
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 8:00 pm: | |
Agreed, i had a BBi and took the same view. But aren't some of these cars old enough now to be exempt under the same regulations? And, if so, wouldn't you prefer the unaltered car? (i don't want to foster misinformation here, but i think the issue is worth researching, unless somebody knows i'm wrong) |
Henryk (Henryk)
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Username: Henryk
Post Number: 26
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 6:33 pm: | |
Bill: My BBi comes with EPA/DOT releases. I would not have even considered the car without these. |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
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Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 310
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 1:17 pm: | |
It seems that a lot of Boxers that are for sale now have had the federal bumpers and side marker lights removed. Apparently they figure that after xx years they can get away with it, although they probably have proper paperwork, and maybe that's all that's necessary. It sounds like the car Tom is talking about lacks that all-important paperwork. |
wm hart (Whart)
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Username: Whart
Post Number: 371
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:54 pm: | |
Actually, i would prefer the nonfederalized car, without the side markers and the sometimes cumbersome bumper extensions. the trick is to make it legal. Leaving aside emissions compliance in calif., the best route would seem to be to make sure the car qualifies as exempt. You might call •••• Merritt at DOT for some insight, •••• Fritz, etc. You will have to do some leg work, but it might be worth it. |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 894
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:38 pm: | |
no your right, I am not going to consider the car until/if they get the papers sorted out. Just thought it was an interesting situation and wanted to hear other peoples thoughts |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
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Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 309
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:33 pm: | |
TomD:
This sounds like a lot more trouble than it's worth. Henryk just bought what looks like a beautiful 512 Bb1 from Continental this past weekend. He said that it was like new. You may have seen his post about it. The one at Exotic looks pretty good too. Is the price on the non-federalized car too good to pass up? |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 892
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:29 pm: | |
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ross koller (Ross)
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Username: Ross
Post Number: 144
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 12:26 pm: | |
if the car is a 74, or indeed anything younger than 77, then you can 'import' it into the usa without dot or epa. 25 year old, or older, cars are allowed in without anything done. just did it in january with a '77 930 turbo. |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 889
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 10:10 am: | |
William, you are correct , my point of discussion was the car never went through DOT or EPA - meaning it probably was black market. now they want to make it grey. I just found it interesting |
William Huber (Solipsist)
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Username: Solipsist
Post Number: 284
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 10:07 am: | |
I remember reading in FORZA that all Boxers are grey market cars. Even cars that were sold in the US. They still needed to be converted for DOT/EPA. I'll find the article to post more later. On buying this car, I believe the issue is only with late model Ferraris only. (360,355,575,etc...) Good luck. |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 888
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 10:05 am: | |
my understanding is they don't even have DOT. |
David Feinberg (Fastradio2)
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Username: Fastradio2
Post Number: 67
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 9:57 am: | |
Tom,
Considering the age of the vehicle, who really cares anymore...and what state/local governing body would even know what to look for? Sure, technically it could be impounded...as could all the other cars of that vintage that do not have functioning smog/saftey equipment. NY does check emissions, but not on a 74 vehicle...
I too live in a very strict state, and have never in 20 years had any problem getting my full Euro 365BB through inspection. When I first registed the car here, the State checked the car over because of its short VIN number...and deemed it to be legal fo use here in NY.
In the gray maret era, it was possible to bring ars over from Europe using a one-time exemption for personal use...and supposedly only had to comply with DOT (not EPA) rules...
FWIW...
David |
TomD (Tifosi)
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Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 886
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 8:42 am: | |
In my search for a boxer I came across an interesting car. An authorized dealer has an unconverted boxer. They claim they can still get all the conversions and paper work done - I have always heard that unless it is already converted no "new" ones can be converted? i.e what boxers are here are the only ones that will ever be in the US. I mentioned to them the car could technically be impounded and they are probably violating a law by advertising it for sale. Also interesting is the PO had registered the car in a fairly strict state - no not California. furthermore the dealer (sales guy)says they only found out it was not converted after they bought it from the PO. Wierd story |