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Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Junior Member
Username: Ernie
Post Number: 168
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 1:12 pm: | |
Ken lets us know what you get. |
Peter B. (Gts308qv)
Junior Member
Username: Gts308qv
Post Number: 177
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 4:14 am: | |
The best Ferrari for 60K is the one that apeals to YOU the most, not what a lot of FC members (like me) want to suggest ! We can keep giving you suggestions, but YOU tell us what model sends your heart racing and your wallet in perspective.
My choice is a 512BB in terms of performance and looks. If you are after a softer option, then the TR's are more comfortable on a daily driver basis as well as being good value for $ these days as TR prices are very reasonable. |
Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Junior Member
Username: Solly
Post Number: 210
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 1:22 pm: | |
The Dino 246 is a hell of a lot of fun, and not expensive to maintain if you find one with a complete service history (no belts to change, easy to do routine stuff yourself). However, it is underpowered compared to your current 308, but handles better in the turns if you put on a set of 16" wheels.
Good coupes can be found for 50-60k. Spiders are 20-30k more. I personally think this is the most fun Ferrari to drive on a regular basis.
The 36 GTC is one of my all time favorites, and it does share an engine with the Daytona (although side-draft carbs instead of downdraft), and I'm not sure if it makes the Daytona's horsepower. It is also heavier, and considered more of a touring car. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 229
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2002 - 9:54 am: | |
A boxer will cost a fortune to keep running. The 30k service is very, very expensive. In today's market, 60k will get a 91, 92 348ts, a driver, not a concours car, but one that you can have a lot of fun with. |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
New member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 8
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 01, 2002 - 6:49 am: | |
You might want to checkout the article on the Boxer in Sports Car International this month. Sounds like the late model cars are pretty cool. |
Tenney (Tenney)
Junior Member
Username: Tenney
Post Number: 84
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:14 pm: | |
My pick would be the Boxer. A 330 GTC might be a cool old-school choice for similar money. |
wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 3:32 pm: | |
I would absolutely love to have a 308 with some more modern turbo technology in it, so that you have the handling and tossability of the little car, but with some serious grunt. However, every time i've talked to somebody about doing one like that, i'm led to believe that it will create a hand grenade. But the concept:- a poor man's 288 GTO, is wonderful. |
David Jones (Dave)
Junior Member
Username: Dave
Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 3:27 pm: | |
Re-sleeve and stroke your 308 to 4liters and add twin turbos if you want more power...
I have seen a handfull of very well built 308's that will tear up a stock 355 on the track.
Although 5liters of 12banger under your ass has a kind of ring to it that no other engine can match.
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Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 1532
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 3:08 pm: | |
I can get you a 348 Spider for $ 69.000 with 18K Miles red/tan, super nice car, 15K done!
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david a haney (David512bb)
New member
Username: David512bb
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 2:25 pm: | |
If a 512BB can be found in your price range, I think you should give it strong consideration. I am given to understand that there are only about 35 or 40 BB's in the states. I think they are as reliable as any and mine sure is very fast. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 654
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 2:07 pm: | |
I was just going by the manual on my 1994 348 Spider which recommends timing belt change every 52,500 miles or 3 years. |
Don Vollum (Donv)
New member
Username: Donv
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 1:50 pm: | |
Or a good 365GTC/4, if you're in the mood for something more classic. |
BobD (Bobd)
Member
Username: Bobd
Post Number: 252
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 1:13 pm: | |
Your choice?
Mint/late 328.
Early 348 Coupe.
Worn Boxer.
Tired TR.
Good Mondial T. |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 195
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 1:02 pm: | |
Ken;
I'm not sure if the timing belts on a 348 last only three years. I've been told that they should be replaced every 6 years regardless of the mileage, and every 30k when mileage counts.
I'm sure that the Boxer will be more expensive to maintain, and not as fast over the road. |
BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member
Username: Bretm
Post Number: 1771
Registered: 2-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 12:58 pm: | |
If I were in that market I would get a TR. I think a 12 would be cool as a compliment to the 308. |
Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member
Username: Parkerfe
Post Number: 652
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:30 am: | |
Scott, be sure you count those two years of storage toward the timing belts life span of 3 years or so. Even though the car was not driven, the timing belt still got older. |
Scott Grossman (Sngsmgaolcom)
New member
Username: Sngsmgaolcom
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 10:48 am: | |
I picked up my 1990 TR 2 weeks ago for under 60K. Its got 31K miles and is in excellent shape. It was stored for 2 years, but even after having all the fluids changed out, and all the service done, I still came out under 60K (The timing belts/major service was done/documented just before the car was stored).
I did shop around for almost a year before finding/buying this car.
HTH
Scott |
Carl Gustaf Landin (Gustaf)
New member
Username: Gustaf
Post Number: 24
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 9:10 am: | |
If you could compromise on the performance maybe a Dino 246 GT/S would be a viable option. In Europe you can find nice and well maintained examples for 60k not sure about the States though. Otherwise I'd go with Mr. Hart's recommednation. I personally would go for the injection model since it would probably be more reliable. |
Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
New member
Username: Wsawyer
Post Number: 6
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 8:56 am: | |
A very good 328 might be the best bet from a value/maintenance/performance standpoint. Winston Goodfellow said good things about late model 348's in Forza, but the maintenance costs are high. The Testarossa provides the most performance for the buck, if you like the style and size.
It all comes down to which car you like. Ask ten people and you'll get ten different opinions. |
wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 87
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 8:52 am: | |
Some interesting suggestions; i also thought about the gtc/4 which is underpriced. Its a big cruiser, though. Art Chambers, re: your comment on the Boxers, did you have a bad experience with one? The injected car i had was actually more reliable than either the 348 or a 550 Maranello i had.
The suggestion of a late 328 is also interesting; its prices have been rising. However, i had one of those, too, and it just didn't have enought grunt for me. It is, in some ways, the better design, compared to the 348, but the 348 will definitely outrun, if not outhandle, it.
Frankly, out of all the cars just mentioned (and i have owned the 328,348 and boxer, among others), i'd have the boxer. But, as i indicated, you have to get a good straight car, with good history and be prepared to "fettle" it (as the Brits say) if that has not been done (and at 60k, that is unlikely). Enjoy. |
Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member
Username: Davel
Post Number: 83
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 8:36 am: | |
I will go against the grain here and get a late 89 328 with the ABS. This car is straight and not as expensive to maintain as the 348 and is solid and the values on them seem to be holding well versus the 348 which seem to be falling. The car is not afflicted with the TR grate styling ques and is more classic in its lines. Prices seem to be 50-60k depending on color and mileage of course. You will not find a great deal of increase in cost for servicing over the 308 4 valve either. Good luck |
Richelson (Richelson)
Member
Username: Richelson
Post Number: 478
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 8:25 am: | |
I would think a boxer would be a good choice. It resembles a 308 too. Plus, I never see boxers that much. I think they are great cars. I am not sure about the service cost on parts etc. I imagine it is about the same as a TR but maybe a little less. Any boxer owners that could elaborate on this? |
Carl Gustaf Landin (Gustaf)
New member
Username: Gustaf
Post Number: 23
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 8:21 am: | |
If I were you I'd be different and go for the 365 GTC/4, the daytona's sister car. You get the same enigne (and sound) as well as the same underpinnings as its more famous sibling. I'm not sure about the performance figures but I'm guessing it can keep up with a 308. The main difference is its huge torque advantage. I would guess that these beauties are priced around 60k.
What ever you pick I'm sure you will have a blast, it usually turns out that way when Ferraris are concerned. |
89TCab (Jmg)
Junior Member
Username: Jmg
Post Number: 162
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 11:13 pm: | |
Mondial T out for sure? Lots of room with 348 power (albeit heavier) and certainly below your price range... |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Junior Member
Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 121
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 11:10 pm: | |
348. You probably won't find a spider for 60 and under but you should be able to get a nice TS or coupe(I love the looks of the coupe). As everyone has said have it checked out. If you are just looking for more power you could dump the 60K into the 308 and really have some fun with it!
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Chris Richardson (Boozy)
Junior Member
Username: Boozy
Post Number: 56
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 10:55 pm: | |
It depends on your criteria, what are you looking for in a Ferrari? The only thing you mentioned is power, if that's the most important thing spend a little more on a TR. My money would be best spent on a 348 with that budget limitation. You could probably get an older 348 coupe for around 40-50,000 and put 10-17,000 into cams, timing, exhaust, valves, and ignition upgrades and approach 400hp. Plus I LOVE the looks of the 348. |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Junior Member
Username: Ernie
Post Number: 153
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 10:38 pm: | |
The 348 is one of the highest to maintain. I know first hand. But I still am happy I have it. The TR is about the same in costs to keep up as the 348. I have fun in mine, it isn't the fastest car on the road, but it is quick enough to keep up with the big dogs. Top speed is rated at 170 mph, and I have had mine up to 140 mph, ran out of straight road. That and the tires weren't in the best condition. Also it started to get squirley around 130 mph, but I am told that can be corrected. You can pick up a TR for just a few thousand more than 348. It is more powerful and faster, but not as nimble. All though the tail can get happy in the 348. If you go with the TR look for the ones with lug nuts, they are the ones that started getting the upgrades, as was told me by my mechanic. In my opinion you can't got wrong with either, but I would have to lean a bit toward the TR. What ever car you pick, make sure you have all the records and then still have it checked out by a Ferrari Pro. Good Luck |
arthur chambers (Art355)
Junior Member
Username: Art355
Post Number: 189
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 9:52 pm: | |
There is no question: a 348. For 60K you should be able to get a 92 which has almost all of the improvements (except the wider rear track) with a tubi.
The Boxer will be nothing but trouble and money.
Art |
wm hart (Whart)
Junior Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 9:24 pm: | |
I've had a boxer(injected) and a 348 spider. The boxer was a great car, massive torque, cool looks funky mix of old and new. The 348 was a spirited drive, nowhere near the ommph of a 12, but lithe, had non-powered steering, which i love, and no real mechanical problems (there were a few electrical quirks, but i've had those in far less exotic cars,too). Never owned a TR.
Don't think you'll see a 348 spider for 60k;more likely an early coupe or ts; the early cars had some teething problems. The later ones (speciales) and the spiders were much better.You may find some boxers in your price range, but at the lower end of the market, i would be real careful. The car will likely need big service, new shocks, etc., so getting it road worthy may cost you.
There are enough of these cars around that you should be able to get to drive them, although, as you may know, first impressions are not always accurate with these cars, until you get used to driving them. That was particularly true with the boxer, but since you have a 308, your're probably already used to the semi-reclining driving position required for that car. |
Ken Ross (Kdross)
New member
Username: Kdross
Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 8:39 pm: | |
I currently own a 1985 308 QV and plan to get another car shortly. With a budget of $60K max (I will need more money for repairs), what is the best bang for the buck Ferrari? My biggest complaint of the 308 is the lack of power. The three cars that I am considering are the 348, 512 Boxer (carb version), or a TR. My biggest concern of the TR are the maintenance costs. Paying $10K for the 30K mile service really is not for me. Can anyone comment on these cars or offer other suggestions. TIA. |